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Yes, it will be nice for him when he gets to the stage of "accepting" his homosexuality. At that point he can let go of the stress of denying to himself what he already feels and knows to be the case, which is not the same as being UNAWARE of those things.

"This drama has portrayed Qian as not interested in romance with females and no attraction to males." Are you saying Qian is Asexual? Are you saying it's not possible he told the young woman investor of his disinterest because he's hiding his homosexuality and doesn't want to complicate things further by faking an attraction to her? Are you saying it's not possible he is fully attracted to men but in the closet?

"So this would be a case of i am not gay i just love you." lol Are you serious? Anyone who says that is a liar, just as Qian will be a liar if he says it to Yuan.

Speaking of Yuan, he is currently, along with Lili, just about the only remotely honest person in this drama. He has asked "why can't I love Qian?" but he has also asked "why can't I like men?" He doesn't feel the need to play the "only gay for YOU" game, which only exists in BLs in the first place.

"...Qian is not narrow minded but not yet Open minded about homosexuality..."

If a person is "not yet open-minded..." then it follow that they are closed/narrow-minded. It's fun to read you all contorting yourself into spastic, figure-eights to come up with excuses for Qian's current state of being closeted. Why is it so difficult to accept that he's fully aware of his feelings for Yuan but not anywhere near ready to accept them, which totally explains his over-reaction to Yuan's confessions?

"Why are you so angry and bitter? "
Why do you think I'm angry and bitter? Because you dislike the points I make? Since we're calling names, however, why are you so lame and stupid?

It's a terrible thing to throw spoilers around. Talk about whatever interviews you want, but put it behind a spoiler if it reveals anything not presented on the screen to that point. This isn't hard to understand.

"Let them tell the story they want to tell us." Am I preventing that? How? You're assuming to know the interior workings of the characters' minds just like I am. Still, you're not willing to admit you have NO WAY of knowing the WHY of Qian's and SP's psychological motivations any better than do I. You like them, they're hot, and so you like to think they couldn't possibly be acting/thinking in ways that can be justifiably criticized.

As for your last statement...hahaha, dear god, you're oblivious. (Oh dear, was that 'angry and bitter?') How can a person be "confused" about their sexuality unless they are AWARE of the various feelings they are having? The confusion emerges from the pressure, as you mentioned, to put themselves in a defined category when they don't have to. That said, the vast majority of humans are gay or straight with some minor overlapping, whether you like it or not.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/389792/lgbt-identification-ticks-up.aspx

You're nuts, but thanks for the self-righteous, prophetical rant. It was entertaining to read. I'm picturing you perched with your gnarly wood-branch staff, robes and wild, silver hair flowing, as you babble at full volume into the empty wind.

It's always telling that your type sees "hatred" where there is none. Acknowledging reality does not require the wasted emotion of hate, but accusing someone who disagrees with you of "hate" is a simple, and lame attempt to discredit what they've said by attributing it to negative emotionalism. Cuts no ice with me.

"Gay vs. straight?" lol, most of the people I know and love are straight. Did you know it's possible to be straight and not at all homophobic? No, really! It is! Projection is a thing, and it's oozing out of your every pore.

Finally, yes, I do like dictionaries. Words have actual meanings, though people like you throw them around as if they mean whatever you want them to mean in the moment.

Oh, oh, oh...how old am I?

"He wants ZY to be straight, but not for the reason that gay is wrong. "

What a sad. desperate rationalization to make. How about a comparison: "He wishes his sister's husband was white instead of black, but not for the reason that there's anything wrong with being black." Does that statement work for you too?

I think you're making the mistake of defending Qian and SP because they're predominantly decent, likable people. LOTS of likable people are bigots. And no, I don't "tolerate" bigotry, no matter who the bigot is. Which doesn't necessarily mean I refuse to have anything to do with the bigot, were they a close, personal friend or relative. BUT if, over time, their position did not change, I would definitely cease to include them in my life.

For more, please read my response to the comment above.

You're deluding yourself. Both Qian and SP have explained in detail to Yuan why he should "straighten" up and marry, have a family, etc. They've gone on and on about how hard being gay is, so he should somehow just turn himself straight. This is all regardless of who any specific man would be.

