They aren't relatives. Her birth surname is Im. It changed to Lee when she was adopted by her stepfather.Even…
I didn't say that these two are relatives. I've just said that they have the same name and as such they won't need to change anything in their marriage or birth registrations, neither for them or for their children.
On regard of how they are related, there are chances to go the other way round too. I mean for a good number of people that are descended from the same clan being non relatives. Or be very distant relatives. Even though they have the same family name. In any case in a country that 6,794,000 ++ people have the same surname, even if they are descended by different clans, there are always chances for unwanted or unjustifiable complications. The Kims are almost 10 millions the Lees are close to 7 million, the Parks are almost 4 million and the Choi another 2+ million. This is odd and at least counterproductive to say so...!
If you continue watching you'll see that some characters (Ye Wenjie in the first place) say pretty harsh things…
Ok.. I've finished reading the book and I have to say that the series is somewhat better than the book as it is more enhanced to say so. The book is uneven and clumsily written with some chapters being completely boring and pointless and some other packed with interesting themes that are mentioned and then pushed aside completely undeveloped. And that is the reason why the series is somewhat sluggish. They've tried to include whatever it is in the book and develop in some way some of the most interesting themes and subplots but they are going in blind because they don't probably have a hint on where the writer wanted to take each theme and subplot or because they wanted to keep the series strictly bound to the book that is the first of a three book series. The book stops with a cliff hang and at a plot point that doesn't have that much potential in order to resolve to something interesting. The book if full of great ideas but the writer is probably not experienced enough to prioritize them appropriately and develop them and the series rely on the book with whatever problems has this book as a source material. I would give a 6,5 hardly 7 out of 10 to the book and an 8 out of 10 to the series up until the 14th episode that I have already watched.
Yes and I've just finished reading the book with rather mixed feelings.
The book is uneven to say so as it has some very boring and pointless chapters and some other that are very interesting. The writer tried to pack in just 357 pages a load of interesting themes without being able to prioritize and develop appropriately the more interesting of these themes.
The game for instance is pointless. It covers 5-6 chapters but at the end comes out that the game is just how the Earthers imagine the Trisolar planet but not how the planet actually is. Also the game doesn't advance the plot. It was there just to recruit scientist but without making sure that those scientists were keen to accept the causes and aims of that organization. I don't know why they tried to recruit irrelevant with their causes people even if those people were geniuses. It is completely pointless.
On the other hand some very interesting subplots are undeveloped completely in the book. The book is not so preachy on regard of environmental concern issues and both the series and the book don't juxtapose the two civilizations on regard of their environmental sensitivities to say so.
There is a rather brutal murder in the book but both the book and the series start with the suicides instead of starting with the murder.
There are also countless of scientific interest themes that are just mentioned and then are pushed aside.
The series downplays the Cultural Revolution story that is more brutal in the book, while the book spends way too many chapters for the pointless subplot of the game instead of spending more chapters to show how they dealt with the Aliens.
The book is clumsily written and the series though are better and enhanced are based on the clumsily written source book and suffer by the same ups and downs.
Yes and I've just finished reading the book with rather mixed feelings.
No it is the other way round in this case. The series enhanced the book and not the book the series. Read - or don't read- on my spoiler comment below what is going on with the book and the series. Keep in mind that has a lot of spoilers.
Just finished ep14 and gotta say revolutionary songs make for a much better background than the 2008 Olympics…
Same here. What you say applies to the book as well, ( so it is a problem of the source material) that I've just finished reading. The whole online virtual reality game in order to give you a hint, is like a plot filler. It is pointless and doesn't advance the story plot. And there are themes that should have been developed further instead of just simply being mentioned.
