So many small moments to treasure along the way. I am just remembering when GongSun visits the Fan house for the first time -- she asks GS if he is a friend to YZ and he says "I thought so but...now I find out he didnt tell me he was getting married." To which she says, "oh it was so sudden" (the marriage, so YZ didnt have time to tell GS about it), and adds -- "I begged him to marry me."
And GongSun says to himself with his wonderful funny little ironic/wry look, "So all those other noble high-born ladies had to do was...ask!" (paraphrasing a lot here)
I didnt expect that this war sequence would have such a swooping rom-com arc built in. I was ready for ridiculous coincidences, butterflies and the ongoing sneeze joke, but now: imperial Princess runs wild! CY tosses her up the path like a sack of potatoes! The blue hair ribbon without spooky music lifts itself up! and trails away to slip into the window grille of the tent where the Marquis is sleeping incognito amongst the wounded soldiers!
The entire lower rank of the camp dotes on CY and knows she has found her Yan Zheng. The entire upper echelon of the camp protects the Marquis and knows that he has found his wife again. The lovers meet in a liminal space into which subordinate characters burst for comic relief.
And then we have the Henry-the-V allusions ongoing, chief among them being walking-the-perimeter-of-the-sleeping-camp patrol which precedes the most ridiculous and ridiculously perfect moment under a full moon.
Shadow puppetry will never be the same. The smell of a tangerine peel candy starts a shadow play where the two lovers separated only by a tent flap and somehow casting their shadows from 2 directions, almost touch their shadow hands, until a phantom wind blows out the lights.
EP24 amazing. Fun, beautiful, but yet did not feel like a whiplash from the dam bursting, the horrific mansion with its creepy secrets and the massacre of Linan..... How do the director and his team hit that perfect balance between such different tonal elements!!!!?????? Wow. Just wow.
I am getting very close to the m*********e word, which should not be said until the large lady warbles into the darkness.
Just starting but I will say, in response to the criticism of Meng Zi Yi's Dhou Zhao, that she reminds me of Gulnezar Bektiar's work in the Hou Ming Hao "Glory". The FL was also was very reserved because she was a powerful businessperson. Same line of thought?
I was impressed to start with by the skills she listed as part of every noblewoman's life. Hard work, that.
The writer Jia Bin Bin, did Flourished Peony, the director is the same as Pursuit of Jade which I am watching now --Zeng Qing Jie. What are his trademarks? the shots around corners? who is his cinematographer? Li Yun Rui looks like he is doing his stunts without wires?
So true. We need to understand that everything shown in a drama/movie is not something inspirational, not promoting…
Thanks @nolatoo and @Ti02 for saying something measured and thoughtful. An interesting topic (QM and QQ) which seems to constantly veer too close to coming off the rails. The big issues, art, entertainment, fiction and feelings, are often sort of background presences to this, our fun time to talk and shriek. Your comments recenter the group talk around storytelling.
What historical drama is connected to physical reality? So you think most people falling off cliffs would survive?…
It took me a while to get over the smell element too. And pig blood probably smells a lot like human blood? The one thing which I thought should be clear is this. Soldiers dont mind the smell of blood, technically. They are used to it. I expected our two to at least discuss what they have in common. I got over it and went with the flow --if she can lift dead weight without a belt then she can keep her house supernaturally clean, fine with me.
I think the actors, Deng Kai and Snow Kang must have some special charisma, because the more I see of QiMin and QianQian the more tragic they seem -- meaning I am starting to really feel sorry for them, how did that happen? All that tying each other up and saving each other starts to blend together. I agree with those who are having that 'in another drama' feeling. 'In another world' maybe...
Guys, Can you please write down your favor dramas related to this types specifically Historical,wuxia etc genre…
Joy of Life, diff director/writer, but there are 2 of them and soon to be 3! The romance is minor. The same hero-fantasy structure as POJ, interesting for that. Love in the Clouds, romantic equality.
The rescue of changning could have been more explosive. They should have given more fight scenes, than some fillers…
I dont remember Unfamiliar Stranger very well, but it was clear to me then that the director has a certain territory of the extremes of human behavior that he is interested in, and the QiMin/QianQian story seems to have been fleshed out or shaped with that in mind?
I was just thinking how similar xz and qm are. Both of their lives where upended because of what happened 17 yrs…
Same. They both lost their mothers to suicide, although for different reasons I think, not sure. I like the way subsidiary characters can reflect back to the main leads story . Echoes and harmonies, contrasts and disharmonies.
ep22-3 Thank goodness for the return of Mr.Zhao, and his new relationship with Grand Tutor Tao. Thank heavens Tao has showed up to prepare CY for her life as a military leader.
It is nice to have a drama separate out the 'literacy' piece about leaders. Because CY can barely read it seemed impossible for her to navigate the snooty ranks of the scholar bureaucrats. But if the only thing they actually use Mencius etc for really is to use allegorical examples and sayings to communicate with each other, then ChangYu is perfectly capable of memorizing whatever is needed.
