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I suppose it could be adapted to give it a fluffy ending instead of sort of petering out to nothing.

It's possible he didn't realize that's what he was feeling, and in any case, she had no right to ask him that. In any case, there are three options when someone asks something like that. You can say "yes", you can say "I don't want to discuss this" which is also "yes", or you can lie. She left him little choice as I'm sure he knows she'd retaliate against Tae if he said yes.

But if he's confused about his feelings, then he's not really lying. He's young enough for that to be very possible. If you have no real idea about what being gay is, you may not understand your feelings are more than friendship.

He's being creepy and disturbing in Tae's eyes, so he needs to work on his social skills.

Tae is completely within his rights to refuse to go stay up late doing Karaoke on a school night. They met at six, so it's likely 8-9 pm when they decide to go. Tae said he didn't want to go, and grabbing someone's wrist as they're walking away is very aggressive, and he wasn't letting go, which is weird. Altough to be fair, it's almost impossible for a BL character to leave a room without someone grabbing his wrist, so in BL world everyone should expect it to happen.

I really don't get how you can say that's messed up. Tae has a crush on DaOn - who clearly likes him back - not Shin Woo, who had his chance. If Shin Woo said "let's go to dinner and get to know each other better", of course Tae would accept. This was just group Karaoke, he wasn't rejecting Shin Woo in particular. Tae hasn't been mean or dismissive to Shin Woo, he's just not reacting to him like he has a crush on him, because he doesn't (yet). He even called out Shin Woo for avoiding him last ep, so who has been rejecting whose attempts at being friends? Just because he just now started trying doesn't mean Tae has any way of knowing that.

DaOn very clearly likes Tae, although he wasn't willing to say it, at least not to So Hee. Possibly he didn't realize that's what he was feeling until she said it. I didn't realize it when I was that age, or at least I was in denial about it.

That's bubble tea - it's very popular here in California where a third of the popuation is Asian. It's usually rather sweet with milk in it, and the chewy things are tapioca balls. There's usually a very large straw that's wide enough to suck up the balls.

When it first showed up here, a friend said we were going to a tapioca place, and I love tapioca pudding so I was excited. And then it was that. I don't get why anyone likes it - it's like chewing hard, flavorless gum. But it's a thing.

It's true, they look a lot different in writing - it's not just a single 'n' moved.

I saw it that way too. BTW, what sadist named two of the main characters Shi Woon and Shin Woo?

I have a cousin who at his wedding jammed the cake so far into his bride's face that she nearly choked. She got him back good. My mother was completely scandalized. At my parents' wedding, she and my father in his military dress uniform are seen in photos to be elegantly serving a bit to each other with forks. But now the face-smash is more or less obligatory.

In this case I think Shi Woon made it up to embarass Shin Woo.

LOL - I keep it for Beloved In House too. I would certainly not pay for this series.

I was starting to really warm up to this series until this ep. I really hate So Hee. Not just hate her, but hate that her character is in the series. It completely ruins it for me. A love triangle inherently contains enough dramatic potential to drive a series without this stupid, tiresome misogynist cliche.

For those of you irritated with DaOn, how is Shin Woo any better? He's certainly not communicating his feelings, and it's better to be too nice than it is to be too much of an asshole. And DaOn referred to So Hee as "their cute little sister" - which is more than clear enough. Now she's just a selfish evil b@$^% if she doesn't give up.

I'd take DaOn anyday - as Mr. Right. Definietly Shin Woo as Mr. Tonight. Although I'd still go for Teacher Seo over all of them.

BTW, do we really need to give everyone these bad haircuts? Does this look anything like the character he's playing? Would you even know who it is if his name weren't on it?

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The way it is now doesn't really represent anyone. 99% of male BL characters are technically bi, but none of them identify as such, so they're neither bi, nor gay, nor really even straight. They're... hmm.... Well, they're BL characters. There is no real-life analogue.

