I'm on episode 18, so far so good. Apparently there are negative comments in the comment section, I will not read…
Believe it or not, I get the complaints now, finished it and will write my review, Ji Chang Wook kept me watching but after this one, I don't think I'll do it again (watching a whole drama for an actor I'm a fan of).
This is what I'm looking for. Raw honesty. I love you for this and if possible will follow your reviews lmao!! I was about to give it a chance but with SSK, I'm on a fence. I do enjoy Black Knight though but because Seo Ji Hye is stealing the show. SSK improved a bit but she's definitely not a good actress. I love fantasy dramas so I wanted to watch it but oh well, it's not my top priority either...
I'm on episode 18, so far so good. Apparently there are negative comments in the comment section, I will not read any further than the latest post before mine. I absolutely enjoy this drama so far. <3
I don't know if I should still watch it or give up. Not that I dislike it, but since Money Flower, it seems I am losing focus on this one. Because MF is so much faster and crazier. So I haven't watched the latest two episodes yet. I don't know what to do. UGGGH!!!
One problem though, while he was captured by the governemt and they came to get his wife, WHO REFUSED HIM? Who…
Thanks for your detailed reply. That makes more sense then, now that you put it that way. In that case I only wish he would have told his wife nothing happened, and not act thoughlessly like publicly drinking in Boon Yi's cup, just not to make her a target. It's unfortunate that his actions didn't help the situation. But I do see now how especially his mother had a strong influence on him though he was the Master, with the filial piety thing. Thanks again for this mature and clear explanation.
One problem though, while he was captured by the governemt and they came to get his wife, WHO REFUSED HIM? Who…
It doesn't matter that he didn't want sleep with her if he led his wife to believe that he did, put yourself in the wife's shoes. Did he even tell her nothing happened ? The drama suggests that nope. Regardless of what she could have asked, he was the master, men had far more power and say in those days, and he is responsible for his own actions. It was his responsibility to clear up that misunderstanding since he was in the room with Boon Yi. Again he put Boon Yi in danger unnecessarily. If you find your husband in a motel with a woman, unless he assures you nothing happened, will you assume that they just talked soccer and played darts ? Her assumption was only natural, as Boon Yi had the position of surrogate.
Of course he could control that she was gonna be a surrogate he was the Master. He had the power. Boon Yi, I agree, couldn't control anything (I never blamed her, re-read my 1st post). I am against the fact that Sharon attacked Boon Yi instead of confronting her husband. I stated that her actions were inexcusable BUT HER FEELINGS WERE VALID. Sharon was a stupid coward for attacking the girl, this is a dynamic that exasperates me. I wish ppl could at least see where Soo Ho went wrong in the whole fiasco rather than only blaming the girl again. I don't blindly defend Sharon. But I won't blindly defend Soo Ho cause he's not innocent. Boon Yi was wronged by BOTH, because of their position of power. This is why from the beginning I stated that the MAN should have been held responsible too, for instigating even more hate from his wife (married people must think of their spouses' feelings) for being careless and inconsiderate of her feelings and of Boon Yi's safety. I think it's unfair to just go with the flow instead of at least seeing a part of the story from Sharon's perspective (without excusing her horrible actions). But I do understand that not everyone will agree on this.
In the present, she never died so her mindset is she's still the wife, but that is wrong of course. I do NOT support her at all for the present since Soo Ho is living a new life and doesn't even know her. I agree with you on the present. My only point is, I understand where her jealousy and insecurities with him were partly coming from in Joseon era, and this is why I think she's not a typical villain because I recognized that Soo Ho wronged her although he was painted as "great". I never blamed Boon Yi.
You can't talk about morality of having more than one woman WITHOUT taking into consideration historical context.…
Ok I will keep it short because it is clear at this point that we don't see eye to eye. I see what you mean on many points. But I think our perspectives are simply very different. I still think Soo Ho made critical mistakes that as a master made him pretty inconsiderate, he should have known better. I actually believe the female vs male rivalries are caricatures on TV, because in real life men are really as petty and jealous of other men as women can be with other women, it is just hardly acknowledged. I believe we are painted that way especially by male producers. It's a male narrative of female relations. Women don't act nearly as dramatic as Sharon (even when we don't consider her superpowers) or the typical crazy girl in kdramas, unless in rare cases they are clinically mentally ill. Regardless of what Sharon was before she met Soo Ho in the Joseon era, that didn't excuse anything he did. She still was his wife, and he still should have stayed away from Boon Yi to protect her if he selflessly loved her. Most marriages are not of "pure love" so the fact that Sharon's wasn't pure doesn't mean she wasn't wronged.
