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The product placement has gotten to he point that it is, well, the point. There's no story - it's all product placement. They're exploiting us for being a loyal audience, and I'm done with it.

You're wrong. It's a long-a&& stream of commercials. Is it any wonder Up nearly vomited? Imagine being trapped in a van with KFC, that disgusing inhaler, Sea's bucket of perfume, and God knows what else. He's lucky not to have projectile-vomited his lungs out. I gave up in part 3. I thought for a moment they were actually acknowledging how revolting the excess was when Up got sick, but nope, it was just an opening to sell inhaler.

Stripping Jimmy of his shirt should be part of every morning routine. But a new and stupid-beyond-belief trope is rearing its ugly head, and that's showering someone while remaining fully dressed yourself and getting soaked. How does this make any sense?!? He's not at home - where is he going to get clothes to wear? Now he has to go all he way home, change, and start all over again. AAAAUGGHH! WHY SO STUPID?!?!?!?

Sorry. I feel much better now. Thank you.

Jimmy's triceps were their own character this episode. Also, Sea's muscled hairy legs.

OK, I don't mind the product placement if it involves Sea taking his shirt off, but it was ridiculous this episode. I'd be like "I'm sick and all you could be bothered with is instant noodles? Placing it under a fancy cloche doesn't hide your total lack of effort."

Anyway, I quit this in Part 3 and I'm not watching another second of it no matter how many times Jimmy or Sea take their shirts off.

This entire series is a cynical exploitation of a loyal BL audience to push sponsor's products. It's not just an occassional yucky tea drink, it's non-stop all the way through the entire episode. I'm not exaggerating. The plot is thin enough as it is, but there is more screentime spent on commercials than there is on the story. If GMM ever does this again, I'm leading a boycott.

I'm happy Gaga OOLala translated the social media - when I tried to watch it without this it was a bit boring and I didn't really understand what was going on. Now it's a completely different story and people's behavior makes sense. It's a little stressful to watch because there's so much to read and I have to pause a lot and occassially rewind, but it's worth it so far.

On the subject of show-don't-tell, when Nott is caressing Pan's ear, that shows us they've had sex many times because Nott knows what Pan likes and that Nott cares about what Pan likes and not just his own pleasure. It also played into their work when the director thought the scene was too hot from Pan's side. That is good writing. A lesser production would have just had one of the makeup workers saying "I've heard they've had sex a lot and Pan likes it when Nott touches his ear. It's so cute that he cares aboutt his partner!"

That is certainly an excellent point, and it may very well be that there will be more to Chadok than we're seeing, and if that's the case I'll be surprised in a positive way. So far the writing has provided unexpected nuance, like when Ayan had the argument with the female teacher where he defended uniforms and a dictator and maneuvered her into being against these. I hope your right and we're just seeing Chadok through the students' perspective, and I will be impressed if Chadok isn't a 2D villain.

I would be understandable if the amount of time Eiw and Cake had to spend together was limited, or if Cake suddenly started spending considerably less time with him. But that's not the case. Eiw was not only absurdly jealous, but he made the friend very uncomfortable - which besides being a terrible host is really uncool, and we might note that at the conclusion of the gaming, Cake climbed into bed with Eiw and cuddled him all night - but that's not enough for Eiw.

If they had painted this so that Eiw's jealousy intensified as Cake pulled away from him, for example for the girl, then I would say it's relatable, because it's normal to hold on tighter if you feel something is slipping away - but Eiw is totally central in Cake's life, which Cake demonstrates almost all day every day. Yet it's not enough.

I'm OK with seme and uke, but not where the uke is painted as useless and weak in every way - that's misogynist and homophobic. SCOY ukes were the most effeminite that we've ever seen, hands down, but none of them were weak and helpless - quite the opposite.

It's when effeminite is painted as weakness that I have a problem, not with effeminacy. Only SCOY has broken (trampled) that sterotype. Not that with Daisy, he was weak when he was behaving masculine and strong when he was being his effeminate true self.