Maybe You don't have the brains to understand it I guess that's the reason why it didn't make sense to you 😂😂…
Ok... So now that we've met online, and you bothered to reply to my comment, would you consider to take revenge on my behalf to those who harmed me in the past? A couple of them deserve death and another three relentless punishment. But I trust that you'll punish them on my behalf because we met for a brief moment during the right time ( for me) and I'm pretty sure that I'm making now a significant change in your life by making to you such an offer!! In order to make you trust me further my name is Zabra Rathka. I'm a very trustworthy person and I know that you 'll do your best because we've met for a brief moment after all! Pm me to give you more details in order to make the appropriate arrangements against my enemies!
Some people during old Joseon or goryeo era just picked up the same surnames as their masters so not everyone…
Ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaa.... Yes but this doesn't change the fact that we need to know instantly who our immediate ancestors were for practical reasons. In order no to waste time to search into the birth and family records! Anyway... if I was Korean and my name was let's say Kim I would definitely avoid to get into marriage with anyone with the same surname because how would I be able to know that he is not my lost twin brother separated at birth....! lol ( which is a story plot favored by drama writers) lol
The funny thing is that S. Koreans laugh with this situation as well. I was asked once by a S. Korean guy what do I know about Korea and I said: That half of you are Kim and half of you are Park... and he started laughing! He found very true and quite funny!
Koreans typically keep a pretty good record of their family registry and what clan they're from. Some are particularly…
Even if they keep records for the first and second degree relatives, there are also the third, fourth and fifth degree relatives and thus is probably extremely difficult to keep record if the majority of people share the same three surnames, that multiply for ever because new couples like this one share the same family name. Why don't they add some extra surnames for identification and variety purposes. For example Lee Da In could add the by Hwanggan Kyeon or add the Kyeon in her name. Kyeon Lee Da In to bring and example.
I don't know if you are aware that Spanish and those influenced by Spanish tradition have all the surnames of their ancestors. I had met once a lady that her name was Maria Louisa Teresa ( that was her first names- two given on birth one after Christening) del los Ombres del los Angeles, del la Huberdar ( or something like this, I probably misspelled the names) which were her father's family name, her mother's family name and that of her mother's mother family name because her mother probably changed her name when she got married). And most of the Western people mention the family name of a married woman. F. e Jane Smith nee Jones that indicates that the woman changed her surname upon her marriage and her maiden surname was Jones. But this makes the identification accurate and at least they know who is related with whom by saying their name.
Some people during old Joseon or goryeo era just picked up the same surnames as their masters so not everyone…
Yes I know that. But how do they know that they are not related by the time that they have so limited number of surnames? Even if they keep records for the first and second degree relatives, there are also the third, fourth and fifth degree relatives! And why don't they change their surnames or add another surname just for the sake of identification and variety?
Great...Congratulations! And they will not have to change their families' name too! lol May I ask something? How do they know that they are not relatives in S. Korea? One third of S. Koreans are Kims, the other third are Parks and the other third are Lees. How do they figure out who is who and who is related with whom?
If you continue watching you'll see that some characters (Ye Wenjie in the first place) say pretty harsh things…
I'll tell you more when I'll finish reading the book. FYI the series is very different from the books plot particularly after episode 9. I'm now on episode 11 of the series and now I'm following two different stories! lol The series don't show that much of the game, up until the 11 th episode that I've watched and I don't find this that bad because the chapters of the book that described each and every platform of the game were extremely boring. Interesting as high fantasy for the game world but unimportant for the whole plot.
And I don't really understand what was the point of the game subplot not only on regard of the narration into the book but also on regard of the whole plot.
The book looked very promising at the beginning but now the plot looks stupid. ( I avoid spoiling it for you because I don't know if you have read the book but if you ask me I will tell you what exactly I find completely stupid ).
And I don't really know what they are going to show on all these episodes of the series because I'm already on the 31st of 34 chapters and most of the story is already covered on the episodes of the series that I have already watched. Have they included the other two books? ( because there are another two books ).
