jaydeejay

I agree! I could see this issue being brought between the two, but *how* it was brought is the problem for me. It feels random? And leans a little too much on the side of Creating Drama For The Sake of Drama. I honestly don't mind when that happens from time to time, but of course it has to work.

I think the issue lies in the fact that we were also unaware of the scholarship. Some stories are written so that we go into the adventure mostly blind and clueless like the main character. This show, however, is written so that audience knows like 98% of what's going on; the characters themselves aren't aware of what we know, of course. I'm perfectly fine with either writing styles, but they both can have flaws. In this case, I believe that we should've gotten a hint about the scholarship thing possibly way back in S1- hell, maybe towards the end of S1? It could be the first real indicator that there are communication issues with the two of them, and then S2 brings all of that to light. It would've made it so that bringing it up now wouldn't have felt so random.

I think what Kit wanted from Mark was for Mark to fight him back against the idea of going. For some people, this is like...proof? That the other person cares because they're fighting back? I've never grew to understand this type of logic, but I do know that this is a gross tactic to use on someone. It's a trope I've seen in romance stories and I never liked it.

And yeah! I thought I was the only one, to be very honest, who wasn't quite on board the MarkKit Train: I noticed their relationship was kind off from the get go. Seemingly a little too perfect. If they learned to communicate better, they could work, definitely! But as they were and currently are, n'ah.
I do agree that "absence makes the heart grow fonder" may be able to work for them. We'll see!

I also forgot Bank and Pon were in TMS. When I saw it was them in TMS, I was a little disappointed. Only because I would like for the both of them to be in a story where not only does their characters end up together, but most importantly: Bank's character doesn't do something weird for once lol

I get the confusion, and tbvh, I was initially confused and frustrated with ep5.

But the idea of Gen Y is that none of these characters are your standard, borderline perfect characters you see in a lot BLs where a character may have one or two flaws that're usually swept under the rug. So, if you look at it that way, as characters with very real, human flaws, then a lot of the actions make sense. Are they frustrating at times? Absolutely. But then again, that's also a very human reaction to have when someone does something frustrating, right?

So with MarkKit, their issue, in my opinion, is that they seemed to be perfect for each other and seeming had little to no issues. But in reality, they've had some underlying problems that were never properly addressed. Basically: Kit is prone to being manipulative and Mark, who can be firm at times, easily bends to Kit's demands. This is highlighted when Kit gets heated in episode 2. Mark clearly feels bad about Wayu not knowing about Pha's situation and wants to tell him. Kit, on the other hand, is very against it purely based off of his own guilt (feeling bad about not listening to Pha that one time in S1 and now knowing he's dying) and his own very firm beliefs in his own assumptions that Thanu and Wayu will more than likely breakup if they hear the news. Instead of arguing his case, Mark chooses to apologizes to him and say Kit's right and that he won't tell Wayu. Which is a problem.

So with all of that being said, the incident in episode 5 shouldn't be too surprising. Kit, like Pha, has hidden information in fear of their loved one's reaction and the both of them make heavy assumptions about other people without even bothering to consult that person. Kit assumed that Mark wouldn't be able to handle the news, so his solution was to hide it from him. Mark, when he finds out, tells Kit to go ahead and that it's a great idea! However, when you look at his expression, you can tell he's forcing himself to be super happy about it. He's, once again, not stating how he really feels and is instead saying what he thinks would make Kit happy.
Kit has a habit of not really stating how he feels; we see this when he has that conversation with Pha about how he really loves Mark but can't really bring himself to say it directly to him. We also see this in small instances where he acts like he doesn't like it when Mark does little flirty things, but in reality, we, and sometimes Mark, can tell he loves it. So that mixed with other issues Kit has, it isn't surprising that instead of just telling Mark how he feels, he opts to get very passive aggressive and basically walk off. There are people out there who expect others to be some kind of mind reader and know exactly how they think and feel without proper expressing themselves. And when you don't understand them because, of course, you can't read their minds, they get upset. It's wild and can be quite manipulative.