We have yet to see her 'commanding' any number of troops beyond the Northwest Pig-Slaughtering Band, or actually using her slaughtering skills on human beings.
The one unspoken bond the Marquis and she share is that they are both used to killing. The jump from fighting only in self-defense to killing lots of human beings at one time is one she hasnt really made so far. Instead she has protected the helpless and freed countless children from captivity. So far. I am curious about if becoming a soldier will change her character.
Ep 18 rewatch =-- The lack of perception on the part of the FL is beyond belief -- the rebel Prince's son tells you he thinks you are married to the Marquis, well maybe not in the middle of slaughter and sack but later on in camp she surely had a minute to think about it. But oh no.
And Li Huai An! In Ep 20-1, it is one thing to hope that the Marquis will get killed in action and then he (Li) can swoop in, but does that justify not letting her know YZ = "the General"? He is being extremely unethical -- and his character is the one who believes in ethics!
Why are we concentrating on the cowardly ML as a' liar'? He is afraid to face up to his own faults so he is afraid to face her. And all of his men are behaving like a bunch of gossipy old ladies -- delighted that he is in absurd marital trouble but afraid to cross him even to help the couple out...
I am just remembering when GongSun visits the Fan house for the first time -- she asks GS if he is a friend to YZ and he says "I thought so but...now I find out he didnt tell me he was getting married."
To which she says, "oh it was so sudden" (the marriage, so YZ didnt have time to tell GS about it), and adds -- "I begged him to marry me."
And GongSun says to himself with his wonderful funny little ironic/wry look, "So all those other noble high-born ladies had to do was...ask!"
(paraphrasing a lot here)
The entire lower rank of the camp dotes on CY and knows she has found her Yan Zheng. The entire upper echelon of the camp protects the Marquis and knows that he has found his wife again. The lovers meet in a liminal space into which subordinate characters burst for comic relief.
And then we have the Henry-the-V allusions ongoing, chief among them being walking-the-perimeter-of-the-sleeping-camp patrol which precedes the most ridiculous and ridiculously perfect moment under a full moon.
Shadow puppetry will never be the same. The smell of a tangerine peel candy starts a shadow play where the two lovers separated only by a tent flap and somehow casting their shadows from 2 directions, almost touch their shadow hands, until a phantom wind blows out the lights.
amazing. Fun, beautiful, but yet did not feel like a whiplash from the dam bursting, the horrific mansion with its creepy secrets and the massacre of Linan.....
How do the director and his team hit that perfect balance between such different tonal elements!!!!?????? Wow. Just wow.
I am getting very close to the m*********e word, which should not be said until the large lady warbles into the darkness.
I was impressed to start with by the skills she listed as part of every noblewoman's life. Hard work, that.
An interesting topic (QM and QQ) which seems to constantly veer too close to coming off the rails.
The big issues, art, entertainment, fiction and feelings, are often sort of background presences to this, our fun time to talk and shriek. Your comments recenter the group talk around storytelling.
I got over it and went with the flow --if she can lift dead weight without a belt then she can keep her house supernaturally clean, fine with me.
I agree with those who are having that 'in another drama' feeling. 'In another world' maybe...
Love in the Clouds, romantic equality.
I like the way subsidiary characters can reflect back to the main leads story . Echoes and harmonies, contrasts and disharmonies.
Thank goodness for the return of Mr.Zhao, and his new relationship with Grand Tutor Tao. Thank heavens Tao has showed up to prepare CY for her life as a military leader.
It is nice to have a drama separate out the 'literacy' piece about leaders. Because CY can barely read it seemed impossible for her to navigate the snooty ranks of the scholar bureaucrats. But if the only thing they actually use Mencius etc for really is to use allegorical examples and sayings to communicate with each other, then ChangYu is perfectly capable of memorizing whatever is needed.
We have yet to see her 'commanding' any number of troops beyond the Northwest Pig-Slaughtering Band, or actually using her slaughtering skills on human beings.
The one unspoken bond the Marquis and she share is that they are both used to killing. The jump from fighting only in self-defense to killing lots of human beings at one time is one she hasnt really made so far. Instead she has protected the helpless and freed countless children from captivity. So far. I am curious about if becoming a soldier will change her character.
And Li Huai An! In Ep 20-1, it is one thing to hope that the Marquis will get killed in action and then he (Li) can swoop in, but does that justify not letting her know YZ = "the General"? He is being extremely unethical -- and his character is the one who believes in ethics!
Why are we concentrating on the cowardly ML as a' liar'? He is afraid to face up to his own faults so he is afraid to face her. And all of his men are behaving like a bunch of gossipy old ladies -- delighted that he is in absurd marital trouble but afraid to cross him even to help the couple out...