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Two 17 year olds who are thrown together by their parents marrying is so incredibly far from incest that it's bizarre that anyone would raise an issue with it, and to me that position no much different than homophobia, because it's passing judgment on consensual and healthy love between two people.

In fact I would go so far as to say that condemnation of this is what's damaging to the LGBTQ+ community because it's establishing an intolerant and prudish moral framework, which is a driver of homophobia. Nobody except very pro-LGBTQ+ people are watching this, but if a homophobe were reading this, he might argue: "The incest taboo is driven by biological concerns so it's valid. Likewise, sex is driven by the biological need to procreate, so my objection to homosexuality is valid."

What is the actual difference between those two positions? Not much. Both are objecting to completely harmless consensual relations. You don't get to object to love just because it makes you (not you, "you" in general) uncomfortable.

When there are consent issues, which includes adult/minor relations, that is certainly objectionable, and I'm hoping they don't just gloss over that with the teacher/student storyline, but the musical cues suggest there's an awareness it's wrong.

There is a huge, huge difference between two almost-adults who are thrown together by their parents marrying and actual incest. If they grew up together, this would be icky, but they didn't. It's never OK to condemn harmless, legal and consensual love just because it makes you uncomfortable - that's no different than homophobia.

Slippery-slope arguments are generally not morally valid. If I shoot you with a toy gun, will that eventually lead me to shoot you with a real gun? Obviously not. Every action has to be judged on its own merits, not potentialities. This series is really sweet, with Prab really taking his role as big brother seriously - everyone is always saying "love is love is love", but are awfully judgmental about other people.

On the other hand, the teacher-student plotline is problematic, but we haven't seen the conclusion yet, and there is often ominous music surrounding this plotline, so there may be a constructive message to this.

I get what you're saying - but these are adult characters, not high school kids or even college-age. And because the kiss was supposed to be acting, it's not all that different from the accidental kiss trope. Although that was not your standard BL just touch lips and standing there awkwardly, that was some real macking!

Why does everyone always say "so drop it then" when anyone criticized as show? Do you take it that personally?

I'm a gay man too, and I don't hear sound effects in my head in a tight spot. Whenever they use effects, it's already very clear what Gene is thinking by the expression on his face - it's not like he's standing their expressionless. The exaggerated sound effects are meant to be parody, but they've made their point and can stop now.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounded like the last bit was spoken by Gene - but maybe it was just an issue with the sound. There was a clear break and then the voice sounded higher and more like Kao's.

It made sense when Kao stepped into the room shirtless, but if it's a parody, they made their point a long time ago and they can stop it now. At least they didn't do that in the last scene.

It's amazing how many healthy teens and 20-somethings get cancer in drama.

I'm confused. What is the timeline here? Was the scene in the park the last chronologically and did the scene where Shi De was trying to text Shu Yi actually occur before that? I really can't tell what's going on. Is it supposed to mean that Shu Yi is imagining that's what Shi De is doing?

Or did Shu Yi go to the USA unannounced and only brought a weird attaché case for for some reason and wandered into a random park that has all Taiwanese trees where Shi De just happened to be? I'm lost.

She was also extremely not American, if that's what she was supposed to be.

Maybe I'm wrong, though - it sounded to me that it switched to Sib for the last couple of lines, but it could just be an interruption in the recording. I guess it doesn't really matter since Gene is writing the character.

They're supposed to be annoying, because they're parodying BL, but they went overboard with it and it's hard to even pay attention.

He's being that way on purpose - he's supposed to be creepy and artificial - that's more or less hammered home in the voice over at the end when he says he fears falling out of character.

Things that can't be expressed with words should be expressed with acting, not sounds effects. I think the effects are supposed to be a parody of BL by exaggerating it, but they went so far as to be incredibly annoying and distracting.

I think it worked well how it was done. It's not supposed to be romantic, it's supposed to scare you. The voiceover was only half Gene's - when it shifter to Sib, it got dark with the "I'm afraid of falling out of character."

Is he into Gene? His voiceover at the end says he fears falling out of character - he sounds a bit like a mildly malignant narcissist.

OK, I have to admit they delivered in that last scene - when it started it looked like your typical BL lips barely touching thing, but then it turned into something else entirely. And the tenderness overlaid with the darkness the voiceover was a step above everything we've gotten so far. That was intense.

But overall I'm only semi-feeling this series. I think it's the sound effects, which are so f#$%ing annoying and distracting that I can't feel anything - it's like being told how you're supposed to react rather than letting us respond to the acting. know the effects are exaggerated as a parody, but they got carried away.If that last scene weren't in there, I would probably have dropped the series - but it gave me hope.

The kissing is fine - do you want formulaic BL? I'm getting sick of BLs where I know the entire plot halfway through the first episode. The kiss doesn't "count" anyway because they're "acting".

But the sound effects make me want to light something on fire. Did nobody watch this before airing it? How could anyone not notice how f#$%ing annoying the sound effects are?

I honestly had a hard time getting through it because of that. If they'd had silly sound effects in that last scene I would have dropped the series.

I think we need to petition the BL production companies for period dramas! I remember seeing Maurice way back when - if you haven't seen it, it's an Edwardian gay drama and a beautiful production.

You could very well set any BL, and I mean ANY BL in the Victorian era and it would not be out of place in the slightest, except instead of texting, people would have to have their valets carry messages back & forth.

Thailand is very, very humid and hot, so by the time you get home after a long day at engineering school, you're gross, so I get the showering thing - I guess they have to moisturize a lot.

At this very moment, it's 4:20 am in Bangkok, 80 degrees F (27 C) with 92% humidity. Yuck.