In the japanese ver, tsukasa went to the hotel in the pic, and sanjo will try to kiss him there when tsukasa lay…
From what I remember in japanase version, Sanjo indeed wants to be with Tsukasa, but she isn't jealous with Tsukushi. Tsukushi did get bullied, but it wasn't as severe like in korean ver. From what I get is Sanjo sets Tsukushi up so Tsukasa would tossed Tsukushi away and be with her. But at the hotel she is furious to why Tsukasa ignored her and don't look at her at all (instead Tsukasa thinking about Tsukushi the whole time). At the end Tsukasa mad at Tsukushi but he still can let her go. Sanjo got mad at Tsukasa for ignoring her, using Tsukushi as bait to beat Tsukasa up. She finally give in cuz she had enough, she is hurt enough seeing Tsukasa protecting Tsukushi so much and vice versa. It's sad too actually for Sanjo... All she wants is Tsukasa to look at her....
1. "His character motives are confusing. I don’t understand how easy for him to just pursue Gorya, when in previous…
Yes, I agree F4T carry alot more societal message than other version. But the "be true to yourself" message isn't as prominent as the japan counterpart (manga, anime, drama). Well part of it also due to Japan being a conformist country, so alot of their drama message are about being true to yourself, self acceptance, self confidence, etc.
I am loving the adaptation but I see the point you're making. I think there's a few things going on: one is that…
I kinda disagree with you. I don't think previous version just serving the narratives without examining the story. I think it's more like they're serving the narrative without being worried of it being right or wrong in term of worldwide moral and social norm. You can see that each version has their own message and core they want to convey, even if they have the same story. But I agree F4T is the one that seem to be the most righteous one. Other version always kinda have that grey morality in them. Well for me, as to why it's preachy is also cuz I personally didn't like preachy drama LOL hence why I rarely watch teacher-student, bullying issue, or any inspirational drama. I just don't like something that really shows us "this is right" and "this is wrong". Oh and also the motivational inner monologue..... It's a preference I think
I agreeee. Thyme and gorya are my fav out of all vers.
Well, at that time he didn't realize it was a big no 😅 At that time he didn't know punching people randomly is wrong, doing all the horible things just because he is irritated is wrong. Actually in japanase Tsukasa didn't say that he said something like "That guys make that selfish decision themselves". He is a monster, but Tsukasa is the only one who didn't force kiss Makino tho, and he always gives her space and respect. Much like ThymeAnd also idk, Inoue Mao and Matsumoto Jun chemistry is crazy good... Their chemistry really are the best of all drama couple ever
1. "His character motives are confusing. I don’t understand how easy for him to just pursue Gorya, when in previous…
Thank you for the answer. 1. Yes I understand he is still new and confused. Since he always tried to control everything, I just had that image that he wants to control the school and pursuing Gorya out in public in school, isn't it making him losing control? He even goes as far as making Gorya want to apologize with bribing her? Ofcourse no one would dare to stand up for him, but still there's ripple effect.
2. Hmmm ok interesting point taken. It just the monologue that Gorya said at the airport was abit confusing for me, but I'll see where this goes.
3. I think the message for this drama is different from Hana Yori Dango drama dan manga. Whereas in HanaDan it's about to not just see people from their outer self (beauty, wealth, charm), but also from their inner self (heart) hence the title Hana Yori Dango (substance over beauty). It's about being true to yourself, honest with your own feeling, doing what you believe is right, and fights for things that you care about. For F4 Thailand, I think the message is to do things for greater good, even if it's hard. For F4 and Gorya going thru self development to be a better person (hence growing up). I think it's implied numerous time since the first ep. F4T it's more like a coming of age drama isn't it? Or maybe I miss something...
I’m surprise actually that after careful explanation & execution, the message was still not clear to you.If…
Idk why you're being so defensive.. If you enjoy it then, good for you! But I seem to can not enjoy it as much as you. For the tell and not show... Hmmm I just think that way cuz the way they deliver things is through dialogue. I just wish they let us feel through scenes, imagenary, music, idk... just let the feelings lingers more. Everything is explained well, but I just can't feel what these character going through.
The whole 500baht dinner, I just feel it to be preachy. Teaching the value of money by giving example on how other ppl strugle with money is kinda condescending for me. Well the tone and the way they deliver it at least, the idea is fine. For example rather than having Thyme thinking 500 baht food could feed a whole family, isn't better than he learn that 500 baht dinner could be equally delicious to Michellin Star meal if enjoyed it with people you loved? Idk I personally don't feel it.
Mira leaving is chessy, well for me at least. The reason is chessy... I wish they made it more personal? Like I said. For example, she had done voluntary work and seeing unfortunate children smile makes her empty, muddy life more clear. She see Gorya being so brave, so she wants to be brave too. Or when doing voluntary work she couldn't save someone so she want to made it up by being a humanist lawyer. And that whole Mira leaving thing isn't just happen to that particular scene, but that chessy and preachy thing happens in the whole drama too. I just wish rather than to make it "correct", they also focus on more why it's "correct" and make it more personal?
