"The close-to-amateur acting and line delivery are standard Thai BL too."The boys are doing an okay job, I guess.…
This applies to any series or movie from any country: The acting has to be a lot better than "okay" for me to give the show my time.
I can think of a few adult Thai BL actors who did well, but other than them, you're absolutely correct. In most cases they portray parents of young men discovered to be gay, then spend the entire show over-acting.
There is a currently-airing Japanese BL called "Hidamari ga Kikoeru," in which one of the lead's grandfather is played beautifully by an established, well-known, elderly actor I respect. I know because I've seen him in a good number of fine feature films and he is always spot-on with his portrayals. I was happy to see him in "Hidamari ga Kikoeru."
I took note of his presence in the BL for the precise reasons you mention above. You see almost no BLs featuring established, older actors. The gay factor may scare some of them away, the salaries they command may be out of the BL production's reach; it's possible most of them don't even know about BLs. It's easy as a BL fan to forget how much of a niche audience we are.
Meh. The stakes never felt high enough one way or the other, so I didn't much care what happened to Maoi. Unless I missed something, it DID become what the ML saw it as, a college/corporate networking organization. It became so large that it was the opposite of "secret" or "exclusive" in any way. In just three years? wtf? lol
I had high hopes about midway, when it looked as if it might take a dark, interesting turn, but then the story lost its nerve and went all gooey and preachy.
The happy-talk ending was forced. I was thinking more along the lines of him setting off a bomb at a Maoi networking event. THAT would have been interesting. Alas, it was not meant to be.
Then, there was that bizarre incident in the first half, where that man assaulted and chased that girl through a crowd of people who knew her, and no one lifted a finger to help. Weird.
Any currently airing good korean BLs or already aired ones ?
No, but there is a currently airing Japanese gay-themed series called "Happy of the End." It is profoundly original, gritty, well-directed, well-acted, and well-produced. Many aspects of it are downright cinematic. Its look and settings are REAL, making it easy to fall into the universe of the story.
Happy of the End has an MDL page. You can watch the show at the link below.
Is "Seoul Blues" a PARODY of assembly-line BL writing?
There is nothing in this story we have not seen a zillion times before in other BLs. Not only that, but the way in which the cliches are delivered is not a tad bit original.
It's as though SUKFILM is deliberately f**king with us by presenting a hackneyed plot, characters, and dialogue with every BL trope in the BL book as if it was an original story. The only thing original about Seoul Blues is the thumb drive it's saved on.
Hey SUKFILM! Do you guys get together after each episode release for drinks and laugh at us for watching your mockery of BL? I actually wouldn't blame you. Mission accomplished!
This is among the laziest BL writing I've seen. Did the SUKFILM writing crew assemble and binge every BL from 2016 to now, keep track of tropes and cliches, then check each one off as they repeated it in their script? Did they do this, not once, but THREE times? And then try to entice viewers to pay for 45 additional seconds of kissing or shirtlessness?
Even with the presence of Ohm, this is far too Thai-styled for me. The incessant background musical cues: Bombastic/melodramatic for action scenes, cutesy/peppy for when something sweet or amusing is supposedly happening, schmaltzy/cheesy for anything romantic, etc. Thai BL makers seem to think the audience lacks the ability to have the desired feelings in reaction to action and dialogue onscreen. They think they have to tell us how to feel with constant musical intrusions. Annoying.
The close-to-amateur acting and line delivery are standard Thai BL too. As are the unrealistically pristine sets, props, costumes, everything. Oh, and the hair is always just-so. Everything looks synthetic even with fake blood flying around. Oh, and the actors are very often far too young and pretty to be playing the characters we're to believe them to be. This gives the production a high-school theatre vibe.
Also, cliche after cliche on top of endless tropes.
I'll just google Ohm for shirtless pics when I'm in the mood. No need to sit through this.
Dropped. Naturally, this has an insanely inflated MDL rating. lol What else is new?
You're the one spouting "nonsense." The MC romance was developing, then disappeared midway as if their kiss and…
YOU got "old" a long time ago.
No better way to emphasize a fool's foolishness than by quoting their (your) own foolish words back to them. That my doing so irritates you is unsurprising.