Here, Cake is a "real man" who has to protect and take care of Eiw, infantilizes him and finds his weakness adorable - I guess he gets off on being patronizing - while Eiw is almost totally useless, except at a few wifely domestic activities. If a raindrop touches him, he's bedridden. If he has only a light lunch, he faints after taking three small strides. If Cake has anything in his life other than him, he melts down because he has no independence or agency.

That to me is not good.

I would - nothing happens. Or maybe be prepared to skim through them.

It's not normal for boys. You are completely understanding my point (not a typo - I mean understanding) - it's stereotypical uke, which I find boring. He's not embarassed, he's having a full-scale and extremely long total meltdown over having a sexual thought while unconscious. I've mudered my mother in dreams - that's more horrible, but I know it's just a dream. It feels weird and disturbing for a few minutes, then it totally dissipates, as dreams are wont to do.

If he was at home and had an actual fantasy (the kind that needs a tissue afterwards), then I could get his being freaked out by his feelings. But this was just a dream, which you can barely remember minutes after waking.

People are often anxious about their first relationship, for sure - but this is 100% freakout and 0% love and euphoria.

Your inventing that he was sick because it's necessary for that to make sense. They explicitly said he fainted because he didn't eat enough. Cake didn't have lunch at all and he didn't faint. There is no mention of Eiw being sick. And pointing out that girls reacted that way to horror films is arguing FOR my point, not against, which is uke = girl.

Being really tired and falling asleep happens, but you're not going to drop your head into someone's hand and not notice it unless you're narcoleptic. You can set your head down and fall instantly to sleep, and you can nod off and hit something, but it will wake you up.

We're all probably hearing that familiar sound effect in our heads.

You can almost instantly identify that a work of gay erotica is written by a woman by the endless "preparation" put in that consumes the entire sex scene (e.g. insert one finger, two, then three). In my experience, a drink and lube sufficies.

This is usually followed by three or four strokes which lead to climax, not realizing that getting off that fast is terrible sex ( I think the author is assuming that getting off super-fast is a sign of being extremely turned on. By someone poking around down there with fingers.) The longer it goes the better (within reason). I don't get this misunderstanding because for women it's even more important for it not to be too quick.

Anal sex hurts if you're tense or have never done it before, or for some people (like me), always (at least at first) - but it's not going to leave you bedridden for a weak unless you are zoophilic and are into elephants. The issue is that "down there" is designed to push stuff out, not take it in, so unless you relax it will hurt. That part of the body is fairly sturdy - if it could easily be damaged we'd all be in big trouble. I find being on a really long flight is worse. Anyway, I'm glad they left that out of the live action Addicted. There he was just afraid it would hurt but was fine after.

I agree - I didn't love the seatbelt thing because it's overused, but I did appreciate the spin on it and that it was relevant to what was going on rather than just thrown in, well, just because.

I think there's a difference between a cliche and an archetype. You can have an evil teacher, which is a classic character type, but when it's just a cartoonish sort of evil there to just provide a dramatic foil, it's boring. It's too early to really judge - Chadok may have some deeper motivation, for example fear because violating rules cost him something in the past - and I'll be pleasantly surprised if that's the case.

Of course I've had mean teachers, but they're never 2D like this. One of the most awful I had I met later after college and he was really nice and nearly cried when I told him I was grateful for how much I learned from him. Another (his nickname was the Stalin of Musicology) was so mean I wasn't entire sure he wasn't Stalin reincarnated, but was incredibly supportive and helpful when I had a serious problem outside my control. A third was just really lonely and opened up when he got positive attention. Nobody is a cartoon like Chadok.

Yes - and even then, you can kind of see it when she's writing a novel, which you can do alone (although not recommended - you need a beta!), but I presume there are men somehow involved in the production (we have proof because almost all the actors are men) that could have pointed out how underwear works, and all sexes present could have pointed out that penis jokes are about as funny as fart and poop jokes.