I am loving the adaptation but I see the point you're making. I think there's a few things going on: one is that…
Yes, your points are right and I agree. It came from good intentions, but for me the execution for that making me feels it's preachy (like a lot of things in this drama, I feel it being a bit too preachy and shoved in my throat). Or maybe I just personally didn't like that trope? Or I feel personally attacked as someone who likes to indulge myself? 🤣
But I came with open mind and I still kinda enjoy it. Let's see how this goes...
LOL you haven't seen the other HYD adaptations from Korea and China?... if you survived those adaptations then…
I have seen the japanase, korean, and read the manga LOL. Yeaa I noticed that Thai version want to focus on social issue, but still for me at least the way they deliver it feels preachy for me haha.
Mira leaving to France is noble, but chessy, well for me at least. The reason is chessy... I wish they made it more personal? Like I said. For example, she had done voluntary work and seeing unfortunate children smile makes her empty, muddy life more clear. She see Gorya being so brave, so she wants to be brave too. Or when doing voluntary work she couldn't save someone so she want to made it up by being a humanist lawyer. And that whole Mira leaving thing isn't just happen to that particular scene, but that chessy and preachy thing happens in the whole drama too. I just wish rather than to make it "correct", they also focus on more why it's "correct" and make it more personal?
I am loving the adaptation but I see the point you're making. I think there's a few things going on: one is that…
Thyme being mad I think doesn't equal comedic scene. I think the japanase version is one of the example to balance the two: Thyme being angry, yet still a dramatic scene. Idk I just wish Thyme-Gorya moment being more.. not just the rain scene, but also the stair scene, and the broken gate scene. Like I want to feel it more.
Hmm yes, now you should it. Only ML in this version acknowledge their differences in socioeconomis status. But I think they could do it in more less preachy way LOL. For example rather than having Thyme thinking 500 baht food could feed a whole family, isn't better than he learn that 500 baht dinner could be equally delicious to Michellin Star meal if enjoyed it with people you loved? Idk I personally iffy about that kind of message and way to know the value of money and learn humbleness is by the "how much". But that's just me.
If I remember correctly, Kavin (in other versions) is someone who lost their first love because he is in a situation…
Isn't Kavin from other version lose their first love due to not conveying it? I don't remember his relationship something that being opposed by his family. He just isn't honest and scared of the results
I am loving the adaptation but I see the point you're making. I think there's a few things going on: one is that…
Hmmm I think it's not about the duration, cuz I have no problem with Hana Yori Dango drama that has the same duration and same plot points. In my opinion, I think it's because this drama often shy away from dramatic moment, for example during the rain scene, they make it all comedic when they could make it more with just a hint of comedic. Idk they could add some music or just let the scene lingers more so audience can feel it. I mean they're cute, but not something that makes me really "feel". Not just on rain scene but on other Thyme-Gorya moments too. Like F4T could make that beautiful water emergency scene with Ren, but why they couldn't with Thyme?
I think what I wrote previously is confusing LOL. I meant I don't like Gorya saying that to Thyme. Teaching the value of money by giving example on how other ppl strugle with money is kinda condescending for me. But I think it's not the line, but the tone of all of that, hence why I say it's preachy.
One reason for that would be how concise and compact this version is with its plotpoint. You should checkout other…
I already watch the japanase and korean version, and I LOVING the Hana Yori Dango japanase version to die LOL. I don't think it's about the pacing or duration, cuz I have no complains when I watch HanaDan, I clearly understands it. And HanaDan is even more compact and faster than this....
Does this guy is really know Shoujo manga, love comedy, or BOF? typing so long but "chessy". If doing everything…
LOL on the contrary, I grew up reading shoujo manga, I watch shoujo romance Jdrama lot of times, and I LOVE Hana Yori Dango Jdrama. But F4T is just.... Too preachy and a bit too chessy for me. Despite being chessy, I can still enjoy MiseKodo and Peach Girl, but for F4T I can't enjoy the chessiness...
I enjoy this half and half… I like ep 1-2, but ep 3 is a huge letdown for me, and ep 4 was okay? I don’t know if anybody felt this way but I just feel like this drama is very very preachy……. I also doesn’t understand the hype around Thyme. His character motives are confusing. I don’t understand how easy for him to just pursue Gorya, when in previous ep he hesitant to stop the bully of Gorya (when she almost shaved her head). Considering he is very aware that he needs to keep his status in school, I wish I see him more struggling to come to that conclussion to freely pursue Gorya. I also don’t get it why Gorya goes to Thyme, they never explain why?
