Since Gorya has known Thyme: 1) He gave her a red card which led to her almost being sexually assaulted (only…
Yes it feels like one sided love cuz it technically still one sided from Thyme, Gorya still hasn't acknowledge her own feeling. But I get what you mean, it feels like only one side trying hard and loving much more. I wish they had more solid foundation of relationship before moving to this kind of story. It would be nicer if we already see Gorya acknowledge her feelings, fall for him, then things falling part and she backed out (it will also be much painful and enganging LOL)
So... I noticed some people said Gorya doing a noble idiocy, while for me what she has done is one thing that made sense. I gotta say Thyme has to be blamed too, Thyme is the one who pursue her and put her (and will put her) in a lot of misery. Gorya got plenty on her plate, her school, her family, her friends, and she feel little in Thyme's world too. Thyme should have made her feel better about herself and their relationship. He should have guide her and learn together with her. It doesn't matter if their worlds are different, as long as they both willing to fight together. Thyme hasn't yet communicate and proving to Gorya that he willing to REALLY fight for their relationship. Ofcourse Gorya is scared that one day, Thyme will left and just be on his world, leaving her alone in misery. On top of that Gorya herself still hasn't acknowledge her own feeling. Rather than making that feeling grow, it easier to just stop there. It's less messy for both of them.
Thank you so much for this. I thought I'm going nuts cuz this is what I thought about that scene (and the whole…
Well every relationship is a give and take. Why would you be in something that always make you give? It's exhausting. Love is give and take, friendship is give and take. Both parties has to make the same effort, they're on equal footing.
Thank you so much for this. I thought I'm going nuts cuz this is what I thought about that scene (and the whole…
I agree, F4 Thailand team may develop it further so Thyme change isn't dependant on Gorya, it still ep 7 of 16. But for me still, the outcome of this ep is still isn't satisfying. He didn't even apologize for that outburst, as I remember... I totally agree Gorya could support him, while also not tolerating his violence. But I just don't see what Thyme could bring to the table for Gorya. Yes, she can support Thyme to be better and he lover her, and? Is Thyme good for Gorya? For me, he isn't, yet. Therefore for me Gorya helping him that far is just too much.
Thank you so much for this. I thought I'm going nuts cuz this is what I thought about that scene (and the whole…
I think there's few possibility, maybe she want to calm Thyme down and makes some sense to him, but she didn't know what Thyme is capable of. Or she is willingly do so even tho she know, which makes her Thyme's manic pixie dream girl
Personally as someone who watches other past versions l always had hate love relationship with the original story…
Thank you so much for this. I thought I'm going nuts cuz this is what I thought about that scene (and the whole series). I agree that they pushing the message of "SHE is the one who change him" too much and for me personally, it's a dangerous idea to be told to teenagers. At that scene, Gorya should have left, she should have stand up for herself, she shouldn't feel guilty even a inch. It was Thyme who bring himself to the darkness again, it's not Gorya fault AT ALL. Gorya should have left Thyme, cuz she should prioritize herself and her safety first. Thyme ALMOST hit her, doesn't mean he won't hit her next time. It's a ticking time bomb. And the way the direction played the romantic music after with Thyme saying "You won't chose me afterall", is just so messed up for me. Yes, ofcourse Gorya shouldn't be chosing you, cuz you're a threat to her safety. Especially cuz in that scene Gorya just stand there accepting whatever Thyme gonna do and not an equal footing to him. If they made Gorya stand up for herself and fights back, I think it would be better cuz at least we can feel that Thyme isn't as threatening to her cuz she CAN fights back. But F4T team chose Gorya to just stand there....
Thyme isn't irredemable, he is. But the direction and narrative should be different. He should have change and PROVE he is changing first, and Gorya would accept him then. Mental illness isn't excuse to be an asshole and a threat to someone. It perfectly fine to leave someone with mental illness to SAVE yourself first.
And yes I agree too that at first I appreciate that F4 Thailand addressing some issue that aren't well recognize in past version and want to give better message for viewers. But they're doing the opposite now... I won't recomend this series to teenagers, the same way I won't recomend the past version to teenagers
Bright is a star. Like Lee Min Ho. No doubt about this. I get cruel Thyme, confused smitten Thyme, childish Thyme.…
I agree of what you said of Bright seemingly jerky, unfocused facial movement. And part where Thyme nursing Gorya, I also agree. For Lee Minho star power, I kinda disagree, cuz he is indeed a good actor. At first I thought Thyme's acting better than Lee Minho, but now I think Lee Minho's acting is better it just Junpyo character was meh. But I need more confirmation once we get to the second half of F4T cuz thats when we can know Bright pull it off or not.