FYI the 3body.com website does exist and it is advertising some online games and this series and the other adaptations of the book all in Chinese. It broke my nerves to translate it as I had to download the whole thing in order to translate it but ok .. it was fun. Safe to visit it. Go and check it out. lol
If you continue watching you'll see that some characters (Ye Wenjie in the first place) say pretty harsh things…
Oops.. you are right. I've messed up the nicknames. I though that it was nix that replied to me. Anyway... don't feel guilty for spoiling anything to me as I'm very much into reading the book and watching the series simultaneously. So I'm progressing pretty fast. Just give me a few days and I'm going to review both the series and the book as I'm big fun of science fiction and on philosophy as well. So I'm not unfamiliar with the concepts that the book and the series deal with. Both between the lines have more substance than a mere sci fi story.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution I consider it criminal on the way it dealt with Chinese culture and intellectuals. Chinese culture is one of the older ones ( along with the Greek one - and I'm saying that because I am Greek ) and this damn stupid concept of the Cultural Revolution ( better say destruction) was the worst thing that Chinese could have ever done to their culture. And it is somewhat tragic that they don't even want to talk about it, even up until now.
So they shouldn't have remove the most unpleasant scenes from the series because the series due to its subject can appeal to younger people who don't know and can't even imagine what happened from 1966 to 1976 in China.
But anyway... the book criticizes indirectly to say so that period of Chinese history.
Someone wrote on a review that this series is a piece of propaganda but it is not. Neither the book nor the series. In fact the author of the book passed with a very clever way his criticism towards the Chinese regime.
If you continue watching you'll see that some characters (Ye Wenjie in the first place) say pretty harsh things…
Yes but the book starts with what happened during the Cultural Revolution and how Ye Wenjie ended up at the Red Coast laboratory. It describes how her father was killed and how she fell in disfavor and she was jailed etc and how she ended up by chance to the Red Coast laboratory.
So they probably had to show her talking harshly about what happened to her back then, but talking is different than depicting what actually happened. These are the first 3-4 chapters of the book, it is actually the introduction to the plot. I've said that about the first chapters because you mentioned on your review that there are 30 episodes of different duration each , so they probably filmed each chapter as an episode excluding the episodes that are about the Cultural Revolution which are the 4 first chapters. There were left 30 chapters and this is how they came up with 30 episodes.
Anyway... the book is a great read because it incorporated a lot of the Western and Eastern philosophical subjects into the Sci Fi plot and I'm delaying watching the series because I want to finish first the book. I found the book by chance and then I realized that it has already released in a TV series.
If you haven't read it yet I recommend to do so. And I'd be glad to send it to you in an .epub file if you are interested to read it.
I would advise you to read the book, if you don't want to keep watching this drama, because your review is inaccurate. As for what the author of the book said, keep in mind the most intellectuals in China say in public what the CCP wants to hear and not exactly what they are actually believe. And that is the reason why this author's book was translated in English and has already three on screen adaptations, this one, one upcoming from Netflix and one in a 3D animation movie. We wouldn't be able to read this so interesting book and watch this series if the author was stupid enough to tell them what he actually thinks. But if you read the book you are going to see that he gives a very negative description of the Cultural Revolution on the first 3-4 chapters of the book that they were omitted from this adaptation.
I've started watching this drama after I've started reading the book. The episodes of this drama are following the chapters of the first book excluding the first chapters that are talking about the Cultural Revolution that seems to be a taboo subject in China. So the first episode is actually the fifth chapter with flashbacks to the story of Ye Wenjie that is the character whose background is more related to that Cultural Revolution though I haven't been able to find out yet what is the connection of her background with the plot though I have already read almost half of the book. Anyway..my point is that there are 30 episodes that each one corresponds to a chapter of the book. The Cultural Revolution chapters never happened!! lol
It is not though that good for a nation to feel ashamed of its past and never mention it. Anyway ... this is a great drama and I foresee it getting my ultimate 10.
On regard of how they are related, there are chances to go the other way round too. I mean for a good number of people that are descended from the same clan being non relatives. Or be very distant relatives. Even though they have the same family name.
