i'm screaming people hating on kao suay for returning because of a sick father and trying to re connect with her ex 😠she's done nothing wrong. plawan is objectively a worse person and character as he's actively lying to oab and working with his enemy in order to con him out of his restaurant. let's be serious.
kinda love kluer for masterminding KS return and driving the wedge between wan and oab. they're playing checkers he's playing chess.
jj and methas continue to steal the show everything about their dynamic is so fun, i really hope to see them in another show together after this ends
Watch woke Hollywood stuff then. I love it that Kdrama doesn’t enforce on me some crappy political ideology,…
gay people are not "political" my existence is not "political" you weirdo we exist in every country on earth, korea included.
be warned everyone this is what happens when you have no friends and surround yourself with online echo chambers to compensate for being someone no one wants to be around
BOC cinematography is always top notch. I'm really enjoying all the characters so far and i love how there's already multiple storylines being drawn. My like one nitpick is that i do think the nc scene (while very well executed) was a touch uncomfortable since i was aware of fuiaz's age. did he have any nc scenes in DFF?
that aside the episode was a fun ride and i'm super excited for the next. do we know how many couples are in this? i hope job gets paired up with someone he's so cute he deserves love ðŸ˜
are there any gay characters in this kdrama or are they continuing the mainstream korean tradition of pretending they don't exist outside of punchlines? you cant claim to be the korean elite without the spicy homosexual content 😂
i usually dont care for bl's with cooking plots but i'm really enjoying this. i enjoy the dynamic between plawan and oab but i'm really here for jj and methas. there's something so delicious about their interactions. I know both couples are essentially enemies to lovers but jj/methas are much more fun to watch. also kluea is a cutie pie and i fear for the inevitable heartbreak to come for his one sided crush on wan. i wish we were getting two eps a week
i'm quite whelmed with this as an adaptation, watching the thai cherry magic i didnt feel like i was getting an uninspired remake, it still felt rather fresh. this one is shooting much closer to home. i wish they'd made it more their own. idk why the humor isn't hitting here when it did in MSP. even the soundtrack / cinematography seems quite low budget. i wish theyd used all the money from their multiple sponsors on an original production for gemfourth instead of spending it all on the rights for the story. if thailand wants to adapt other bls i wish theyd start with korea since almost all kbls suffer from lack of budget and time constraints.
that all being said, i still love watching gemfourth on screen. these two are so much better than these characters, we know they can deliver the acting and the chemistry yet the script is holding them back. even still, gemfourth still manage to be quite charming as these characters and thats what has me coming back every week. they really are such a perfect match
How tf? I like green flag characters the most yet Sol k just seems selfish and SO bland… probably the first…
i can ship him with whoever i want? it is not that serious. i don't actually think joe and sol are going to end up together, but the show introduced sol as a love interest / rival for a reason. part of the fun is shipping the characters with other people and the production knows that. they want the drama. the person joe loves is a megalomaniac so yeah i'm going to ship him with his sweet best friend instead
sol is not "using" joe's kindness. everything he's done for him is out of love or protection. he's never crossed the boundaries that joe's set, i don't think he's even so much as tried to kiss him. ming on the other hand is actually abusive on multiple levels so trying to insinuate that sol is somehow problematic while also shipping joe with ming is a riot
Sol is just boring af and he can't accept a no, but being clingy to a possible relationship that will never happen.…
he's not acting sweet and caring, he is sweet and caring. You don't have to like him as a character, but he's only ever done things out of an instinct to either protect or love joe. Sol has always respected joe's boundaries. we're aware he harbors romantic feelings for Joe, so his actions can have inherent romantic motivations, but he's never done anything to hurt him.
ming however is literally one of the reasons Joe died. im all for a well written gray character, but ming is barely that. he's done nothing to show us that he's worthy of joe's love other than pay his rent
How tf? I like green flag characters the most yet Sol k just seems selfish and SO bland… probably the first…
"yall forcing this ship cuz of ming" well yes! ming abuses him physically and emotionally. Not to mention he was one of the reasons Joe died in the first place. Joe and ming have great chemistry but i'm sorry there is no world that i genuinely want them together. It's not even a case of matching each other's freak like vegaspete joe is literally a just a victim.