I think male sexuality is more object-oriented and shallow than female, but some of the "depth" in women is just for show. A boy is more likely to call someone unnattractive, whereas a girl will put a fig-leaf on it assigning the label "creepy" to give her shallowness the appearance of being personality-based, when the exact same behavior from a hot guy would romantic or appealing. That's a generalization, but it probably sounds familiar.

Actually, even the existence of ukes (and semes) is untrue to life. Top & bottom aren't personality types, they're sexual positions, and most couples do both, although usually there's at least one of the pair that has a marked preference one way or the other. But you would have no idea who does what just by looking at them, and the "man" of the house is just as likely to be the bottom.

The lack of lube is kind of funny, but since BLs won't show anything, it would look weird to be applying that while the camera is strictly waist-up. It's also kind of funny how nobody ever sweats and the sheets are always pristine afterwards, but I guess that's largely true of all drama everywhere. Maybe their pores are blocked by the inch of white makeup plastered over them.

Everyone would hate it. When he was in college he made a bit of a move on me and I freaked out and left. I think I saw him one more time after that because he got a girlfriend who was insanely jealous and he was a DaOnian conflict avoider. A few year later, a mutual friend read that he died in a car crash, and I was really upset for a long time. But she was wrong (he has a very common name) because she's an idiot. I think I took her word for it a because it was a excellent explanation for why I hadn't heard from him in years, and she worked for the newspaper the (wrong) obituary was in.

He contacted me almost 20 years later and I blew him off because I was dealing with a lot (2008 - economic collapse in NYC which + depression), plus I'd already mourned his death. He got mad and I haven't heard from him since.

The "fake death" is also very BL. Hmm. I have to reconsider my ranting and raving against silly plot devices. It's funny how silly it sounds when I write it all out like that.

I loved him but wasn't "in love" with him (although I was certainly in lust with him - he was really athletic and handsome). The boy I was actually in love with had mutual feelings for me but couldn't deal with it so he married his girlfriend and enlisted in the Marines. The End. Unfortunately that is boring and entirely typical of the gay high school experience of my day. The girlfriend was evil and manipulative, though, so there's that.

I'm getting tied of how difficult it is to even watch BLs now. I have a VIP subscription to Viki but Ep 6 won't be available for two days. What's the point of Viki, then? I never watch pirated versions unless there's absolutely no other option - I even play the ads to support the genre - but I'm going to watch illegal copies of this as I'm a bit pissed off. VPNs are great if you can get one to connect, but what a hassle that is, and you can't do anything else while you're on it, even pause to look up an actor.

We're already forced to watch 20 minutes of BL boys using face cream on their already porcelain skin and drinking toxic sugary fluids likely to cause problems with their porcelain skin, plus the ads of whatever service the series is broadcast on. Now paying for access in addition is not enough?

Thank you, I feel much better now.

EDIT: Now I have to watch the same ad about ulcerative colitis over and over. Sigh.

I don't think it's internalized misogyny so much as the audience responding to the misogyny of the writers. One might note that there are few things as sexually repacious and predatory as a teenaged boy, yet they're all written like angelic Victorian-era 12-year old girls (they are, after all, fantasy boyfriends aimed at younger women who are likely tired of dealing with said rapaciousness), yet the actual girls are all evil manipulative vixens.

It's very possible for a girl to get a boy by persistance, especially a gay one who is terrified of being exposed and when people are confused why he doesn't go for someone willing. Or, if he's straight, it might just be easier to give in to the social pressure she's organized than to resist. As you noted, these relationships never last. The former because, well, he's gay, and the latter is likely to get bored and go after someone he's actually attracted to.

The former was my situation, the latter my best friend's. Ironically, in a truly BL twist on reality, I later jokingly confronted him on giving in to her when I should have been first in line. Not jokingly, he said I had never asked and he would have chosen me over her. Needless to say, as this is decades later, I have lingering regrets in life.

They think it's a choice. If you pursue a straight boy hard enough, instead of being killed, he will turn gay for you. But only you. He can only be with one boy ever. If it's two then he's gay.

