8.6/10 is insanely high for this poorly-written show.
Clearly, the 16-year-old American girls who dominate MDL are deliberately up-rating it because they see in comments how many of us recognize it for it what it is: A first promising, then disappointing, and ultimately cowardly, piece of soulless fluff. This is, of course, the exact description of what these Little Girls (LGs) love the most: cute boys with their genitals and sex drives removed so as not to frighten them. They are also seemingly fond of sloppy writing.
Accordingly, once this series has aired in its entirety, I will down-rate it to offset at least one of the LGs' inflated ratings. I urge others to do the same. I have long wished MDL were set to disallow ratings until after a show has finished running. The alternative, which is to allow giving an overall rating without seeing the overall content, which we have now, makes no sense. It encourages fangirls to rate a show up or down according to their sexual fears, social/cultural agendas, and hive-minded biases as it is running, to deliberately boost or lower its viewership numbers.
Over my time here, I slowly became aware that an MDL BL rating is an inverse indicator of a show's quality. The higher it is, the worse the show. The lower it is, the better the show. I suppose, in an ass-backwards way, that system does allow me make use of the rating after all.
Just say you don't have taste ,if you don't understand how good this is, It's rare we get such a well made adaptation…
Yikes. You're a real nut job.
I'm pretty sure there's no ass f**king in this show. It's downright disturbing how you equate kissing/hugging with ass-f**king, as if it's all on the same level. There are gradations to physical intimacy and a lot of territory between a kiss and a bone in the butt.
I don't expect you to grasp that though. You're pathetically scared of anything physical/sexual between two humans. Were you severely molested as a child and haven't recovered? If you want to heal, it would be more effective to see a shrink than to act out your neuroses here in comments.
Seriously? Last Twilight? At least Sunspot isn't ableist inspiration porn where ableist parental abuse is swept…
..."ableist inspiration porn..."
How does highlighting discrimination and abuse of a disabled person, revealing it and all of its ugliness against a backdrop of hope for a better future, constitute "inspiration porn?" Were you moved to go abuse someone in a wheelchair? Did you experience an uplifting feeling and it pissed you off? What?
Try watching again with your political/social agenda tucked away somewhere out of sight.
Wow. Yeah, I just read the first two chapters of the Manga online. A faithful adaptation would have to be 18+ and from what you say, it's only going to get much more dark and sexual as I read. I can't imagine how an adaptation of this material could be called a "BL." "Gay/Murder/Violence-themed" would be more accurate.
"Dangerous Drugs of Sex" was pretty damn graphic. Perhaps this could be done along similar lines. I guess we'll see. I hope it happens. I love this kind of twisted intensity.
"However he committed an offence for which he is being punished - adequate or not, we don't know but can hope that it will help him reform for the better."
The first half of this statement suggests that we should accept as legitimate whatever lunatic injustice is dished out to us by law enforcement agencies, which is the opposite of what we should do. For instance, I know from direct experience and a lot of research that the American police force, in every state and county, is riddled with bigoted, lazy, uneducated assholes. Police stations are more like boys' clubs than professional operations. They hide/destroy evidence, make up other evidence, and very often don't even know the specifics of the laws they are charged with enforcing.
This corruption and ineptitude persists up the ladder to prosecutors and judges, and all of this is the same in Korea, if not far worse. There are absurd aspects of Korean policing that are even worse than here in America. Cops and prosecutors pick and choose cases based on how they might promote or hurt their opportunities for advancement, rather than on their merits. I believe Yoo was treated far worse because he is a major star, and bagging a conviction against him is something the morons in law enforcement can blow their own horns about.
The second part of your statement is worse than the first. It is 2024, not 1950. We know from decades of experience, research, and case data that incarceration/punishment does nothing to help or rehabilitate the addict. Addicts need mandatory TREATMENT and services, not punishment. Throwing them in jail only makes their illness worse and that manifests itself after they are released back into society. Also, incarceration has been shown as entirely ineffective as a deterrent to other drug users or as a way of preventing the addict from using again.