I can concede that point. The issue is not so much any one thing as how they add together. I don't like that Eiw is so relentlessly an uke, with a solid line drawn that effeminate = weak, masculine = strong. That comes off as homophobic to me. Eiw isn't just weak, he had no agency at all - things just happen to him, and he can't accomplish anything, even SHOWERING wihout Cake to support and protect him.

I might have exaggerated in order to be dramatic, but he is a little tiresome as written. I wish they had focused Eiw's jealousy on Cake's flirtation with the girl - and notice she's an entirely offscreen character.

The way it is, with him getting morose whenever Cake shows any interest in anything other than him is not relatable and not love - it's obsession and dependence. Being jealous because he likes his new phone or plays videogames (once) with a casual friend is selfish.

Being hurt that Cake has a love interest that is not him is a totally diffrent matter and I think we can all understand and sympathize with that. Cake is effectively his boyfriend, even if neither of them are ready to see it that way, so Eiw has a right to feel like he's the central person in Cake's life, but it's not reasonable for him to feel like he has the right to be Cake's everything.

If it was better written, Eiw would gradually get more clingy as he felt Cake pushing him away to create space for his growth - that is a human reaction, to grasp tighter to something you're afraid is slipping away, but he started out behaving like that from the first second of the series.

Yes, 100% agree. Cake is explicitly not gay (or at least that's where he is in self-perception), Eiw is stereotpyically so - gays aren't real men.

I'll give it to the time shift - I need Eiw to become self-reliant and have agency. I'm afraid he'll just be the same with a Cake-substitute boyfriend and his job will be something like a hair dresser or interior designer. If he's a CEO with a harem of hot boys I'll be thrilled, but the chances of that are less than zero %.

I agree with all this. My "go-to" is that the uke is a 12-year old virgin girl out of a bad VIctorian novel. And not a Jane Austen novel where the girl at least has some agency.

The non-con (really dub-con) in this doesn't bother me either, because Rain unambiguously wants Phayu and has consistently given him really strong signals, and when Rain finally gives as strong "no", Phayu respects it. Actual rape can certainly be a factor in a drama, but it has no place in light entertainment like BL, and is very unlikely to be treated with any authenticity or sensitivity, especially by Mame. But someone being aggressive is not the same thing, and the best way to ruin a mood is to ask permission for everything.

I'd love to see a story where an uke wants to try topping and the seme says something homphobic in response, like "what kind of fag do you think I am?" The resulting fight could examine the basis of some of these stereotypes. It would of course have to end with the uke getting his way and the seme loving it.

21 Day Theory isn't a work of art or anything, but there is no seme and uke. The character that is marginally less masculine is the pursuer (which should be the seme), but there is no apparent inequality between the pair.

Power imbalance can be hot - but it's boring when it's 100% predictable and formulaic. And a bit offensive when it manages to be both misogynist and homophobic at the same time.

There's a reason why the uke has to be forced - it's because it's not acceptable for a man to seek and voluntarily enjoy pleasure through being penetrated, so essentially rape is morally preferable to being gay. The same applies for women. And note that the seme is never gay - I can't think of even one case where he is. That's because this comes from a perception of "gay" as passive and feminine.

Yes, I really like it. What they changed is that in the Manwha Sang Woo's attraction to Jae Young is, at least at first, more like a sexual obsession - they made a nod to this in the live-action version when Sang Woo is researching "deviant desires", but it was deemphasized, which was inevitable in a live series and didn't really bother me because they didn't leave it out.

But I felt Blueming left out a critical element of the story by cutting the narcissistic competition of the couple which removed a lot of the humor and dramatic tension, and left it as a conventional cute romance. I think probably the producers thought the characters wouldn't be sympathetic if they were engaged in a constant shallow battle of one-upmanship - and they may very well have been right. What works on the page can often become unpleasant in live action.

I thought that was the case with Oxygen - "a boy who lost his smile" works in a novel, but comes off as a serial-killer in live action.