the thing is if sol was the ML in any other bl people would see him as confident caring and sweet, but because he's the 2ML there's a negative stigma that comes with his actions in him trying to "break up" the main couple. he's not doing anything that dozens of other MLs that came before him haven't
i dont mind rooting for gray characters or problematic couples in a vacuum, but context matters and ming has no redeeming qualities as of yet. he's still selfish and cruel. he's shown very little character growth
I think the writing for Joe is on point, there are people like that in real life. In the first episodes, when…
oh i love the writing for joe as well, it's very realistic. In real life abuse victims do go back to their abusers. it all has to do with the cycle of abuse. i think joe is written well in the sense that it's clear he knows how bad ming is but he is a victim of abuse and as someone who clearly was lacking love growing up, is attached to the idea of someone wanting him. it's very human
i just think the writing for ming is more dynamic and fun is all. he's less predictable yet still does things entirely in character and i can see the story taking his arc in multiple different directions.
I was absolutely on board with bromance and everything, but the last episode is pissing me off. Like it's fine…
i mean it doesn't matter if the rapist has 1 scene or 20 he's still employed and promoted by the production. it's ridiculous and embarassing that korea is at a place in society where literal rapists are allowed to succeed in this industry but queer content is seen as controversial.
you can rationalize the decision to remove the queer content from the story all you want, it doesn't make it any less homophobic. The queer content in the story wasn't any more graphic than anything you see in mainstream k dramas. South korea has the freedom to make queer content unlike the censored adaptations coming out of china- its apples and oranges.
and yeah i was upset with mr queen as well. korea is very scared of normalizing queer identities. thailand legalizing gay marriage is a huge win, but there's still such an uphill battle in getting equal representation in the queer community across asia, which is why so many of us are rightfully upset with the decision to adapt a gay novel and censor it.
Are you an idiot or what's wrong with you? I really like the BL genre, but it was good that they didn't put romance…
in the novel the romance is not between SK and the 47 year old man in YH body so none of this even matters. even if it WAS, korea has adapted dozens of straight dramas with this soul switching trope and the vast majority of people do not care. it's unfair to hold queer stories to different standards
I was absolutely on board with bromance and everything, but the last episode is pissing me off. Like it's fine…
"but its fine with 50yr KDP going on dates with 19yr old girls??"
this is exactly what so many of us have been saying . The problem the producers had was never the "age gap" being inappropriate it was solely the gay content, but when posters here pointed that out we were gaslit. the literal only reason this was changed to bromance is homophobia. It's fine to enjoy the show (i still did!) but we should still acknowledge the homophobia surrounding the production and not try to justify it
like why would the production care about something like an age gap when there is a literal rapist among the cast
god i just want joe and sol to sail into the sunset together and live happily ever after. Sol is a ray of sunshine and ming is a dark rolling storm cloud. i get that they want us to feel second lead syndrome but usually the ML has some redeeming qualities but ming is absolutely insane i need him in a straitjacket. up is doing such a good job playing him, and i think the writing for ming is much better than the writing for joe
sigh, I understand that some fans are excited about the potential relationships in the drama, but let's be realistic.…
see that's exactly the problem with removing the queer content as it was intended, the entire narrative arc of the story is changed.
in the OG manwha, Sekyung likes Yiheon and while YH's body is inhabited by DP, the audience is aware that any interaction between them is platonic. if SK's actions towards the DP inhabited YH read as romantic, we have the context of knowing it's because he liked the original YH, and that the affection DP shows him in return are much more protective and paternal in nature (as he is a stand in for SK's awful father)
Which brings us to the problem of the production erasing the queer content for the live action. Now not only is there much more ambiguity regarding the characters actions (as the audience isn't entirely aware of all the context behind the characters and their motivations), but the production itself still wants to sell this show to the BL fans, so the dynamic between SK and the DP inhabited YH can now be interpreted as romance to people who aren't familiar with the manwha.
People familiar with the manwha are aware of all the dynamics and motivations behind the characters and their actions, but people just watching the drama are missing a major piece of the puzzle, which is YH and SK's queer identities and how they tie in to the overall narrative of the story.