Furthermore, his drug use was facilitated by doctors/pushers who are being let off the hook much more easily than Yoo, who is their victim. It's all ass-backwards. They administered the drugs and charged him $$$ for it. They are the ones who should be getting prison terms, not Yoo.
I said, this is 2024. Your idiocy is in stating the easily refutable lie that the punishment he was dealt will in any way help him to "reform." I don't like your use of that term either. Sick people are not in need of "reform," which implies a judgement on their moral character; they are in need of medical and psychiatric care.
For all of the above reasons, you earned the label "idiot." Wear it proudly.
Not worth the hype imo. Everything goes quite smoothly in a very predictable way that there is almost no tension…
That's quite a generalization, to put all K movies in the same box as overhyped and shallow. Are you suggesting producers are having secret meetings in which they agree to make only shitty movies, no matter the genre? Why would they do that?
Plot hole: In the real world, after ONE night time murder of a woman in the rain, all women and everyone else…
I lived in Boston about ten or so years ago when the Boston Marathon Bombing took place that killed and maimed several people at the event. The perpetrators, a pair of brothers from the Middle East, were on the loose for almost three days. The entire city shut down. People didn't go to work. We kept our doors locked 24 hours a day and left outside lights on all night until they were caught.
Plot hole: In the real world, after ONE night time murder of a woman in the rain, all women and everyone else…
After going over your list, I'm struck by how much more interesting the actual murders are than the way they were presented in the film.
Between a bus and home (multiple times) Right in front of her house In her own bedroom
In the film the murders take place on paved or dirt pedestrian paths through wooded areas.
I cannot believe how stupid people are, or were, in the actual case. You've heard there's a killer loose targeting women. You're a woman and you go walking around at night alone even so. Horrible incidents, but I have a hard time working up sympathy when the victim behaves so stupidly.
It's also striking how close in time most of the murders took place.
All this makes me want to watch the film again. As I say in my original comment above, there is much about it I enjoyed. Seems like it would have been more interesting to mix up the locations of the killings more, and to flesh out somehow why these women and girls would be so reckless with their lives. If I were a cop on this case and after several murders women are still walking around at night alone, I'd be screaming bloody murder to the press about it. STAY OFF THE FUCKING STREETS AND NEVER BE ALONE UNTIL WE CATCH THIS BASTARD.
Plot hole: In the real world, after ONE night time murder of a woman in the rain, all women and everyone else…
The women are never warned in the movie. Why would I assume otherwise if that is never shown onscreen? The wife of one of the detectives on the case, who should know better than most, is out walking isolated paths through the forest in the dead of night...alone, after four murders. It's as though they are SEEKING to be stabbed to death. Absurd.
Plot holes can be fixed or explained, which is why the ones that aren't are so annoying. If you're going to have your victims out traipsing through the forest with a serial killer who has already struck FOUR times on the loose, then you need to explain to me somehow why they would do such a thing. Get back in the writers' room and come up with a plausible excuse. Have one of them be so drunk she forgets, or another one have her car break down on a road at night, give me SOMETHING. Or have one of them say, "oh I don't care, I have things to do."
The women weren't portrayed as stupid, or care-free, or oblivious, or unaware. They were just props put out to be murdered to move the plot along. IRL, when there is a killer on the loose and the public knows about it, there is panic and great fear.
And the cops don't want people out and about because additional murders in such a situation makes them look bad. This is why I didn't buy them deliberately falsifying evidence to blame guys they knew to be innocent. What happens after you've jailed him, made all your public announcements and staged your press conferences declaring case closed, and then the real killer strikes AGAIN while the guy you framed sits in jail?
Again, I know good and well there are lots of corrupt, stupid cops but please give me enough information to understand why they act as they do.
This is NOT the best thing out of Thailand in years. You just don't watch enough Thai shows lol also Nanon is…
"The past is in the past."