"Sharon feelings are valid but they do not excuse her actions." I totally agree on this one though, I stated something similar in my first post. I'm glad we at least agree on this.
You can't talk about morality of having more than one woman WITHOUT taking into consideration historical context.…
"Boon Yi was chosen by OTHER people" He was the master therefore had the authority to at least out of respect for his wife choose another surrogate mother he had no emotional attachment to, if they really had to have a child. Again he had power over the people.
"And he didn't even sleep with Boon Yi before the whole 'exile and torture' part." But he still led his wife to believe otherwise, so that was a mistake on his part towards his wife, her feelings mattered.
"He loved another woman but it was Sharon who pushed Boon Yi into his arm" Uh no, nobody can push someone into your arms unless you willingly open them.
" Boon Yi NEVER fought against Sharon for Soo Ho" I see what you mean but my point is the two women are the rivals and the man is left with no consequence, no blame for his mistakes. Soo Ho made his mistakes, and was to blame almost as much is all I'm saying. Since he loved her and knew that it enraged his wife, how about staying away from her to minimize the suffering his wife inflicted to her ? But no, he's gonna drink in her cup in public ? Not really considerate of other ppl's situation.
"Also MAJORITY of dramas have dudes fighting over one girl" Majority of dramas always have 2 men fighting to win the girl's heart, not an annoying childish drama king (a male version of Sharon). Sadly there is always petty girl's rivalry with an over the top crazy annoying girl. Even when the men fight for the girls the dynamics are different. If there are petty games they are rarely as petty as the girls'. It's not about pulling hair, spreading rumors, calling a gang of "bros" to beat up the guy who kissed the girl, or blaming it all on the other man if that main girl ever cheats.
One problem though, while he was captured by the governemt and they came to get his wife, WHO REFUSED HIM? Who…
Isn't it mainly because she thought he had slept with her, so she ended up hating to love him ? He shouldn't have been alone in that room with Boon Yi in the first place. I think that was inconsiderate of both women, and it put Boon Yi in danger. I do agree that Sharon is a coward though, but had the situation been reversed and she had cheated because her husband was a coward, I do believe the audience would side with the guy. Men always seem to get some sort of pass. Sorry my position still stands! As I said before both always used Boon Yi in their own ways I never said Sharon was an angel (far from it) but neither was Soo Ho. How is drinking in Boon Yi's cup in public helping the situation for example ? I think he was somehow selfish.
For a world that is obsessed with youth, I find it refreshing that they see not growing old for centuries as a torture and growing old as natural, normal, and something to envy. In fact, because Sharon and Baek Hee can't grow old they can't really receive love, since humans grow old together and then die, but they just travel through time, poor souls.
Hate Sharon all you want, she was the one cheated on by her husband. While her actions are really inexcusable, her feelings are VALID. No matter how jealous she was of Boon Yi that does not excuse her husband in Joseon era getting a pass for cheating on her in the end, due to his "feelings". And putting Boon Yi in a terrible situation as a servant. In my views Boon Yi was wronged by the BOTH of them, one used cruelty, the other used his "feelings" and good reputation to sleep with her (in that remote house). She paid the highest price for it, as a slave. Sure Sharon must get over it in the new life since he is unmarried (though since she never died, I get why she's still attached), sure she's annoying, but I love her character because it shows a different kind of villain. Not someone greedy just for the sake of it, out of nowhere or because that's "just the way they are", but because they were genuinely wronged. Her husband should have been confronted, instead of cowardly attacking Boon Yi. But yeah that woudn't be "spicy" if the script was written like this, all over the world producers love to set up women against each other over a man. Nothing new.
I thought this drama was way too long...could have been wrapped up in 11 or 12 episodes...the crazy went on far…
I can't stand open endings, I just read in another post that's what it was so I'm glad I dropped it. Goodness I'm sick sick sick of Sung Joon's drama choices. Such a good actor finding himself in subpar productions way too often. It's sickening. On another note I'm glad I dropped this drama, it was a torture by episode 5.