I don't think the bottoms necessarily look or behave particularly feminine (more on that below), but they are all useless and need a real man to take care of them. They faint when sunlight touches them, they can only walk for a few steps before the they trip, and they are incapable of standing up for themselves, even if they're a 6' tall and very muscular like Tine on 2Gether. The uke is usually a lot smaller, which I suppose gives them a feminine air.

There are two types of uke - one is gay and therefore effeminate (like FLuke & Earth in Until We Meet Again). The other is "normal" and has to be forced by the seme/top because it's not acceptable for a man to pursue and enjoy bottoming (like Type in TharnType). There are very few exceptions, alhough there is a third opton where there's no sex whatsover so it never really comes up, like Love Sick.

I take your point about teenage expectations - but then shouldn't we give DaOn some leeway for being a teen too? They're not exactly known for their EQ.

BTW, your most important point above is the root of one of my largest complaints about BL - which is that boys rarely "organically" fall in love - it's always a result of something situational (in this case a dildo up the ass, but usually when the uke [always, always the uke] trips, the seme catches him and they stare), or serious persisant pursuit which convices a straight boy that he's willing to go gay (for one boy, and one boy only, forever and ever, Amen).

In real life, if a girl pursues a guy who's not into her with dogged persistance, she'll likely suffer for it socially. If a gay boy pursues a straight guy with dogged persistance, he'll likely be beaten to death. Or in a more tolerant society (which Korea most certainly is NOT), be in the same shoes as the girl.

Male sexuality doesn't work this way. He's either attracted or he's not. He's not suddenly going to see the beauty of your soul and change his mind (at least not a teen boy!) I get how a change in attitude is a staple of all romance, but a change in sexuality is not the same thing as a change in attitude - which suggests these cultures assume homosexuality is a choice, as if this is still the 1950s.

Yes - exactly. That's what this bothers me so much - it comes from homophobia. You'll also notice that the uke often has to be forced, usually in a way that romanticizes sexual assault - this is because it's considered morally preferable to assault or rape someone than for a man to seek and take pleasure in being penetrated. It's saying you're only really gay if you're a willing bottom. You'll notice the person who says "I'm not gay, I only like________" is always the seme, although usually neither character is gay.

This homophobia is accentuated by casting only very straight-acting actors (there have been casting calls that explicitly say "no gays") and having as a contrast extremely effeminate gay characters who are all unpleasant - loud and sexaully predatory, pathetic and there only for comic relief.

There's a little bit of very slow improvement, and now you will occassionally see overtly gay main characters, but they are still almost always the bottom. Smaller productions occassionally have a main gay character, but the major studios almost never do.

It's fully subbed now.

Waving the dildo and shouting that Shin must have dropped it was quite funny - I didn't find it so the first time because I was still out of the story due to the accidental dildo-up-ass shoving.

Well, for 1), if you hit a red light, you might not think much of it. But if you hit "hundreds every day" they will annoy the holy f@#$ out of you. Even if you hit two or three in a row you'll give a weary sigh. That's what tropes are like. They rip me right out of the story and cancel the fluffiness, which is then devoid of any organic emotional meaning. If the boys are only in love because one tripped and the other caught him, that's stupid. If they have to share a bed for some reason and end up wrapped around each other by morning, that's cute and fluffy.

There's a difference between a trope and a plot formula - so "accidental kiss" is a particularly stupid trope, but enemies to lovers is a story framework, which while not particularly original, is tried but true and works - and there are only so many options, right? Love at first sight, enemies to lovers, and what else? Alien abductor to lover would be original, but that's not how people typically meet. OR IS IT.

For2), please don't say that out loud, or it may happen - given the imitativeness of BL, I'm afraid we're already in the process of adding an accidental-dildo-up-the-ass trope, although at this point if it means less trip/catch/stare, I can live with it.

And I might note that a bottle is a perfectly serviceable substitute for a proper dildo in an emergency.

Passive-aggressive smarminess is a type of hate, dear. There is no deep message to this - it's a silly comedy.