No dear, bad shows and terrible acting do not disappear, nor should they, after they finish their run. Neither do good ones or all the ones in-between. That's such a clueless thing to say that I have no further response.
I ended up dropping this show. Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if it is STILL the best thing out of Thailand in years. Nothing since "Midnight Chicken" has been worth my time.
Nanon is a one-note, low-charisma actor, completely out of his depth as a romantic leading man in Butt Buddy. The writers made it even more absurd by repeatedly implying his character was the standard, Thai cliche "top" to Ohm's "bottom." lol, I don't think so.
The only show he excels in is "My Dear Loser: Edge of 17." He is hysterically funny and well-cast as the desperate, clueless nerd suggested in the title. Since then, in leading roles...ugh.
He IS however, an impressive rapper. I stumbled across a multi-performer, Thai awards show video on YT in which he sang and rapped. The singing was bad, but man, he rapped at a mile a minute. I was impressed. That's not easy to do.
I see from his MDL profile portrait that his agency is attempting to restyle and re-market him, though I've no idea as what. It's odd that he is posed in a heavy ski jacket, given that Thailand is one of the hottest, most humid places on Earth.
Plot hole: In the real world, after ONE night time murder of a woman in the rain, all women and everyone else…
I know it is based on an actual case, but "based on" can mean little other than "inspired by." Such movies usually take great latitude with the facts to make the film more thrilling/whatever.
Are you suggesting that in the real-life case on which this is based, women were never warned to stay off the streets at night, and that women were not scared enough or smart enough, to do that of their own accord, even without a warning? Everyone knew the killer was still out there and could strike again at any time.
"The close-to-amateur acting and line delivery are standard Thai BL too."The boys are doing an okay job, I guess.…
This applies to any series or movie from any country: The acting has to be a lot better than "okay" for me to give the show my time.
I can think of a few adult Thai BL actors who did well, but other than them, you're absolutely correct. In most cases they portray parents of young men discovered to be gay, then spend the entire show over-acting.
There is a currently-airing Japanese BL called "Hidamari ga Kikoeru," in which one of the lead's grandfather is played beautifully by an established, well-known, elderly actor I respect. I know because I've seen him in a good number of fine feature films and he is always spot-on with his portrayals. I was happy to see him in "Hidamari ga Kikoeru."
I took note of his presence in the BL for the precise reasons you mention above. You see almost no BLs featuring established, older actors. The gay factor may scare some of them away, the salaries they command may be out of the BL production's reach; it's possible most of them don't even know about BLs. It's easy as a BL fan to forget how much of a niche audience we are.
Meh. The stakes never felt high enough one way or the other, so I didn't much care what happened to Maoi. Unless I missed something, it DID become what the ML saw it as, a college/corporate networking organization. It became so large that it was the opposite of "secret" or "exclusive" in any way. In just three years? wtf? lol
I had high hopes about midway, when it looked as if it might take a dark, interesting turn, but then the story lost its nerve and went all gooey and preachy.
The happy-talk ending was forced. I was thinking more along the lines of him setting off a bomb at a Maoi networking event. THAT would have been interesting. Alas, it was not meant to be.
Then, there was that bizarre incident in the first half, where that man assaulted and chased that girl through a crowd of people who knew her, and no one lifted a finger to help. Weird.
Any currently airing good korean BLs or already aired ones ?
No, but there is a currently airing Japanese gay-themed series called "Happy of the End." It is profoundly original, gritty, well-directed, well-acted, and well-produced. Many aspects of it are downright cinematic. Its look and settings are REAL, making it easy to fall into the universe of the story.
Happy of the End has an MDL page. You can watch the show at the link below.
Is "Seoul Blues" a PARODY of assembly-line BL writing?
There is nothing in this story we have not seen a zillion times before in other BLs. Not only that, but the way in which the cliches are delivered is not a tad bit original.
It's as though SUKFILM is deliberately f**king with us by presenting a hackneyed plot, characters, and dialogue with every BL trope in the BL book as if it was an original story. The only thing original about Seoul Blues is the thumb drive it's saved on.