And again this drama is very preachy and chessy… I’m so annoyed with 500 baht dinner talk when Gorya said “This could feed my whole family!” and how it kinda implied that Gorya shouldn’t look away from problem (ie. problematic F4) and “need” to change them. Ummmh… Why changing other people has become other people responsibility… And Mira reason for leaving to France also very cheesy and unrealistic. If her reason is to help other unfortunate people, at least gives us the more personal reason (example: she met a boy that she wants to save etc). Hmmm... actually I'm not really keen with the message of this drama, like we need to grow up (but what does grow up means?) and doing things for greater good (but the way they deliver it is very very preachy)
And also this drama is very dialogue heavy... It's more tell and not show. For me, just because a character said it, doesn't mean I believe it and feel it. But eh, maybe that just my preference that I like a drama that's more show and not all tell. Maybe other people could believe and feel it just thru dialogue, but for me, I need more.
1. Yes I understand he is still new and confused. Since he always tried to control everything, I just had that image that he wants to control the school and pursuing Gorya out in public in school, isn't it making him losing control? He even goes as far as making Gorya want to apologize with bribing her? Ofcourse no one would dare to stand up for him, but still there's ripple effect.
2. Hmmm ok interesting point taken. It just the monologue that Gorya said at the airport was abit confusing for me, but I'll see where this goes.
3. I think the message for this drama is different from Hana Yori Dango drama dan manga. Whereas in HanaDan it's about to not just see people from their outer self (beauty, wealth, charm), but also from their inner self (heart) hence the title Hana Yori Dango (substance over beauty). It's about being true to yourself, honest with your own feeling, doing what you believe is right, and fights for things that you care about. For F4 Thailand, I think the message is to do things for greater good, even if it's hard. For F4 and Gorya going thru self development to be a better person (hence growing up). I think it's implied numerous time since the first ep. F4T it's more like a coming of age drama isn't it? Or maybe I miss something...
The whole 500baht dinner, I just feel it to be preachy. Teaching the value of money by giving example on how other ppl strugle with money is kinda condescending for me. Well the tone and the way they deliver it at least, the idea is fine. For example rather than having Thyme thinking 500 baht food could feed a whole family, isn't better than he learn that 500 baht dinner could be equally delicious to Michellin Star meal if enjoyed it with people you loved? Idk I personally don't feel it.
Mira leaving is chessy, well for me at least. The reason is chessy... I wish they made it more personal? Like I said. For example, she had done voluntary work and seeing unfortunate children smile makes her empty, muddy life more clear. She see Gorya being so brave, so she wants to be brave too. Or when doing voluntary work she couldn't save someone so she want to made it up by being a humanist lawyer. And that whole Mira leaving thing isn't just happen to that particular scene, but that chessy and preachy thing happens in the whole drama too. I just wish rather than to make it "correct", they also focus on more why it's "correct" and make it more personal?
But I came with open mind and I still kinda enjoy it. Let's see how this goes...
Mira leaving to France is noble, but chessy, well for me at least. The reason is chessy... I wish they made it more personal? Like I said. For example, she had done voluntary work and seeing unfortunate children smile makes her empty, muddy life more clear. She see Gorya being so brave, so she wants to be brave too. Or when doing voluntary work she couldn't save someone so she want to made it up by being a humanist lawyer. And that whole Mira leaving thing isn't just happen to that particular scene, but that chessy and preachy thing happens in the whole drama too. I just wish rather than to make it "correct", they also focus on more why it's "correct" and make it more personal?
Hmm yes, now you should it. Only ML in this version acknowledge their differences in socioeconomis status. But I think they could do it in more less preachy way LOL. For example rather than having Thyme thinking 500 baht food could feed a whole family, isn't better than he learn that 500 baht dinner could be equally delicious to Michellin Star meal if enjoyed it with people you loved? Idk I personally iffy about that kind of message and way to know the value of money and learn humbleness is by the "how much". But that's just me.
I think what I wrote previously is confusing LOL. I meant I don't like Gorya saying that to Thyme. Teaching the value of money by giving example on how other ppl strugle with money is kinda condescending for me. But I think it's not the line, but the tone of all of that, hence why I say it's preachy.
And again this drama is very preachy and chessy… I’m so annoyed with 500 baht dinner talk when Gorya said “This could feed my whole family!” and how it kinda implied that Gorya shouldn’t look away from problem (ie. problematic F4) and “need” to change them. Ummmh… Why changing other people has become other people responsibility… And Mira reason for leaving to France also very cheesy and unrealistic. If her reason is to help other unfortunate people, at least gives us the more personal reason (example: she met a boy that she wants to save etc). Hmmm... actually I'm not really keen with the message of this drama, like we need to grow up (but what does grow up means?) and doing things for greater good (but the way they deliver it is very very preachy)
And also this drama is very dialogue heavy... It's more tell and not show. For me, just because a character said it, doesn't mean I believe it and feel it. But eh, maybe that just my preference that I like a drama that's more show and not all tell. Maybe other people could believe and feel it just thru dialogue, but for me, I need more.