In any case in a country that 6,794,000 ++ people have the same surname, even if they are descended by different clans, there are always chances for unwanted or unjustifiable complications.
The Kims are almost 10 millions the Lees are close to 7 million, the Parks are almost 4 million and the Choi another 2+ million. This is odd and at least counterproductive to say so...!
The book is uneven and clumsily written with some chapters being completely boring and pointless and some other packed with interesting themes that are mentioned and then pushed aside completely undeveloped.
And that is the reason why the series is somewhat sluggish. They've tried to include whatever it is in the book and develop in some way some of the most interesting themes and subplots but they are going in blind because they don't probably have a hint on where the writer wanted to take each theme and subplot or because they wanted to keep the series strictly bound to the book that is the first of a three book series.
The book stops with a cliff hang and at a plot point that doesn't have that much potential in order to resolve to something interesting. The book if full of great ideas but the writer is probably not experienced enough to prioritize them appropriately and develop them and the series rely on the book with whatever problems has this book as a source material.
I would give a 6,5 hardly 7 out of 10 to the book and an 8 out of 10 to the series up until the 14th episode that I have already watched.
The writer tried to pack in just 357 pages a load of interesting themes without being able to prioritize and develop appropriately the more interesting of these themes.
The game for instance is pointless. It covers 5-6 chapters but at the end comes out that the game is just how the Earthers imagine the Trisolar planet but not how the planet actually is. Also the game doesn't advance the plot. It was there just to recruit scientist but without making sure that those scientists were keen to accept the causes and aims of that organization. I don't know why they tried to recruit irrelevant with their causes people even if those people were geniuses. It is completely pointless.
On the other hand some very interesting subplots are undeveloped completely in the book. The book is not so preachy on regard of environmental concern issues and both the series and the book don't juxtapose the two civilizations on regard of their environmental sensitivities to say so.
There is a rather brutal murder in the book but both the book and the series start with the suicides instead of starting with the murder.
There are also countless of scientific interest themes that are just mentioned and then are pushed aside.
The series downplays the Cultural Revolution story that is more brutal in the book, while the book spends way too many chapters for the pointless subplot of the game instead of spending more chapters to show how they dealt with the Aliens.
The book is clumsily written and the series though are better and enhanced are based on the clumsily written source book and suffer by the same ups and downs.
Read - or don't read- on my spoiler comment below what is going on with the book and the series.
Keep in mind that has a lot of spoilers.
But I trust that you'll punish them on my behalf because we met for a brief moment during the right time ( for me) and I'm pretty sure that I'm making now a significant change in your life by making to you such an offer!!
In order to make you trust me further my name is Zabra Rathka. I'm a very trustworthy person and I know that you 'll do your best because we've met for a brief moment after all!
Pm me to give you more details in order to make the appropriate arrangements against my enemies!
Anyway... if I was Korean and my name was let's say Kim I would definitely avoid to get into marriage with anyone with the same surname because how would I be able to know that he is not my lost twin brother separated at birth....! lol
( which is a story plot favored by drama writers) lol
The funny thing is that S. Koreans laugh with this situation as well. I was asked once by a S. Korean guy what do I know about Korea and I said: That half of you are Kim and half of you are Park... and he started laughing! He found very true and quite funny!
Why don't they add some extra surnames for identification and variety purposes.
For example Lee Da In could add the by Hwanggan Kyeon or add the Kyeon in her name. Kyeon Lee Da In to bring and example.
I don't know if you are aware that Spanish and those influenced by Spanish tradition have all the surnames of their ancestors.
I had met once a lady that her name was Maria Louisa Teresa ( that was her first names- two given on birth one after Christening) del los Ombres del los Angeles, del la Huberdar ( or something like this, I probably misspelled the names) which were her father's family name, her mother's family name and that of her mother's mother family name because her mother probably changed her name when she got married).
