As someone who never read the manwhua, it would be confusing to see people rooting for a BL relationship between…
i'm not necessarily trying to stop anyone from enjoying it (i enjoy it for what it is too) i'm just constantly thinking of how much better it would be if the show was told as originally intended.
and once the writer sells the rights, the showrunners can do whatever they want- hence all the changes so i'm not gonna hold my breath
alright yeah, but majority of webtoon and majority of series, it's the 47 year old in the teen body, as in in…
i'm just gonna copy one of my other replies here,
Erasing the queer parts of the story takes away a lot of nuance from the characters and completely changes the narrative of the story the writer had originally intended to tell. It's no longer a commentary on homophobia in conservative societies like south korea. Instead of being bullied for his sexuality, he's being bullied for being a "stalker" which does not only change the original narrative of the character, but also inadvertently paints lgbt individuals as creepy and perpetuates the "predatory" stigma members of the community may receive in a society that is already heavily homophobic.
As someone who never read the manwhua, it would be confusing to see people rooting for a BL relationship between…
that's why i specifically said "represented in the mainstream". korean bl is still niche and made on a shoestring budget. My point was that it would do wonders for representation for a big budget studio to adapt a bl like this for a mainstream audience. Any time a gay character is in a mainstream k drama 9 times out of 10 they're either a villian or a tragic character. They rarely get a happy ending or a fully fleshed out storyline.
take wedding impossible for example. That entire story hinges on the gay storyline and they still sidelined the character. He didn't get a love story like many of the other straight characters in the show who did (even though he was one of the leads)
that's why it's frustrating to see them adapt a queer work but erase the queer content. there are hundreds of stories they could've adapted that don't contain lgbt content, but they want to have their cake and eat it too.
As someone who never read the manwhua, it would be confusing to see people rooting for a BL relationship between…
the age gap shouldn't be a concern because in the original story transplanted soul YH and SK's relationship isn't romantic. The show is absolutely playing with that dynamic for fanservice reasons (which may be adding to the confusion) but in the manwha the dynamic between SY and "adult" YH is more platonic in nature.
As someone who never read the manwhua, it would be confusing to see people rooting for a BL relationship between…
lmao it's not "victim mentality" to be upset about the double standards that queer works have to endure compared to hetero ones, especially in a conservative society like korea where queer visbility is already minute. Queer people deserve to see themselves represented in the mainstream and erasing that from a work that was ORIGINALLY queer just for profit quite literally does make them victims. Sure we're more aware of problematic power imbalances within relationships, but this show isn't an example of that. If people were actually trying to have these conversations in good faith they would know that by listening to the many other posters all over this thread explaining it.
hence my reasoning which is that they don't actually care about "power imbalances", they just have an issue with it being "BL". instead of just saying they don't want to see gays on TV with their chests, they try to gaslight others who are rightfully upset by saying things like "not every show has to be bl" or claiming that we're fetishists for wanting to see a queer story as it was originally written. The production could've adapted any number of stories, but they chose the gay one because queer love in korea sells like hotcakes as long as it's packaged in a subtextual heteronormative way (bromance)
im enjoying this for what it is as i think the actors are doing an amazing job (ive made my thoughts on the homophobic censorship here already) but i just think it's so funny that one of the only criticisms that the homophobes use to justify the removal of the queer element is the "age gap" between yi heon and se kyung.
first of all, the romance in the OG manwha was between the teenage version of YH and SK, not the 47 year old gangster so that argument doesn't even hold weight but even if it WAS this is a highly fantastical situation that would never happen in real life. S korea has adapted multiple heterosexual romances with the "transplanted soul" trope like goblin (which has the FL entering a relationship with an 1000 year old spirit) and it was one of the biggest k dramas ever. I'm not here to necessarily defend that type of relationship dynamic, but it's just so funny how straight romances can pull every trope under the sun for decades but it's suddenly a problem when it's gay. The double standard between straight media and queer media is highly apparent and is just another form of how homophobia pervades the entertainment industry,
anyways ill get off my soapbox now, i just wish some of these people would just be out and proud about their homophobia instead of hiding behind this performative ass display of concern for problematic relationship tropes
I'm seeing lot of mentally sick people here. They want bl between 47 year old man and a teenager boy😂😂 but…
the romance is between the teenage yi heon and se kyung not the gangster whose soul resides in his body. of course since the production erased that part of the story, people who aren't familiar with the manwha are using that as an excuse to defend homphobia
Don't bother with the comments. They are a group with an agenda.
not that it matters, but I am a queer man who enjoys queer stories from all over the world from brokeback mountain to moonlight to the way he looks to jongens. there is no gay "agenda" this is a gay novel that was adapted without the queer content to appease homophobes. THAT'S an agenda. Lovely runner is the biggest show in korea right now. There's a massive double standard in allowing straight stories to exist authentically but not queer ones
there are dozens of stories regarding bullying among korean youth they could've adapted, but they specifically chose a queer one. LGBT individuals deserve to see themselves represented in the mainstream, especially those living in more conservative societies like korea. Entertainment is a very powerful tool for enacting social change. judging from your responses you clearly have nothing to contribute to this conversation so i'll just leave it at that
rightttttt and people act like you can't criticize and still enjoy the product... i'm watching the drama rn and…
exactlyyy. i'm watching it too and i enjoy it for what it is (the actors are doing great) but i'm still massively disappointed in the censorship the production chose to implement. Erasing the queer parts of the story takes away a lot of nuance from the characters and completely changes the narrative of the story the writer had originally intended to tell. It's no longer a commentary on homophobia in conservative societies like south korea. Instead of being bullied for his sexuality, he's being bullied for being a "stalker" which does not only change the original narrative of the character, but also inadvertently paints lgbt individuals as creepy.