Not to say that Mark and Kit don't love each other. They absolutely do! But they fail at actually communicating properly with each other.

Yes, I agree! I also don't think Phai really understands his own feelings either. I'm reeaaaaally hoping there's a scene when it hits him. I also would love to have more Phai scenes in general, but especially diving into his feelings about everything going on. How is he really handling all of this?

I also agree with the idea that Saendee loves him too! Maybe he thinks he doesn't deserve Phai because of how nice he is and he's very aware of how wild he himself can be, so he wants to make Phai happy any other way he can. That's my current headcanon at the moment anyway, haha. I think this type of love would be very interesting to explore. It would also make Saendee feel a little more human- not to say he doesn't already, but I fear they may push his evilness so far that it starts feeling unrealistic and relatable and wounds up feeling clownish.

That's an interesting view on Phai's romantic interests!

Here's how I see Phai's interests: so, Thanu's never dated anyone and I think it's safe to say Phai hasn't either. Typically, people who've never dated/experience their first love usually fall for overly romanticized tropes; in this case, it's the theme of destiny bringing two people together. From their brief interactions, the lack of getting to know each other, and comments they'd make, I understood them as two people who thought they had feelings for each other, but maybe they never did. Maybe they had feelings for the idea of each other, not the reality- an infatuation, if you will. There's even a point where Phai doesn't really seem all that interested in Thanu/the situation anymore, but Saendee kind of pushes him to keep going. I think that Phai probably has little romantic feelings for Thanu left- if he even had them to begin with.
However, with Saendee, it's quite different, I think. Phai has been friends with Saendee, presumably, for some time now. so they definitely had a chance to develop feelings for each other. There are two moments in S1 when they look at each other and, based off of the closeups and choice of music edited onto the scene, we can get a pretty good idea that they may be into each other. This is never explored however because then Thanu came into the picture and he grabbed Phai's attention.

From all of that (sorry for rambling on lol), I believe that a good part of the reason why Phai is still holding out hope for Saendee is because he actually does have unexplored feelings for him. It's a common idea that love makes you say and do stupid stuff, and I feel like that is a pretty big theme in this show; Phai's willingness to believe Saendee would coincides with that, I think.
If any of this turns out to be true, then I'm very curious to see how Saendee and Phai end up together, or if they even do.

Also! About Kit and Mark: too true. I thought it was very odd when they decided to get together in S1. It felt like it was too soon for them. It didn't feel like they really knew each other or fully grasped the type of people they are. Which made me go "Uh-oh...." when they declared their relationship.
And then we get the scene in S2 when they argued over telling Wayu about Pha. It definitely showcased how little Kit grew- even Mark to an extent.

And I have seen my fair share of relationships where people jump in way too quick and then it starts crumbling.
I'm very curious to see how things will mend between the two of them especially, because like you said, they clearly do love and care for each other.

Ohhhh my god, you're comments are refreshing to read!
I feel like you've hit the nail on the head at multiple points, but especially about PokTong, Phai, and Kit.

That's basically the reason why I find PokTong interesting: it's toxic and because of their clear inexperience with romance and just simply being young mixed with this rough situation they're in, they don't quite catch that. I've also seen romances similar to this growing up, and PokTong reminds me of them, reminds me of how real it can be. Like you said, it's inexcusable, but understandable.

As for Phai, ever since season 1, he's given me Very Nice Boy vibes, but also possibly too nice that he could honestly be a push over. Him having so much faith in Saendee and still worrying about him despite all of the crazy things he's done and is going to do is not surprising with Phai's character whatsoever. It's also the reason why, as you've stated, that the both of being together in the end wouldn't surprise me either. Also, from a writing standpoint: having at least one good guy who still believes in the villain is so much fun to see. It gives the audience a chance to step back and think "Well, if this good guy thinks the evil bad guy redeemable, then maybe...there's something there?"