"...we are all laughing..." It's cute that you imagine yourself the head cheerleader of a massive group known as "WE." Does doing so make you feel less insignificant and lonely?
You keep mentioning my degrees. I'm guessing you have none and are envious. lol
You're the one spouting "nonsense." The MC romance was developing, then disappeared midway as if their kiss and…
I'm beginning to suspect you have serious mental issues. You flung insults/"mud" from your first comment after this episode. Now mostly you whine about being insulted. You're losing it.
"just remember, when you fling mud...blah blah blah..." lol And now you're reduced to platitudes which apply more to you than anyone in this conversation.
You've also become so unhinged you're unable to read. I never said my arguments were "complex," you dunce. That was YOU, explaining to me how my degrees failed to prepare me to deal with the glorious complexity of YOUR intricate critiques of the oh-so-layered artistry of this complex script. You've got so much mud flying in the form of insults and inanities that you've lost track of whose it is...YOURS.
"It’s almost like you think IF YOU TALK DOWN TO PEOPLE ENOUGH, no one will notice what a nincompoop, dullard, ding bat, numskull you are." Wow. hahaha Imagine YOU, the queen of talking down to people, denouncing me for her own primary characteristic as a commenter; then proceeding with an extended list of the kind of insults she's accusing me of, times ten. Projecting much?
Google "SUPERCILIOUS' again and behold your photograph at the top of the definition. (By the way, you really should have that big, black, hairy mole on your upper lip looked at...)
"So, by all means, continue with the petty name-calling and over-inflated sense of superiority. But don't mistake the volume of your wordsfor the value of your input." MORE projection and nutjob floundering: YOU have been name-calling everyone who disagrees with you from your first comment after this episode until right now. Does this ring a bell?: "What's wrong with all these comments dumping on this "masterpiece"? You can't stand a Japanese BL being labeled a "masterpiece" without all your cliche nonsense." That's YOU insulting everyone on the thread with your first, post-ep 11 comment." lol
YOU are the supercilious shrieker here, baby. Pop a Xanax.
And finally, at long last, it resorts to the lamest insult on the Internet: "TROLL!" Dear god, how will I survive the pain? No response to that sad act of desperation needed. Call 911. You're in the midst of a psychotic break.
Why mentioning Nanon he has nothing to do with this project.
"OMG" Is that some kind of argument?
Why do you think I'm trying to "help" Ohm in any way whatsoever? What an odd thing to say.
Ohm doesn't want or need my help. My expressions of opinion do not affect Ohm as an actor or a person, and I don't fantasize that they do. Neither do yours.
Probably because they are still part of the same family and in some areas, blood or not, this would be frowned…
I know all of that, and I'm asking WHY it would be "frowned upon and a societal no-no." People accept far too many unwarranted, downright dumb, societal rigidities without challenging them with the simple question, "why?" "Why" is enough to bring most holders of such views to a dead-stop. They end up saying something along the lines of "because that's the way it is."
You're the one spouting "nonsense." The MC romance was developing, then disappeared midway as if their kiss and…
Oh dear, was your one brain cell hurt by my vicious "insults," you poor thing? I love when MDLers whine about the agony of being insulted after having hurled more than their own fair share back in the other direction. Are you ok?
Of course, adaptations "reference" their source, but there is zero requirement that they reproduce them on screen exactly as they are drawn and written. Adaptations are often merely "based on" the original source. From what I've read here in comments, this one varies widely in tone and specifics from the Manga, yet you're predicting what will happen next in the series based on the source. Lame.
Nothing you've written describes anything "complex." Your arguments on behalf of this show you inexplicably, passionately defend as something it is nowhere near being, are as simple as cellophane. Ultra-thin and entirely transparent.
Why mentioning Nanon he has nothing to do with this project.
How is that a mystery? He starred with Ohm in one of the most overrated and juvenile BLs of all time, Butt Buddy, I mean Bad Buddy. Nanon and the series were terrible. Ohm was the only good thing about it.