Regarding your comment and the one above it, it's kind of sad to read gay people twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse away the anti-gay attitudes surrounding them.

From the dictionary:
homophobia
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or gay people

It doesn't matter WHY Qian and SP think the way they do, the fact remains their attitudes, words, and actions are homophobic in the extreme. Just ask Yuan.

"Cultural differences should be respected."

There are cultures still today that practice slavery. Many cultures subjugate and degrade women. In the U.S., where I live, there are more guns than people and mass shootings are common. It's part of our culture. Do you respect those "cultural differences?" I sure don't. Nor do I respect women walking pigeon-toed or speaking in baby voices, wherever they do it.

"But your reply sounded like a statement of hate towards Japanese women and culture in general, thus I said "your tone sounds racist". I did not accuse you. I merely pointed out my interpretation of your comments."

What a lame load of horseshit. You accused me. By the way, you sound like an arrogant, but stupid person. Did I just accuse you of being arrogant and stupid? Why no, I merely pointed out my interpretation of your comments.

"Not gonna reply anymore."

Thank god.

Oh, and Japanese, Korean, and Han Chinese DNA differs by less than 1%. Deal with it.

From a lifetime of experience as a gay man, and knowing a great many other gay men, I've come to believe this "my gay feelings were buried so deep even I was unaware of them" is 99.9% BS. A LOT of us tell ourselves and others that story as we're coming out, at whatever speed we need to, but even as we say it we know it's not true. Saying shit like that is one of many steps on the way toward getting comfortable with ourselves before we're ready to be 100% honest.

How many straight people say "oh my straight sexual feelings were buried so deep I wasn't aware of them until I was 30?"

The "I'm only gay for YOU, buddy" thing, which is a real thing we tell each other, comes from the same bedrock of fear.

I'd appreciate you not throwing out spoilers based on things you've read or heard in interviews. I'd like to base my experience of this series on what is contained in the series itself without "oh but they said this in an interview" or "this is what happened in the novel" type stuff being tossed around. Thanks.

As we know, adaptations often vary widely from their source material, and if they don't, I don't want to know that either, not having read the novel.

Wow. First-rate, feature film-level acting from the leads especially. Nice.

It's been a while since I've cried multiple times during one episode of a BL. It's nice to have that problem again. :) Yuan sitting at the foot of the stairs in the house, crying while Qian the big baby was hiding at the office, did me in.

Qian is a big old closet-queen. Straight guys don't tell a beautiful, obviously interested female colleague they're "not Interested," because straight guys WOULD BE "interested." He hid at the office because he's not nearly as strong or brave as Yuan when it comes to facing his sexuality and what his heart wants. Yuan keeps asking multiple people "why can't I just love him?" And no one has had a coherent, non-homophobic answer yet.

San Pang has a resonant, baritone speaking voice that makes me wet, but he's an asshole. I kept hoping Yuan would punch him.

I hope Yuan finds a big, tall, handsome American boyfriend in New York, who treats him as he deserves to be treated, and brings him back to Taipei with him just to drive Qian insane with jealousy.

Qian can't look Yuan in the eyes and he hid at the office because he's every bit as much in love with Yuan as vice versa, and he knows now that everything is in the open, those puppy eyes could be the end of him; he'd fall to pieces.

ummm...I'm going to assume from your "normies and boomers" phrase that you are an American like me. Nineteen U.S. states allow first-cousin marriage without restriction. Seven more states allow it with certain requirements. People need to get over two things: the idea that first-cousin marriage is "illegal" almost everywhere, which it's not, and the idea that the freaking government needs to have its nose in people's personal, romantic business.

I'm willing to bet that making first-cousin marriages illegal has prevented exactly ZERO first-cousin, long-term relationships. First-cousin romances are so exceedingly rare that there is no reason for laws regulating them to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the spoiler button?

"Pray to the P***Y!"

If you're dumb enough to watch this trash, you'll know what that means. lol

Actually, there are elements of an intriguingly twisted story here, that in the hands of a more talented director and with a bigger budget, might have become something pretty powerful. Unfortunately, we get this director and this budget, so...yuck.