it's just disappointing to see time and time again queer stories in south korea are still not valued in the mainstream. I had the same disappointment watching wedding impossible when the gay main character was sidelined for much of the show and not given a real love story (unlike many of the other straight characters in the cast)
It definetely was supposed to 'bring ground breaking changes', because the plot revolves around the bullying a…
don't blame me for your terrible lack of reading comprehension 🤷♂️ maybe we should focus a little more on understanding what other people are trying to say instead of attacking anyone who doesn't agree with you
i mean it's understandable that fans of the original manwha would be upset that such an important part of the…
OR the third option which is expressing my disappointment and dissatisfaction on an open forum. the production is not paying your bills you do not need to dickride them like this 😂
some of the people in the comments trying to gaslight fans who are rightfully upset into believing that the production erasing such an important part of the queer source material isn't homophobic while being blatant homophobes themselves is so funny. like just say you hate gay people and go.
this could've been a really cool step into bringing more queer stories into the mainstream but homophobia won.
It definetely was supposed to 'bring ground breaking changes', because the plot revolves around the bullying a…
thank you for wording this so succinctly and thoughtfully because i was about to hurt their feelings 😭 a vast majority of bl enjoyers are queer themselves and we are only upset that the production erased the queer content that was originally part of the story.
Don't bother with the comments. They are a group with an agenda.
"group with an agenda" lmaooo great job parroting homophobic conservative rhetoric 😂 god forbid people express their disappointment with the production erasing an integral part of the story
Wait y'all still whining in the over there being no bl? Life's hard get a helmet guys.
i mean it's understandable that fans of the original manwha would be upset that such an important part of the story was completely erased? especially when mainstream lgbt representation in korea is so abysmal. There's literally hundreds of stories that they could've adapted if they didn't want to include lgbt content.
I feel bad for the actor playing Fang. Him and Tan are main characters but their relationship just started without…
yeah i was so upset that they got them together so quickly without much organic progression it felt kinda jarring like i missed an episode. i know fang was warming to him, but i didnt think he was necessarily in the place to accept his feelings. i'm hoping there's going to be more development for them down the line. i am begging GMM to give aouboom a show where they aren't just essentially side characters bc i feel like they have better chemistry than some pairings that get meatier roles
I'm sorry but Sea's acting is not giving a lot. Maybe it's because of the directing, lack of chemistry or simply…
i feel the same way and i think its probably a mix of both skill and directing. at this point in the story kang is supposed to be very reserved / closed off with his emotions which translates to him looking impassive and the lack of chemistry. kang's tsundere character type is often one that is hard for even more veteran actors to pull off because the performance calls for a lot of subtlety. ive honestly only seen it pulled off well a handful of times. i think the director should've made kang's character just a touch more eccentric to match moo's energy.
and once the writer sells the rights, the showrunners can do whatever they want- hence all the changes so i'm not gonna hold my breath
Erasing the queer parts of the story takes away a lot of nuance from the characters and completely changes the narrative of the story the writer had originally intended to tell. It's no longer a commentary on homophobia in conservative societies like south korea. Instead of being bullied for his sexuality, he's being bullied for being a "stalker" which does not only change the original narrative of the character, but also inadvertently paints lgbt individuals as creepy and perpetuates the "predatory" stigma members of the community may receive in a society that is already heavily homophobic.
take wedding impossible for example. That entire story hinges on the gay storyline and they still sidelined the character. He didn't get a love story like many of the other straight characters in the show who did (even though he was one of the leads)
that's why it's frustrating to see them adapt a queer work but erase the queer content. there are hundreds of stories they could've adapted that don't contain lgbt content, but they want to have their cake and eat it too.
hence my reasoning which is that they don't actually care about "power imbalances", they just have an issue with it being "BL". instead of just saying they don't want to see gays on TV with their chests, they try to gaslight others who are rightfully upset by saying things like "not every show has to be bl" or claiming that we're fetishists for wanting to see a queer story as it was originally written. The production could've adapted any number of stories, but they chose the gay one because queer love in korea sells like hotcakes as long as it's packaged in a subtextual heteronormative way (bromance)
first of all, the romance in the OG manwha was between the teenage version of YH and SK, not the 47 year old gangster so that argument doesn't even hold weight but even if it WAS this is a highly fantastical situation that would never happen in real life. S korea has adapted multiple heterosexual romances with the "transplanted soul" trope like goblin (which has the FL entering a relationship with an 1000 year old spirit) and it was one of the biggest k dramas ever. I'm not here to necessarily defend that type of relationship dynamic, but it's just so funny how straight romances can pull every trope under the sun for decades but it's suddenly a problem when it's gay. The double standard between straight media and queer media is highly apparent and is just another form of how homophobia pervades the entertainment industry,
anyways ill get off my soapbox now, i just wish some of these people would just be out and proud about their homophobia instead of hiding behind this performative ass display of concern for problematic relationship tropes
there are dozens of stories regarding bullying among korean youth they could've adapted, but they specifically chose a queer one. LGBT individuals deserve to see themselves represented in the mainstream, especially those living in more conservative societies like korea. Entertainment is a very powerful tool for enacting social change. judging from your responses you clearly have nothing to contribute to this conversation so i'll just leave it at that
it's just disappointing to see time and time again queer stories in south korea are still not valued in the mainstream. I had the same disappointment watching wedding impossible when the gay main character was sidelined for much of the show and not given a real love story (unlike many of the other straight characters in the cast)
this could've been a really cool step into bringing more queer stories into the mainstream but homophobia won.