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Bummer.
I wish all the stuff about "Jin/Junta being so obsessed with Akin/Takato in the anime and harasses him and becomes sexually assaultive and would like to f*ck Akin/Takato all the time (even without consensus) that he becomes “insatiable” for him" would have been left in the adaptation.

I'm beyond sick of everything being cleaned up to ivory-white purity for the 2025 NeoPuritan crowd who believe only rosy-pink, sickly-sweet human behaviors should be allowed on screen. Well guess what? This adaptation wasn't cleaned up enough for at least two commenters below who discussed how there are "multiple sexual assaults" ( I kid you not.) in the first two episodes.

I like transgressive human behaviors in my dramas and movies. I like rough edges and dark corners. They're what makes the lily-white, rosy-pink stuff stand out by comparison. Contrast, you know?

Oh well, never mind...sounds like you're a NeoPuritan yourself, so I'll not waste any more time for either of us.

hahahaha...omg...

I'm sorry, I know you are in earnest with your comment, but it made me laugh.
I thought I was clearly being WAY over-the-top in my descriptions of the "sexual assaults" I list above so that people who read them would know I was MOCKING the MDLers here who see EVERYTHING as "sexual assault!!!!!!!" unless both parties (or three, or whatever) have prior, signed, written, binding contracts in effect at the time anyone touches anyone else. :D

The NeoPuritans here watch shows they claim to find questionable, sniffing desperately for something/anything to call "SEXUAL ASSAULT!!!!" so they can go screeching into comments and proclaim their self-righteous outrage for all to see and thus score further NeoPuritan Club membership points.

I totally agree with what you wrote above. I found Jin's kiss and Akin's unconscious throwing of his arms around Jin to be romantic and touching, no assaults involved. However, at least two commenters below earlier alluded to multiple "sexual assaults" in "the first two episodes." I kid you not. Look for yourself.

My smartass comment above was written for them.

I'm tempted to keep arguing, but I'm trying to cut back on discussions with people who are only looking to have their assumptions confirmed.

Repeating from above:
Our perceptions of reality in general are quite different (ooh! sounds just like this show if it had good writers!), thus I'll not be engaging further.

Have a lovely day or evening or morning, depending on your location.

hahaha...

Regarding the part about me saying you "like JH because he's hot," a rough paraphrase to be generous, you left out the bit where I said "Of course I could be wrong."

I laughed my way through most of your list. As I mentioned earlier, you either invent stuff out of thin air, or put a hilariously biased spin on everything JH does...in pursuit of your crush, I assume. That's not my privilege to know.

Your and my perceptions of reality are quite different (ooh! sounds just like this show if it had good writers!), thus I'll not be engaging further.

Well, yeah...duh. It would be nice if they gave us some context before angel wings start appearing out of nowhere in the first episode. lol Wouldn't it have made sense to WAIT until after the insatiable angel remark has been made?

I'm looking forward to finding out what "insatiable angel" is all about. ;)

The commenter above wrote "in the first 2 episodes..." I've seen the first and recall nothing related to, let alone "romanticizing" sexual assault.

This is, once again, where the term "sexual assault" is used so frequently and loosely that it is beginning to mean nothing at all.

There you go again. You don't know what actually happened in any of the shared, remembered experiences. You have been shown two perspectives, and you've chosen to believe that JH's memories are the "real" ones.

Are you saying that JH said one thing on the phone with his buddy from the bar, and that MJ, who was ten feet away, misheard ALL of it, or as I've suggested, hallucinated all of it? Why do you choose to believe that JH's flashback memories are "correct?"

If the intention of the writers/director is that we first saw MJ's recollections of occurrences and then the "actual" occurrences (as opposed to JH's recollections), can you lay out for me where and how that is made clear for us in the script?

Perhaps JH WAS "toying with" MJ. Perhaps JH got caught and was mystified by MJ's disappearance because he's not used to getting caught.

Do you disagree that in the first 2 or 3 eps, JH was arrogant and cavalier in his attitude upon showing back up in MJ's life? He ambushed MJ eight years later, then stood there smirking through their first several conversations. Is that how you present yourself when hoping to re-engage with someone who "hurt" you but whom you are still in love?

That's another case in which the direction and writing is either confusing or actively misleading. There is no mistaking his attitude there, unless we are to believe that JH didn't really act that way and we were seeing only MJ's perceptions of how he acted. lol Where does it end?


Anyway, whatever the writers/director MEANT to convey is hopelessly obscured by their lack of skill in actually conveying it.

"In the kindest way possible, I think you're projecting."

Right back atchya.

What "cultural" thing? The wedding photo arrangement? You think that only applies to Korea? Please be specific in your references.

I'm going to ask again: What makes you so sure that the flashbacks are unbiased representations of what "actually" happened, and not representations of JH's flawed memories? Because they are shorter in length? Nah... And how do you know what is "baked into" the show?

Note to the wise: Words like "literally" and phrases like "We just don't," are NOT supporting evidence. :D

I'm reading a lot of arrogance from you, and condescension to boot. Plus, the passive-aggressive insults in statements such as "I just actually see both perspectives (meaning that I do not, of course)."

If what you have to offer in this conversation is basically "Regardless of what you write, I know what you think," don't bother me further.

I just finished the first episode and am about to start the second.
Curious: What did you see in that first ep that you felt "romanticized sexual assault?"

Episode 1: Somebody please get that dude's hair out of his eyes. Use bobby pins if he won't cut it.

It's been a long time since I've seen a mullet haircut, and it's not a good thing. There's a reason they went out of style. Regarding those front bangs...why work so hard to produce tears when the viewers can't see them anyway? How do people stand having that hair right IN their eyes anyway? The hair was moving with his eyelashes.