For physique, I don't think it's that important. Ofcourse if the actor has the build for the role it will be better, but thats not all there is. Matsumoto Jun, the ML for japanase version only 173cm tall, the smallest in F4. He got a lot of criticism at first cuz his build isn't exactly right, but his acting is just so superb now everyone saying that he is perfect for Domyoji Tsukasa
I'd like to give you some more to think about regarding "ugly" Hana...She wasn't ugly. To me, the episode made…
Ofcourse the whole scene was exactly to make a point that Hana is NOT ugly, I just wish they didn't put Hana "ugly" face very clearly. They could totally did that message without showing Hana face. Saying character X is ugly is different than actually putting a face on what ugly is. Cuz when you put a face on it, you can see what the example of ugly. And it actually decrease the reason of Thyme saying that are just due to his pettiness, not at all due to Hana "ugliness".But maybe that just me. It just that F4 Thailand are very keen to make this version more moraly and socialy right and correct, so for them showing lil Hana face kinda threw me off
He is quite good in comedy scene and in intimidating/angry moment. For the rest, it's a lot of miss for me. Tbh,…
Hmm now I think about it, I never get interested in actors due to the It Factor, I mostly just see their acting. So maybe that's that. But yeah, I can totally see the star power he holds
To add to the ongoing raging debate over Bright's acting: He goes wrong in the big emotional scenes (ETA: or as…
He is quite good in comedy scene and in intimidating/angry moment. For the rest, it's a lot of miss for me. Tbh, for me at least I don't see the It Factor...
So… Apparently a lot of you like it. Unfortunately, I didn't feel the same way. I just felt like this kind of storytelling isn't for me. Too much telling, it's like I'm being spoon fed to how to think and feel. It's heavy on dialogue, every character always tells their thoughts and feelings, the scene always shows everything (for example the Hana backstory), there's always someone and something that explains all the things that's happening. I think it's good and bad. Apparently a lot of you like it more this way, so I think it's a preference thingy. But the thing is, F4 Thailand explained too much to the audience, yet didn't explain it to the character. So yeah, that's my main problem with F4 Thailand.
Another thing that I want to point out is… I'm kinda disappointed that F4T is actually more regressive than Hana Yori Dango 2005 in the Hana/Sakurako part. F4T showed Hana "ugly" face, whereas HYD that came out 17 years ago didn't. I felt bad for young Hana actress, plus it also sent mixed messages about what "ugly" is.
In the Japanese version, he committed suicide which led to him (ML) becoming lonely due to his mother having to…
I think you mistaken it with Ken. Ken is a friend of Tsukasa that got close to him during his stay in New York, Ken has become like an older brother to Tsukasa. Tsukasa has said ambigous thing in New York and the press took it, twisted it abit and it made Domyoji corporation in badlight, so the stocks went down and Domyoji corp must let some of it's employers go. Ken is one of the employer that was fired. He then commit suicide because of it and Tsukasa saw his suicide as Ken jumps of the building.
I’m surprise actually that after careful explanation & execution, the message was still not clear to you.If…
What I mean tell and not show, it's not about literally "show". They explained alot, but they just don't make me feel.
As for preachy part, let just said I have particular preference that I'm very sensitive to preachy message. I don't like to be told "that is right" and "that is wrong" too obviously. And F4T always making sure what is right very obviously. I respect that, but that just not for me.
Regardless, I still enjoy it. It's not all bad, it has a lot of good things.
In the japanese ver, tsukasa went to the hotel in the pic, and sanjo will try to kiss him there when tsukasa lay…
Yup I agree she isn't jealous like the other version, but she indeed had a thing for Tsukasa. I think more than like, she wants Domyoji approval or revenge or something? Cuz when she beat him up she said "Why didn't you look at me? Why? Say sorry to me, bow to me, tell me I'm beautiful and madly crazy about me."
Thyme isn't irredemable, he is. But the direction and narrative should be different. He should have change and PROVE he is changing first, and Gorya would accept him then. Mental illness isn't excuse to be an asshole and a threat to someone. It perfectly fine to leave someone with mental illness to SAVE yourself first.
And yes I agree too that at first I appreciate that F4 Thailand addressing some issue that aren't well recognize in past version and want to give better message for viewers. But they're doing the opposite now... I won't recomend this series to teenagers, the same way I won't recomend the past version to teenagers
For physique, I don't think it's that important. Ofcourse if the actor has the build for the role it will be better, but thats not all there is. Matsumoto Jun, the ML for japanase version only 173cm tall, the smallest in F4. He got a lot of criticism at first cuz his build isn't exactly right, but his acting is just so superb now everyone saying that he is perfect for Domyoji Tsukasa
Another thing that I want to point out is… I'm kinda disappointed that F4T is actually more regressive than Hana Yori Dango 2005 in the Hana/Sakurako part. F4T showed Hana "ugly" face, whereas HYD that came out 17 years ago didn't. I felt bad for young Hana actress, plus it also sent mixed messages about what "ugly" is.
As for preachy part, let just said I have particular preference that I'm very sensitive to preachy message. I don't like to be told "that is right" and "that is wrong" too obviously. And F4T always making sure what is right very obviously. I respect that, but that just not for me.
Regardless, I still enjoy it. It's not all bad, it has a lot of good things.