And most of the Western people mention the family name of a married woman. F. e Jane Smith nee Jones that indicates that the woman changed her surname upon her marriage and her maiden surname was Jones.
But this makes the identification accurate and at least they know who is related with whom by saying their name.
And why don't they change their surnames or add another surname just for the sake of identification and variety?
May I ask something? How do they know that they are not relatives in S. Korea? One third of S. Koreans are Kims, the other third are Parks and the other third are Lees. How do they figure out who is who and who is related with whom?
And I don't really understand what was the point of the game subplot not only on regard of the narration into the book but also on regard of the whole plot.
The book looked very promising at the beginning but now the plot looks stupid.
( I avoid spoiling it for you because I don't know if you have read the book but if you ask me I will tell you what exactly I find completely stupid ).
And I don't really know what they are going to show on all these episodes of the series because I'm already on the 31st of 34 chapters and most of the story is already covered on the episodes of the series that I have already watched.
Have they included the other two books? ( because there are another two books ).
Safe to visit it. Go and check it out. lol
Anyway... don't feel guilty for spoiling anything to me as I'm very much into reading the book and watching the series simultaneously. So I'm progressing pretty fast. Just give me a few days and I'm going to review both the series and the book as I'm big fun of science fiction and on philosophy as well. So I'm not unfamiliar with the concepts that the book and the series deal with. Both between the lines have more substance than a mere sci fi story.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution I consider it criminal on the way it dealt with Chinese culture and intellectuals. Chinese culture is one of the older ones ( along with the Greek one - and I'm saying that because I am Greek ) and this damn stupid concept of the Cultural Revolution ( better say destruction) was the worst thing that Chinese could have ever done to their culture. And it is somewhat tragic that they don't even want to talk about it, even up until now.
So they shouldn't have remove the most unpleasant scenes from the series because the series due to its subject can appeal to younger people who don't know and can't even imagine what happened from 1966 to 1976 in China.
But anyway... the book criticizes indirectly to say so that period of Chinese history.
Someone wrote on a review that this series is a piece of propaganda but it is not. Neither the book nor the series. In fact the author of the book passed with a very clever way his criticism towards the Chinese regime.
So they probably had to show her talking harshly about what happened to her back then, but talking is different than depicting what actually happened. These are the first 3-4 chapters of the book, it is actually the introduction to the plot.
I've said that about the first chapters because you mentioned on your review that there are 30 episodes of different duration each , so they probably filmed each chapter as an episode excluding the episodes that are about the Cultural Revolution which are the 4 first chapters. There were left 30 chapters and this is how they came up with 30 episodes.
Anyway... the book is a great read because it incorporated a lot of the Western and Eastern philosophical subjects into the Sci Fi plot and I'm delaying watching the series because I want to finish first the book. I found the book by chance and then I realized that it has already released in a TV series.
If you haven't read it yet I recommend to do so. And I'd be glad to send it to you in an .epub file if you are interested to read it.
As for what the author of the book said, keep in mind the most intellectuals in China say in public what the CCP wants to hear and not exactly what they are actually believe.
And that is the reason why this author's book was translated in English and has already three on screen adaptations, this one, one upcoming from Netflix and one in a 3D animation movie.
We wouldn't be able to read this so interesting book and watch this series if the author was stupid enough to tell them what he actually thinks. But if you read the book you are going to see that he gives a very negative description of the Cultural Revolution on the first 3-4 chapters of the book that they were omitted from this adaptation.
So the first episode is actually the fifth chapter with flashbacks to the story of Ye Wenjie that is the character whose background is more related to that Cultural Revolution though I haven't been able to find out yet what is the connection of her background with the plot though I have already read almost half of the book.
Anyway..my point is that there are 30 episodes that each one corresponds to a chapter of the book. The Cultural Revolution chapters never happened!! lol
It is not though that good for a nation to feel ashamed of its past and never mention it.
Anyway ... this is a great drama and I foresee it getting my ultimate 10.
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