Thank goodness he has "nothing to do with this project."
we don’t know if there will be cheating. Dae Young may be delayed in reacting because of shock or something.…
"Eating," "speaking," "walking," "talking" are neutral, non-judgemental descriptions of human activity. "Cheating" is a loaded, negative, and judgemental term. Surely, even though you insist on using it, you would admit to that. It's the desperate need to pass judgement and denounce the person the term is aimed at that gives away the game here.
You're doing far more with that word than merely describing "an action," and you know it. The proper term for describing the action we've seen to this point would be "kissing," not "cheating," which is a value judgement.
As I've said, the most bogus thing about what you're doing is that you would use the same word to describe a one or two-time kiss and a multi-year affair involving emotional attachment and tons of full-on sexual activity of all kinds. Both scenarios are "cheating," correct. Nuance be damned. It's silly.
OK, well, you're bound and determined to keep using your pet descriptor so I won't argue further. I've made my point.
I've only watched the first seven minutes of the first episode, and already it's clear this is the best thing out of Thailand in years. Savvy director wasted no time getting Ohm's shirt off...in under four minutes, I believe. Smart work.
Ohm is aging beautifully, just as I knew he would. It's nice to see him looking more and more facially masculine with maturity. A big plus for this series is that Nanon is nowhere in sight, so he won't be able to drag Ohm down with him.
Holding off to watch the rest of 1 and all of 2 tomorrow. Just wanted to say it's nice to be interested in a Thai show for the first time in almost three years. Maybe it will all go to hell in the first episode's next ten minutes, but for now I'm hopeful.
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I can think of a few adult Thai BL actors who did well, but other than them, you're absolutely correct. In most cases they portray parents of young men discovered to be gay, then spend the entire show over-acting.
There is a currently-airing Japanese BL called "Hidamari ga Kikoeru," in which one of the lead's grandfather is played beautifully by an established, well-known, elderly actor I respect. I know because I've seen him in a good number of fine feature films and he is always spot-on with his portrayals. I was happy to see him in "Hidamari ga Kikoeru."
I took note of his presence in the BL for the precise reasons you mention above. You see almost no BLs featuring established, older actors. The gay factor may scare some of them away, the salaries they command may be out of the BL production's reach; it's possible most of them don't even know about BLs. It's easy as a BL fan to forget how much of a niche audience we are.
I had high hopes about midway, when it looked as if it might take a dark, interesting turn, but then the story lost its nerve and went all gooey and preachy.
The happy-talk ending was forced. I was thinking more along the lines of him setting off a bomb at a Maoi networking event. THAT would have been interesting. Alas, it was not meant to be.
Then, there was that bizarre incident in the first half, where that man assaulted and chased that girl through a crowd of people who knew her, and no one lifted a finger to help. Weird.
Pretty bad.
4/10
Happy of the End has an MDL page. You can watch the show at the link below.
There is nothing in this story we have not seen a zillion times before in other BLs. Not only that, but the way in which the cliches are delivered is not a tad bit original.
It's as though SUKFILM is deliberately f**king with us by presenting a hackneyed plot, characters, and dialogue with every BL trope in the BL book as if it was an original story. The only thing original about Seoul Blues is the thumb drive it's saved on.
Hey SUKFILM! Do you guys get together after each episode release for drinks and laugh at us for watching your mockery of BL? I actually wouldn't blame you. Mission accomplished!
This is among the laziest BL writing I've seen. Did the SUKFILM writing crew assemble and binge every BL from 2016 to now, keep track of tropes and cliches, then check each one off as they repeated it in their script? Did they do this, not once, but THREE times? And then try to entice viewers to pay for 45 additional seconds of kissing or shirtlessness?
Why yes, yes they did. Lame.
Even with the presence of Ohm, this is far too Thai-styled for me.
The incessant background musical cues: Bombastic/melodramatic for action scenes, cutesy/peppy for when something sweet or amusing is supposedly happening, schmaltzy/cheesy for anything romantic, etc. Thai BL makers seem to think the audience lacks the ability to have the desired feelings in reaction to action and dialogue onscreen. They think they have to tell us how to feel with constant musical intrusions. Annoying.
The close-to-amateur acting and line delivery are standard Thai BL too. As are the unrealistically pristine sets, props, costumes, everything. Oh, and the hair is always just-so. Everything looks synthetic even with fake blood flying around. Oh, and the actors are very often far too young and pretty to be playing the characters we're to believe them to be. This gives the production a high-school theatre vibe.