That said, this is the first time in nearly two years I've made it through the first episode of a Thai BL without dropping it.
Great production values.
Jin comes off as mentally challenged.
How does an actor this green and untalented get cast in a major drama production, opposite a huge star? That was not explained.
The best parts were the side characters (NOT the screaming queen gay stereotype manager duo) such as the director, the asst. director, the nasty soft drink CEO, etc., and their hilarious little remarks, all under-acted and low-key, which made them all the funnier. Loved the back and forth between the director and the CEO when the CEO kept interjecting. lol
As long as Thai BLs keep using shameless product placements, I have to admire the willingness of this show to mock the practice within the script. And good on the product company for going along with it.
I laughed out loud at the placement of the soft drink machine in a forest in the middle of nowhere. It would have to have its own solar panels somewhere. :)

Again...when Thai BLs include obviously gay side-characters and trans actors, why is there the continued impulse to present them as silly stereotypes, instead of as real people with individual personalities that aren't straight out of a homophobe's playbook? That poor guy in the horrendously over-the-top magenta eye makeup, complete with little rhinestones glued to his face! Then, he smiled and the braces! God help us. Regardless, I laughed despite myself when the management duo prayed to the little god of something or other on the dashboard. I admire the willingness to poke fun at colorful Thai religious traditions without seeming to demean them.

And wtf? with the CGI angel wings in the cops-in-the-rain scene near the end? lol
Oh, and continuity error: Did anyone else notice it was raining in the long shots but not in the closeups during the slip/fall catch? :D

OK...on to episode 2.

You missed or misunderstood my point.
Never mind.

"...it's weird because i'm reminded that the people that you argue/disagree with on the Internet are actual people and have real lives and real jobs that they do every day."

What's weird...? So do I. People who don't like my opinions often throw this canard around but the truth is, how long does it really take to sign in, reply to comments or replies, and sign back out? Half an hour, max? Ten minutes sometimes? You made clear you don't like what I have to say; it's no surprise you're lobbing another passive-aggressive insult my way. Rest assured, nothing you say is going to shut me the f**k up.

I don't consider your questions about my work invasive, whatsoever. I'm hesitating to share a link to my art with you because the MDL Little Girls, Church Lady Prudes, and the rest of the NeoPuritan brigade are likely to descend upon me outside of MDL. I don't want that. You can understand why.

Oh gosh, look! It's taken me seven minutes to write this. I'd better sign out quick so no one here thinks I spend all my time here. lol

How do you know anything about the people who argue with me? You don't. I think a lot of them are high school and college students, who have plenty of free time.

Pffft..pot calls kettle black.

https://kisskh.do/Drama/Business-as-Usual?id=10449&q=true

What does "being reversed" mean?

I just checked out Top Form and moved it to my "currently watching" list. I'll dive in tonight. I hope it's good. I enjoy getting lost in a nice binge-watch.

I am enjoying our discussion too.

I'm not disagreeing that the second versions of events we are seeing are NOT what really happened, but if the first version is MJ's, doesn't it follow that the second version is JH's? If the second versions are what "really" happened, then the writers/director have taken sides in equating JH's perceptions with "reality."

I will take a look at Top Form. I do not outright refuse to watch ANY Thai shows, it's just that so many have been distasteful and badly done over the last three years that I found it not worth my time to check each one out, especially since 429 Thai BLs come off their assembly line every week.

Two days ago I watched a wonderful new Thai film on Netflix, called "Let's Make Millions Before Grandma Dies." It stars Billkin, of ITSAY and IPYTM fame and he is great in the part. Nice to see him further growing in his career. But he is far from the only good thing about the movie. I highly recommend the film.

Exactly...what?

"They both liked the other. They were both crazy nervous and both ended up hurt but we're expecting one person to somehow overcome that fear and hurt to ensure theyre doing and saying the perfect thing when they just want to make sure the other person is okay."

Seriously? You see JH and MH on the same psychological/emotional plain? If so, there's not any point in our engaging further because a major premise of the story is different for each of us.

I'm not "expecting" JH to do or say or be anything other than what I see on the screen. You're defensiveness regarding the character is telling. I don't "like" one more than the other, but I see and hear what I see and hear. Of course, perhaps, as in the series, our perceptions of so different as to render this discussion pointless.

I'll repeat from my last reply:
"I think you're going out of your way to rationalize JH's behavior. I think you like his character better than MJ, and thus are making excuses for him. I could be wrong, of course."

Maybe it's as simple as you finding JH more attractive than MJ. That often skews our perspective. I'll repeat another thing: I am not making excuses for MJ's behaviors. He is extremely insecure and that is exhausting for an intimate partner to deal with. And yet, we have JH pursuing him over and over and over. How many times has MJ had his say and walked away? And how many times has JH pursued him and re-engaged?

This discussion has me leaning toward the theory that JH is an emotional sadist who enjoys playing games with someone like MJ as his Pawn. There are a lot of people like that around.

"They were never going to stand together in the wedding photos because of this.'

lol Sure, if you say so.

I think you're going out of your way to rationalize JH's behavior. I think you like his character better than MJ, and thus are making excuses for him. I could be wrong, of course.

I disagree.

HBO's hugely popular and successful series "White Lotus," recently featured an incestuous make-out scene between two BROTHERS.
A new and popular feature film out of Hollywood, which is a sequel to another hugely successful film, "Another Simple Favor," features an extended sex scene between two-thirds of a set of triplet SISTERS.

Seems like someone not only DARED to make an incest movie, but at least two someones DID make an incest movie.

Seems it IS possible now, despite the tiny but loud-mouthed Neo-Puritans on the Internet.