The female lead character might be the most repulsive/repugnant woman I've ever met in a film, but it's not because of the actor's great talents.

Anyway...recommended only if you're really in the mood for poorly-done trash you have to see to believe that it exists. I did watch it all the way to the end, so that's something, though I skipped ahead a couple of times near the end. By then things had gone so far over the top that I didn't know whether to laugh or scream.

4/10 Those 4 stars are for trying to go some places I've never seen a film try to go, even if it never got there.

https://www.effedupmovies.com/father-is-a-dog-2010/

You lost me at "racist..." I don't read replies past lazy, stupid, offensive accusations like that, so you wasted your time writing the rest of it.

Did you know cultural affectations and traditions are NOT passed along via DNA? Did you know Japanese, Korean, and Han Chinese people share 99,9% of their DNA? So Chinese and Korean women are the same "race" as Japanese women and yet, for some reason, gosh, I can't imagine what it could be...they don't indulge in KAWAII silliness such as walking pigeon-toed or acting brain-dead.

Educate yourself before hurling radical insults like "racist."

Your reply's rating: -10/10

Well, actually, I tried watching this film once before, about two years ago. That time I dropped it at about 90 minutes. It is my opinion that this is a horrendously terrible film, whether one drops it at 30 or 90 minutes. I'm OK with that. I'm glad you love it. That's great.

Believe me, I wanted to love it, as the first four actors listed above are among my favorite Japanese actors. Nevertheless, this movie is among my least favorite Japanese films and will remain so.

I have several "Top 30 Best Films" lists on my profile page. Check them out if you like!

I already said "justifiable" is YOUR word and YOUR hangup. I don't make anything sound like anything. It's you who's perceiving my words in such a way because you're projecting your way of thinking onto me.

My reaction to a partner cheating on me would depend entirely on a lot of different factors, each of which would differ according to who my partner was, when, and for how long this cheating went on among many other factors. Assessing a partner's infidelity is no more black and white than anything else in the universe.

lol WHOSE morality? Oh, that's right...YOUR morality, which you assume to be the only valid form of such, and which you use to judge other people and their lives, even though you claim you don't.

I would love to see that too. :)
Fandy Fan would be required to star in my version of that film. :)
I found FBTE overall a good flick, but it skipped over when the half-brothers' relationship became romantic/physical. They went from being like 10 and 4 to grown men when their father died, by which time they were already involved. I would like to have seen a lot more of the development of the relationship and the angst surrounding that change.
Beautiful actors though.

Another thing people cringe over and pretend doesn't exist is the fact that it's not uncommon for full-blood male siblings, especially if they are very close in age, to fool around and explore sexually together in adolescence. The male sex-drive is in overdrive at that point, you're horny 24/7, so it's not surprising things happen.

But the vast majority of those boys are straight and simply move on to the next stage of their development in a couple years, which is when they start actively pursuing girls. Their same-sex experimentation is entirely physical with no romantic or relationship implications.

Why would I watch a "film entirely" that has me squirming to drop it at 30 minutes? I have watched thousands of movies. If a film hasn't engaged me enough to hang around at half an hour, then it hasn't done its job as it should, and I'm out. All that matters to me is what I saw in the first part of the film that bored me to tears.

A great and powerful, redeeming character arc from a typically simpering Japanese female character who annoys the hell out of me in the first 30 minutes is something I'm OK with missing out on. Again, the film didn't do its job and, having seen that type a zillion times before, I'm out.

Yes, I know there are Japanese movies with strong female characters, but the type with the mannerisms I saw in this film is the dominant one. ugh It's not even about how strong the character may end up being in some way, it's that whispery, cringing, downcast, fake-Minnie-Mouse-voiced affect that makes me crazy, and it is definitely a Japanese thing. Google "KAWAII."

Any movie that forces me to drop it because of its awfulness in its first 30 minutes or so gets a 1/10 from me. It is absolutely a fair rating. Why would it be any higher? If MDL didn't think it was "fair" to rate a movie you drop, the rating stars would not become available when you click on "drop." You are free to rate this a 10/10 if you like.