Also, cliche after cliche on top of endless tropes.
I'll just google Ohm for shirtless pics when I'm in the mood. No need to sit through this.
Dropped. Naturally, this has an insanely inflated MDL rating. lol What else is new?
No better way to emphasize a fool's foolishness than by quoting their (your) own foolish words back to them. That my doing so irritates you is unsurprising.
"...we are all laughing..." It's cute that you imagine yourself the head cheerleader of a massive group known as "WE." Does doing so make you feel less insignificant and lonely?
You keep mentioning my degrees. I'm guessing you have none and are envious. lol
"just remember, when you fling mud...blah blah blah..." lol And now you're reduced to platitudes which apply more to you than anyone in this conversation.
You've also become so unhinged you're unable to read. I never said my arguments were "complex," you dunce. That was YOU, explaining to me how my degrees failed to prepare me to deal with the glorious complexity of YOUR intricate critiques of the oh-so-layered artistry of this complex script. You've got so much mud flying in the form of insults and inanities that you've lost track of whose it is...YOURS.
"It’s almost like you think IF YOU TALK DOWN TO PEOPLE ENOUGH, no one will notice what a nincompoop, dullard, ding bat, numskull you are." Wow. hahaha Imagine YOU, the queen of talking down to people, denouncing me for her own primary characteristic as a commenter; then proceeding with an extended list of the kind of insults she's accusing me of, times ten. Projecting much?
Google "SUPERCILIOUS' again and behold your photograph at the top of the definition. (By the way, you really should have that big, black, hairy mole on your upper lip looked at...)
"So, by all means, continue with the petty name-calling and over-inflated sense of superiority. But don't mistake the volume of your wordsfor the value of your input." MORE projection and nutjob floundering: YOU have been name-calling everyone who disagrees with you from your first comment after this episode until right now. Does this ring a bell?: "What's wrong with all these comments dumping on this "masterpiece"? You can't stand a Japanese BL being labeled a "masterpiece" without all your cliche nonsense." That's YOU insulting everyone on the thread with your first, post-ep 11 comment." lol
YOU are the supercilious shrieker here, baby. Pop a Xanax.
And finally, at long last, it resorts to the lamest insult on the Internet: "TROLL!" Dear god, how will I survive the pain? No response to that sad act of desperation needed. Call 911. You're in the midst of a psychotic break.
Why do you think I'm trying to "help" Ohm in any way whatsoever? What an odd thing to say.
Ohm doesn't want or need my help. My expressions of opinion do not affect Ohm as an actor or a person, and I don't fantasize that they do. Neither do yours.
Of course, adaptations "reference" their source, but there is zero requirement that they reproduce them on screen exactly as they are drawn and written. Adaptations are often merely "based on" the original source. From what I've read here in comments, this one varies widely in tone and specifics from the Manga, yet you're predicting what will happen next in the series based on the source. Lame.
Nothing you've written describes anything "complex." Your arguments on behalf of this show you inexplicably, passionately defend as something it is nowhere near being, are as simple as cellophane. Ultra-thin and entirely transparent.
Let it go, One-Cell.
Thank goodness he has "nothing to do with this project."
You're doing far more with that word than merely describing "an action," and you know it. The proper term for describing the action we've seen to this point would be "kissing," not "cheating," which is a value judgement.
As I've said, the most bogus thing about what you're doing is that you would use the same word to describe a one or two-time kiss and a multi-year affair involving emotional attachment and tons of full-on sexual activity of all kinds. Both scenarios are "cheating," correct. Nuance be damned. It's silly.
OK, well, you're bound and determined to keep using your pet descriptor so I won't argue further. I've made my point.
Ohm is aging beautifully, just as I knew he would. It's nice to see him looking more and more facially masculine with maturity. A big plus for this series is that Nanon is nowhere in sight, so he won't be able to drag Ohm down with him.
Holding off to watch the rest of 1 and all of 2 tomorrow. Just wanted to say it's nice to be interested in a Thai show for the first time in almost three years. Maybe it will all go to hell in the first episode's next ten minutes, but for now I'm hopeful.