And YES the show does feel like a soap opera with how dramatic it is, but that's honestly why I enjoy it so much. I also enjoy the exploration of the toxic/unhealthy sides of relationships and the inner turmoil people feel when they are in these very real situations. It's also why I can't bring myself to hate any of the characters and a lot of the choices they make: a lot of their reasons and thought processes are understandable and sometimes justifiable. Do some of them annoy the crap out of me with their choices? Yes, but I don't hate them for it. It's different from most of BL/yaoi stories out there where they don't really explore that.

But yes, great comment!

You're correct in stating that Pha asked Kit not to tell Wayu. However, during the scene when Kit and Mark have that moment in episode 2 about whether or not they should tell Wayu, Kit states a couple of things: 1) Pha's already done enough to keep it a secret from Wayu, so why waste his efforts 2) after stating that he promised Pha that he wouldn't tell, he mentions how he felt guilty about being unable to do the one thing Pha asked him to do last season, which was to bring Wayu to him and 3) this news could very well break up Thanu and Wayu.

You could absolutely say that, sure, he's keeping it a secret because of confidentiality, but that it is not correct nor is it the point. Based off of what he says in this scene, it's fairly obvious that he isn't doing it out of some doctoral moral obligation: he's doing it out of guilt and this heavy assumption that Thanu and Wayu will break up. I personally do not believe that in situations like this situation, it's fair to keep Wayu or anyone else really, in the dark. Keeping Wayu in the dark is what fucked over Pha's relationship with him in the first place. His unfairly jumping to conclusions that Wayu won't and can't handle it. Sometimes we do and/or say things *we* think is best for someone, but in reality it's not. There's this constant theme of keeping Wayu in the dark without even asking if he wants to be kept there to be there in the first place.

Also, I personally don't think anyone should tell Wayu about Pha's illness except Pha himself. I don't think it's fair to forcefully put that weight onto someone else, so no, I didn't it want it to be Kit or Mark or whomever else. I understand where Pha is coming from, absolutely! But I don't think it's right to make those assumptions about Wayu for Wayu. If anything, someone could tell Wayu that, "hey, something's up with Pha. Let me take you to him" and then Pha explains it. Or if Pha gives that person the okay to tell him for him because he's seriously too scared to, then having that agreement is okay as well.

Also, your note about Kit not being Wayu's friend is definitely not true. If he wasn't, then he wouldn't give a damn about this news potentially breaking Thanu and Wayu up. He wouldn't have these little tender moments with Wayu that we see from time to time. He wouldn't keep up with him and his life- and we see all throughout the show doing otherwise. Sure, he isn't Wayu's *best* friend, but he's a guy who cares about Wayu- a friend. I don't know, maybe our definitions of what friends vary, but I think it's fairly clear that's what they are.

EDIT: Oh, and about the scholarship thing: I don't mind that he asked Pha for advice first, I honestly don't. But it seems as though he didn't have plans to tell Mark either at all or until it was possibly too late. The reason why I think this is because so far, we the audience know just about everything that's going on. Something like Kit having a scholarship is something we definitely would've know, and yet the writers purposefully hid that from us; I feel like this choice emphasizes how much a secret it was to Kit. Kit and Pha are similar in this way with all of the making assumptions and hiding things that shouldn't be hidden. Kit worrying about Mark and their relationship and how it might not survive with him moving else where is perfectly valid. But, just like Pha, he's jumping to conclusions without even asking Mark how he really feels. *That's* the issue I have with it.

YES.

I forgot to mention that, but that's SO important to note: Kit's continuation of hiding important information from people just because *he* thinks they can't handle it. And the fact that Mark only knew because he heard it indirectly.

Ever since the little argument they had when Mark wanted to tell Wayu about Pha- hell, since before that, probably- I started seeing MarkKit as less and less cute. I hope they address this issue instead of brushing it aside.