Hey SUKFILM! Do you guys get together after each episode release for drinks and laugh at us for watching your mockery of BL? I actually wouldn't blame you. Mission accomplished!
This is among the laziest BL writing I've seen. Did the SUKFILM writing crew assemble and binge every BL from 2016 to now, keep track of tropes and cliches, then check each one off as they repeated it in their script? Did they do this, not once, but THREE times? And then try to entice viewers to pay for 45 additional seconds of kissing or shirtlessness?
Even with the presence of Ohm, this is far too Thai-styled for me. The incessant background musical cues: Bombastic/melodramatic for action scenes, cutesy/peppy for when something sweet or amusing is supposedly happening, schmaltzy/cheesy for anything romantic, etc. Thai BL makers seem to think the audience lacks the ability to have the desired feelings in reaction to action and dialogue onscreen. They think they have to tell us how to feel with constant musical intrusions. Annoying.
The close-to-amateur acting and line delivery are standard Thai BL too. As are the unrealistically pristine sets, props, costumes, everything. Oh, and the hair is always just-so. Everything looks synthetic even with fake blood flying around. Oh, and the actors are very often far too young and pretty to be playing the characters we're to believe them to be. This gives the production a high-school theatre vibe.
Also, cliche after cliche on top of endless tropes.
I'll just google Ohm for shirtless pics when I'm in the mood. No need to sit through this.
Dropped. Naturally, this has an insanely inflated MDL rating. lol What else is new?
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Clearly, the 16-year-old American girls who dominate MDL are deliberately up-rating it because they see in comments how many of us recognize it for it what it is: A first promising, then disappointing, and ultimately cowardly, piece of soulless fluff. This is, of course, the exact description of what these Little Girls (LGs) love the most: cute boys with their genitals and sex drives removed so as not to frighten them. They are also seemingly fond of sloppy writing.
Accordingly, once this series has aired in its entirety, I will down-rate it to offset at least one of the LGs' inflated ratings. I urge others to do the same. I have long wished MDL were set to disallow ratings until after a show has finished running. The alternative, which is to allow giving an overall rating without seeing the overall content, which we have now, makes no sense. It encourages fangirls to rate a show up or down according to their sexual fears, social/cultural agendas, and hive-minded biases as it is running, to deliberately boost or lower its viewership numbers.
Over my time here, I slowly became aware that an MDL BL rating is an inverse indicator of a show's quality. The higher it is, the worse the show. The lower it is, the better the show. I suppose, in an ass-backwards way, that system does allow me make use of the rating after all.
I'm pretty sure there's no ass f**king in this show. It's downright disturbing how you equate kissing/hugging with ass-f**king, as if it's all on the same level. There are gradations to physical intimacy and a lot of territory between a kiss and a bone in the butt.
I don't expect you to grasp that though. You're pathetically scared of anything physical/sexual between two humans. Were you severely molested as a child and haven't recovered? If you want to heal, it would be more effective to see a shrink than to act out your neuroses here in comments.
How does highlighting discrimination and abuse of a disabled person, revealing it and all of its ugliness against a backdrop of hope for a better future, constitute "inspiration porn?" Were you moved to go abuse someone in a wheelchair? Did you experience an uplifting feeling and it pissed you off? What?
Try watching again with your political/social agenda tucked away somewhere out of sight.
"Dangerous Drugs of Sex" was pretty damn graphic. Perhaps this could be done along similar lines. I guess we'll see. I hope it happens. I love this kind of twisted intensity.
The first half of this statement suggests that we should accept as legitimate whatever lunatic injustice is dished out to us by law enforcement agencies, which is the opposite of what we should do. For instance, I know from direct experience and a lot of research that the American police force, in every state and county, is riddled with bigoted, lazy, uneducated assholes. Police stations are more like boys' clubs than professional operations. They hide/destroy evidence, make up other evidence, and very often don't even know the specifics of the laws they are charged with enforcing.