As someone who never read the manwhua, it would be confusing to see people rooting for a BL relationship between…
yeah it's a story that really humanizes the queer adolescent experience of insecurity and ostracism and translates it in a way that is easy to emphasize with. To see it adapted for a mainstream korean audience would've been major, so it's just really frustrating to see it censored like this. so many queer stories in the mainstream are tragic or lack happy endings, and this one not only had a really sweet romance but a super fun premise. sadly homophobia won.
kinda love kluer for masterminding KS return and driving the wedge between wan and oab. they're playing checkers he's playing chess.
jj and methas continue to steal the show everything about their dynamic is so fun, i really hope to see them in another show together after this ends
be warned everyone this is what happens when you have no friends and surround yourself with online echo chambers to compensate for being someone no one wants to be around
that aside the episode was a fun ride and i'm super excited for the next. do we know how many couples are in this? i hope job gets paired up with someone he's so cute he deserves love ðŸ˜
that all being said, i still love watching gemfourth on screen. these two are so much better than these characters, we know they can deliver the acting and the chemistry yet the script is holding them back. even still, gemfourth still manage to be quite charming as these characters and thats what has me coming back every week. they really are such a perfect match
sol is not "using" joe's kindness. everything he's done for him is out of love or protection. he's never crossed the boundaries that joe's set, i don't think he's even so much as tried to kiss him. ming on the other hand is actually abusive on multiple levels so trying to insinuate that sol is somehow problematic while also shipping joe with ming is a riot
ming however is literally one of the reasons Joe died. im all for a well written gray character, but ming is barely that. he's done nothing to show us that he's worthy of joe's love other than pay his rent
the thing is if sol was the ML in any other bl people would see him as confident caring and sweet, but because he's the 2ML there's a negative stigma that comes with his actions in him trying to "break up" the main couple. he's not doing anything that dozens of other MLs that came before him haven't
i dont mind rooting for gray characters or problematic couples in a vacuum, but context matters and ming has no redeeming qualities as of yet. he's still selfish and cruel. he's shown very little character growth
i just think the writing for ming is more dynamic and fun is all. he's less predictable yet still does things entirely in character and i can see the story taking his arc in multiple different directions.
you can rationalize the decision to remove the queer content from the story all you want, it doesn't make it any less homophobic. The queer content in the story wasn't any more graphic than anything you see in mainstream k dramas. South korea has the freedom to make queer content unlike the censored adaptations coming out of china- its apples and oranges.
and yeah i was upset with mr queen as well. korea is very scared of normalizing queer identities. thailand legalizing gay marriage is a huge win, but there's still such an uphill battle in getting equal representation in the queer community across asia, which is why so many of us are rightfully upset with the decision to adapt a gay novel and censor it.
this is exactly what so many of us have been saying . The problem the producers had was never the "age gap" being inappropriate it was solely the gay content, but when posters here pointed that out we were gaslit. the literal only reason this was changed to bromance is homophobia. It's fine to enjoy the show (i still did!) but we should still acknowledge the homophobia surrounding the production and not try to justify it
like why would the production care about something like an age gap when there is a literal rapist among the cast
in the OG manwha, Sekyung likes Yiheon and while YH's body is inhabited by DP, the audience is aware that any interaction between them is platonic. if SK's actions towards the DP inhabited YH read as romantic, we have the context of knowing it's because he liked the original YH, and that the affection DP shows him in return are much more protective and paternal in nature (as he is a stand in for SK's awful father)
Which brings us to the problem of the production erasing the queer content for the live action. Now not only is there much more ambiguity regarding the characters actions (as the audience isn't entirely aware of all the context behind the characters and their motivations), but the production itself still wants to sell this show to the BL fans, so the dynamic between SK and the DP inhabited YH can now be interpreted as romance to people who aren't familiar with the manwha.
People familiar with the manwha are aware of all the dynamics and motivations behind the characters and their actions, but people just watching the drama are missing a major piece of the puzzle, which is YH and SK's queer identities and how they tie in to the overall narrative of the story.