After Wayu faints and Thanu leaves the clinic, he runs into Jack and Koh. Jack shows up first and says he has a stomachache from eating cold stuff the night before. And then, Koh shows up and coincidently, also has the same ailment due to the same cause. Thanu gives them a look of "I see right through y'all lol" and Jack and Koh proceed to bicker a bit amongst themselves saying that there's no way they just so happen to eat at the same restaurant and eating the same thing. Nope. Nu-uh. Thanu leaves them be, giving them a little smirk, and once he's gone, Koh says something like "I told you we shouldn't've eaten that last night!" and something else. Basically confirming that they've been hanging out. It was a cute moment, haha. They, of course, have a little "it's KohJack, not JackKoh!" moment as well.

There is! I'll put it under a spoiler below.

Little review time! I'm just writing out my initial thoughts on this episode, so my apologies if this is messy.

Basically: this episode is easily the weakest one in the whole show for the whole ThanuWayuPha situation and for MarkKit. Usually it's the PokTong scenes that're the messiest and MarkKit scenes that're the easiest to watch for most people. But the did a complete 180 in this episode- which I don't mind! Switching things up can be good. But not with how they chose to switch things up this episode.

TL;DR: The whole MarkKit and ThanuWayuPha moments were one giant cluster of "For the love of god and my sanity, talk to each other. Like, have actual conversations, PLEASE." Thanu and Wayu need to talk and so do Mark and Kit. Like, if Kit felt like he was being pushed out by Mark, then just say it instead of just going along with it in some passive aggressive manner. If Thanu feels bad/guilty about pursuing his love interest while his best friend/said love interest's ex is ill, then he needs to talk about it with the right person- which would be Wayu. Not to say these moments aren't unrealistic; they very much are realistic. The lack of communication does, to some extent, make sense amongst all of the hard stuff they're going through. But instead of it feeling relatable/understandable, it came off as them just trying to add more drama. Which sucks.

Below are my full thoughts (I tried breaking them up into sections):

---Let's start with the easiest bit: PokTong.
Things between them are tense and awkward, which is to be expected. I do think it's interesting that they still chose to sit next to each other at the table, though. I always understood PokTong as this tug of war between their true desire/how they truly feel and what they think they should feel and all of the confusion that comes with it. I think having them sit next to each other despite that bullshit that happened last episode kinda hints at that.
I'm VERY glad they're keeping up with this little drama between Pok and the other teammate. I initially thought it was just the one teammate, but to see it's a group of them....YIKES. My theory was that Saendee told them, with some proof, that Pok cheated his way into this university and that's why they're mad at him. But it'd be fine and make sense, if it was just plain jealousy they felt towards Pok.

--Speaking of Saendee: seeing Saendee look dead serious after talking to Phai was very interesting. The last couple of times we've seen him talk to Phai, he'd smile at least a little, but this time, he dropped the act. Him not showing up this epsisode except for the this one bit is fine by me. The rest of the episode is basically showing how what he's been saying is finally unraveling.

--Now the whole ThanuWayuPha fiasco:
I was hoping that Thanu would be the one to tell Wayu about Pha. If there was going to be one more person who knows what's going on, but refused to tell Wayu for whatever reason, I honestly would've lost my shit. I don't think it would've made sense to have Thanu not tell Wayu on account of everything he saw when people (including himself) kept hiding important information from him. So kudos to Thanu for that.
Wayu seemingly spending a lot of time with Pha wasn't surprising to me and makes a lot of sense. I did like the bit where Mark asked him if he was spending time with him out of love or sympathy- I'll get back to this remark in a second.
I was hoping to see Wayu get some level of upset with Mark and Kit for hiding the fact that they've been known Pha was sick and didn't bother to tell him. By the way, Kit's reasons for not telling Wayu are bullshit, in my opinion. He can feel how he feels about the situation, sure, but it doesn't mean that it was right for him to make the decision. Maybe we'll get a scene later once everything chills out where Wayu approaching Mark and Kit about it. Who knows.
Now, I'm very curious about what Thanu and Pha talked about. I'm hoping it wasn't Pha asking Thanu to "return" Wayu back to him (like he's some kind of object). I mean, it could be interesting and I can see him doing that on account of how he's been trying to basically control things here and there around Wayu: hiding the fact that he's dying, sending someone to look after him, telling Kit and Mark not to tell Wayu- things like that. Especially now that this new medicine seems to be working for him maybe, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to pull a situation where Pha's now better and healed and is wanting Wayu back.
Now, Wayu's confusion about whether he should stay with Pha or Thanu...It makes sense. I've seen this happen before, and as Mark said: is he spending all this time with Pha because of love or sympathy- or even guilt? I think it's guilt. I think this compounded with Pha potentially wanting Wayu back could honestly make for good drama. BUT, severely depending on how they handle it, it could be too much and possibly nonsensical.