I have NO IDEA who decided to produce this but this was a terrible idea. The women are stereotypical, the supposed "makjang" was all over the place and poorly done, the main character's husband was beyond annoying. I tried to hard to keep watching it as a Sung Joon fan, and because by episode 3 it was quite promising but it failed to deliver and by episode 5 I couldn't torture myself any longer. Sung Joon keeps making poor drama choices. He will forever remain underrated because of this!!!!! I'm tired of him already!!!!!
I'm from the generation of Vaness Wu, XaiXai and Jerry Yan, whoohoooo! I will never forget this classic. but I can't wait to see what the new one will look like. I'm excited!!!!
Whats up with the fat shaming and appearance focused dramas First queen of the ring and then this Why cant writers…
Well one good reason not to watch it then. I really don't like those body shaming movies and dramas. I saw 200 Pounds of Beauty a few years ago. But I still didn't get the hype ?? The moral of the story was that in the end only her "perfect looking" version was worthy of love. No matter how much the guy loved the girl "without realizing it" when she was big, he never even attempted to woo her until she turned into a model. It's all blurry in my mind but when she was big she got no affection. I think obesity is considered a tool for entertainment / laughs in Korea. That's unfortunate but that's the sad reality.
I agree with you that they have a "mom/son" vibe but also a "lovers" vibe in a twisted way: Mal Ran is obviously…
Thanks purplebass :) That's a pretty good theory, he does exploit the "good looks card" to the max. I do agree that she is infatuated with him. I had a more sinister theory about them, as Mal Ran seems to be beyond horrible, but I could be reading too much into it.
Of course he could control that she was gonna be a surrogate he was the Master. He had the power. Boon Yi, I agree, couldn't control anything (I never blamed her, re-read my 1st post). I am against the fact that Sharon attacked Boon Yi instead of confronting her husband. I stated that her actions were inexcusable BUT HER FEELINGS WERE VALID. Sharon was a stupid coward for attacking the girl, this is a dynamic that exasperates me. I wish ppl could at least see where Soo Ho went wrong in the whole fiasco rather than only blaming the girl again. I don't blindly defend Sharon. But I won't blindly defend Soo Ho cause he's not innocent. Boon Yi was wronged by BOTH, because of their position of power. This is why from the beginning I stated that the MAN should have been held responsible too, for instigating even more hate from his wife (married people must think of their spouses' feelings) for being careless and inconsiderate of her feelings and of Boon Yi's safety. I think it's unfair to just go with the flow instead of at least seeing a part of the story from Sharon's perspective (without excusing her horrible actions). But I do understand that not everyone will agree on this.
In the present, she never died so her mindset is she's still the wife, but that is wrong of course. I do NOT support her at all for the present since Soo Ho is living a new life and doesn't even know her. I agree with you on the present. My only point is, I understand where her jealousy and insecurities with him were partly coming from in Joseon era, and this is why I think she's not a typical villain because I recognized that Soo Ho wronged her although he was painted as "great". I never blamed Boon Yi.
"Sharon feelings are valid but they do not excuse her actions." I totally agree on this one though, I stated something similar in my first post. I'm glad we at least agree on this.
"And he didn't even sleep with Boon Yi before the whole 'exile and torture' part." But he still led his wife to believe otherwise, so that was a mistake on his part towards his wife, her feelings mattered.
"He loved another woman but it was Sharon who pushed Boon Yi into his arm" Uh no, nobody can push someone into your arms unless you willingly open them.
" Boon Yi NEVER fought against Sharon for Soo Ho" I see what you mean but my point is the two women are the rivals and the man is left with no consequence, no blame for his mistakes. Soo Ho made his mistakes, and was to blame almost as much is all I'm saying. Since he loved her and knew that it enraged his wife, how about staying away from her to minimize the suffering his wife inflicted to her ? But no, he's gonna drink in her cup in public ? Not really considerate of other ppl's situation.
"Also MAJORITY of dramas have dudes fighting over one girl" Majority of dramas always have 2 men fighting to win the girl's heart, not an annoying childish drama king (a male version of Sharon). Sadly there is always petty girl's rivalry with an over the top crazy annoying girl. Even when the men fight for the girls the dynamics are different. If there are petty games they are rarely as petty as the girls'. It's not about pulling hair, spreading rumors, calling a gang of "bros" to beat up the guy who kissed the girl, or blaming it all on the other man if that main girl ever cheats.