This corruption and ineptitude persists up the ladder to prosecutors and judges, and all of this is the same in Korea, if not far worse. There are absurd aspects of Korean policing that are even worse than here in America. Cops and prosecutors pick and choose cases based on how they might promote or hurt their opportunities for advancement, rather than on their merits. I believe Yoo was treated far worse because he is a major star, and bagging a conviction against him is something the morons in law enforcement can blow their own horns about.
The second part of your statement is worse than the first. It is 2024, not 1950. We know from decades of experience, research, and case data that incarceration/punishment does nothing to help or rehabilitate the addict. Addicts need mandatory TREATMENT and services, not punishment. Throwing them in jail only makes their illness worse and that manifests itself after they are released back into society. Also, incarceration has been shown as entirely ineffective as a deterrent to other drug users or as a way of preventing the addict from using again.
Furthermore, his drug use was facilitated by doctors/pushers who are being let off the hook much more easily than Yoo, who is their victim. It's all ass-backwards. They administered the drugs and charged him $$$ for it. They are the ones who should be getting prison terms, not Yoo.
I said, this is 2024. Your idiocy is in stating the easily refutable lie that the punishment he was dealt will in any way help him to "reform." I don't like your use of that term either. Sick people are not in need of "reform," which implies a judgement on their moral character; they are in need of medical and psychiatric care.
For all of the above reasons, you earned the label "idiot." Wear it proudly.
Maybe it's a cultural thing.
Between a bus and home (multiple times)
Right in front of her house
In her own bedroom
In the film the murders take place on paved or dirt pedestrian paths through wooded areas.
I cannot believe how stupid people are, or were, in the actual case. You've heard there's a killer loose targeting women. You're a woman and you go walking around at night alone even so. Horrible incidents, but I have a hard time working up sympathy when the victim behaves so stupidly.
It's also striking how close in time most of the murders took place.
All this makes me want to watch the film again. As I say in my original comment above, there is much about it I enjoyed. Seems like it would have been more interesting to mix up the locations of the killings more, and to flesh out somehow why these women and girls would be so reckless with their lives. If I were a cop on this case and after several murders women are still walking around at night alone, I'd be screaming bloody murder to the press about it. STAY OFF THE FUCKING STREETS AND NEVER BE ALONE UNTIL WE CATCH THIS BASTARD.
Plot holes can be fixed or explained, which is why the ones that aren't are so annoying. If you're going to have your victims out traipsing through the forest with a serial killer who has already struck FOUR times on the loose, then you need to explain to me somehow why they would do such a thing. Get back in the writers' room and come up with a plausible excuse. Have one of them be so drunk she forgets, or another one have her car break down on a road at night, give me SOMETHING. Or have one of them say, "oh I don't care, I have things to do."
The women weren't portrayed as stupid, or care-free, or oblivious, or unaware. They were just props put out to be murdered to move the plot along. IRL, when there is a killer on the loose and the public knows about it, there is panic and great fear.
And the cops don't want people out and about because additional murders in such a situation makes them look bad. This is why I didn't buy them deliberately falsifying evidence to blame guys they knew to be innocent. What happens after you've jailed him, made all your public announcements and staged your press conferences declaring case closed, and then the real killer strikes AGAIN while the guy you framed sits in jail?
Again, I know good and well there are lots of corrupt, stupid cops but please give me enough information to understand why they act as they do.
No dear, bad shows and terrible acting do not disappear, nor should they, after they finish their run. Neither do good ones or all the ones in-between. That's such a clueless thing to say that I have no further response.
I ended up dropping this show. Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if it is STILL the best thing out of Thailand in years. Nothing since "Midnight Chicken" has been worth my time.
Nanon is a one-note, low-charisma actor, completely out of his depth as a romantic leading man in Butt Buddy. The writers made it even more absurd by repeatedly implying his character was the standard, Thai cliche "top" to Ohm's "bottom." lol, I don't think so.