Wayu not talking to Thanu and Thanu keeping his distance makes some sense but like....for the love of god, just talk to each other PLEASE. I hate when miscommunication is poorly used to build drama- and it's used A LOT in BLs. Drives me nuts. I'm kind of okay with them giving each other some space to process the whole Pha thing, but not if it drags on for a long time after.

--Now for the biggest "What The Fuck" moment: MarkKit.
So as we suspected in the last week, Kit is maybe planning on leaving Thailand. I had assumed that he would do so to be by Pha's side while he gets treatment or whatever. It came out that he might leave because he got a scholarship to America to study abroad.
Now, I have no issues with this trope where a couple breaks up because of something like having to study abroad or whatever. It's very realistic; a lot of people can't handle long distance relationships, and for them, it's best to break up and *maybe* rejoin later on. However, in the context of a fictional story, in my opinion, it has to make sense. I mentioned before that in Don't Say No, they did used this trope and it made a lot of sense for both characters.
But with MarkKit? Mark being the one who's maddeningly in love with Kit? The guy I can absolutely see making an effort to try a long distance relationship? The guy who's been perfectly fine with not really being able to have time with his boyfriend because his boyfriend is understandably worried about his ill best friend? N'ah. No, I don't see him wanting to break up with Kit over something like studying abroad. Hell, he even says that there's advanced technology where they can video chat and all of that! So tell me why the hell did they end up breaking up? Maybe I misunderstood the scene, but it seemed like things were fine, but then Kit got upset, started packing his stuff, and then leaving and- *what*. What is happening? Maybe I need to rewatch the scene...
However, another thing about this scene is that this is basically Mark's first time disagreeing with Kit, right? Like, up until this point, Mark would agree/do as Kit says: Mark wanted to tell Wayu about Pha and Kit whined and said no, so Mark listened. Mark hated the fact that Thanu wanted to dodge Wayu in that one part in season 1, but Kit told him to chill, listen to Thanu. And when Kit agreed to help Thanu, Mark did too. It seems like even though Kit wanted to take this scholarship, maybe he wanted Mark to like, idk, beg him to stay? And Mark instead agreed that he should absolutely accept it. I think them finally having a moment where things don't exactly go as Kit wants is very interesting and something I've been wanting because I was getting sick of Mark just doing whatever Kit wanted for the most part- which isn't healthy, in my opinion. But to have this happen for this scene...I don't think was a good choice.

All-in-all, a disappointing episode save for the PokTong moments which there was less of than usual. I mean, I'm still going to watch this show, don't get me wrong; I do like this show a lot! And it's common to have an episode in a series where it's just Not Good (like ep9 of Bad Buddy...omg). But that was quite a bump in the road if you ask me.

It should be In the list of episodes. I have VIP, so I'm able to see them, but I don't know if non-VIP members can see them? I'll link them here:

Special Episode (BTS scenes) #2. It shows up after episode 3, but has spoilers for ep4. I recommend watching it after ep4
https://www.iq.com/play/gen-y-the-series-season-2-1lsznke6ci4?lang=en_us

Special Episode (BTS scenes) #3. Can be watched before or after ep5:
https://www.iq.com/play/gen-y-the-series-season-2-aph73uv128?lang=en_us

Here's the link:
https://www.iq.com/play/gen-y-the-series-season-2-episode-5-ydnygo3v3c?lang=en_us

There were two Special Episodes (I believe they are VIP only) prior to ep5. I recommend watching both after ep4.