The only show he excels in is "My Dear Loser: Edge of 17." He is hysterically funny and well-cast as the desperate, clueless nerd suggested in the title. Since then, in leading roles...ugh.
He IS however, an impressive rapper. I stumbled across a multi-performer, Thai awards show video on YT in which he sang and rapped. The singing was bad, but man, he rapped at a mile a minute. I was impressed. That's not easy to do.
I see from his MDL profile portrait that his agency is attempting to restyle and re-market him, though I've no idea as what. It's odd that he is posed in a heavy ski jacket, given that Thailand is one of the hottest, most humid places on Earth.
Are you suggesting that in the real-life case on which this is based, women were never warned to stay off the streets at night, and that women were not scared enough or smart enough, to do that of their own accord, even without a warning? Everyone knew the killer was still out there and could strike again at any time.
I find that hard to believe.
I can think of a few adult Thai BL actors who did well, but other than them, you're absolutely correct. In most cases they portray parents of young men discovered to be gay, then spend the entire show over-acting.
There is a currently-airing Japanese BL called "Hidamari ga Kikoeru," in which one of the lead's grandfather is played beautifully by an established, well-known, elderly actor I respect. I know because I've seen him in a good number of fine feature films and he is always spot-on with his portrayals. I was happy to see him in "Hidamari ga Kikoeru."
I took note of his presence in the BL for the precise reasons you mention above. You see almost no BLs featuring established, older actors. The gay factor may scare some of them away, the salaries they command may be out of the BL production's reach; it's possible most of them don't even know about BLs. It's easy as a BL fan to forget how much of a niche audience we are.
I had high hopes about midway, when it looked as if it might take a dark, interesting turn, but then the story lost its nerve and went all gooey and preachy.
The happy-talk ending was forced. I was thinking more along the lines of him setting off a bomb at a Maoi networking event. THAT would have been interesting. Alas, it was not meant to be.
Then, there was that bizarre incident in the first half, where that man assaulted and chased that girl through a crowd of people who knew her, and no one lifted a finger to help. Weird.
Pretty bad.
4/10
Happy of the End has an MDL page. You can watch the show at the link below.
There is nothing in this story we have not seen a zillion times before in other BLs. Not only that, but the way in which the cliches are delivered is not a tad bit original.
It's as though SUKFILM is deliberately f**king with us by presenting a hackneyed plot, characters, and dialogue with every BL trope in the BL book as if it was an original story. The only thing original about Seoul Blues is the thumb drive it's saved on.
Hey SUKFILM! Do you guys get together after each episode release for drinks and laugh at us for watching your mockery of BL? I actually wouldn't blame you. Mission accomplished!
This is among the laziest BL writing I've seen. Did the SUKFILM writing crew assemble and binge every BL from 2016 to now, keep track of tropes and cliches, then check each one off as they repeated it in their script? Did they do this, not once, but THREE times? And then try to entice viewers to pay for 45 additional seconds of kissing or shirtlessness?
Why yes, yes they did. Lame.
Even with the presence of Ohm, this is far too Thai-styled for me.
The incessant background musical cues: Bombastic/melodramatic for action scenes, cutesy/peppy for when something sweet or amusing is supposedly happening, schmaltzy/cheesy for anything romantic, etc. Thai BL makers seem to think the audience lacks the ability to have the desired feelings in reaction to action and dialogue onscreen. They think they have to tell us how to feel with constant musical intrusions. Annoying.
The close-to-amateur acting and line delivery are standard Thai BL too. As are the unrealistically pristine sets, props, costumes, everything. Oh, and the hair is always just-so. Everything looks synthetic even with fake blood flying around. Oh, and the actors are very often far too young and pretty to be playing the characters we're to believe them to be. This gives the production a high-school theatre vibe.
Also, cliche after cliche on top of endless tropes.
I'll just google Ohm for shirtless pics when I'm in the mood. No need to sit through this.
Dropped. Naturally, this has an insanely inflated MDL rating. lol What else is new?