The timer on here has been wrong since before the show came out. I don't know if there's a way to fix it, but the episodes come out on Tuesdays at 23:00/11pm in Thailand!

YES That's the biggest issue I have with the show and this episode. Sure, I think it was a cute lil episode, but I don't feel any pressure or worry for the characters because, so far, the writers have made it so that we honestly don't have to feel very little to no stress for them. They showed us already that a good amount of characters (basically everyone tbvh) have already accepted and moved on or weren't phased at all by the news of them dating. So then why should the audience stress out about their parents finding out? If they keep going with same patterns as they have been up to this point, then, yeah, their parents wouldn't care after a short while anyway.
After a certain point in this series, I honestly stopped worrying/caring about the parents. And you're right about there being very little to no progression in their relationship: it's about the same as it was all those episodes ago. It's unfortunate because Ohm and Nanon are great, and I feel like if the writers wrote the story better, the actors would've been able to pull off the story very well regardless.

Initially I wanted Saendee and Phai to be together. However, seeing as how too far gone, in my opinion, Saendee is, now all I can think of for these two is that hopefully their actors are put in a show where they're paired up and neither of their characters' do some crazy shit. Please, Star Hunter....!

Episode 11 definitely showcases how great Ohm and Nanon are together. It's been said over and over again, but: their chemistry?? INSANE.

I've left comments before saying how I liked how lighthearted the show is. However, I changed my mind. I won't say too much about it yet until the end, but the lighthearted nature ruins the mood for a lot of the scenes and situations for me. To a point where when things are supposed to feel serious, they either don't or the tone feels very out of place.

[SPOILERS FOR "DON'T SAY NO" MENTIONED IN THIS PARAGRAPH]
I personally don't mind the "We'll wait until later to be together" trope; sometimes it works very well and reflects how some relationships have to be. A perfect example of this trope is Leon and Pob from Don't Say No. Both of their current desires and life choices did not match up and they decided to wait until later to finally be together. However, with Pat and Pran, it just doesn't....make sense to me? No one really cares that they're together other than their parents. However, I'm assuming it's much more of a cultural thing where in some cultures, your parents' words completely out way your feelings. *However*, with the way the show handles serious moments, I honestly expect their parents to be okay-ish with them dating and that they'd be able to continue being an item with maybe one or two bumps down the road. If they do go with this trope, I'm very curious as to what their reason for breaking up will be.
[END SPOILER MENTION]

Also, for the people complaining about how "too friendly" their romance is: love comes in all different shapes and sizes. Not everyone's definition and expression of love are the same. Not everyone is a fan of the stereotypical constantly being around each other and clinging on to each other and calling their lover pet names, etc etc. Sometimes romance looks more chill than that. I honestly love that their love looks like this.

On iQiyi, under the name of the show, it says there's a total of 12 episodes. I'm not sure where the initial 10 episodes that was on here came from tbh.

Kit usually declines Mark's sexual advancements, but I can totally see why people would think they've done it already haha

As for PokTong: in S1,Tong receives an anonymous letter saying something like "The president* cheated, Do as I say" (*to make matters worse, Tong was the student council president). There was that scene when Pok got beat up and the thugs told him to ask Tong about it, but Tong didn't answer his questions. He couldn't because then he'd have to tell him he cheated. Kalae reveals later that it was Saendee who sent the letter and he knows this because he saw him do it. Saendee's been blackmailing Tong ever since. Pok began to suspect that something was going on between Tong and Saendee during the freshmen event right at the beginning of the new school year, but we don't know what his thoughts were other than he had no idea about the cheating and blackmailing.