If you can access this movie on Viki, could you please copy the video link, paste it into " DownSub " site, download the French subtitles, and send them to me? I’d really appreciate it! Thank you so much in advance!
Hi guys! I really need your help! If any of you can access this movie on Viki, could you please copy the video link, paste it into " DownSub " site, download the French subtitles, and send them to me? I’d really appreciate it! Thank you so much in advance!
I think there’s a rather important distinction being made here between understanding flawed characters and excusing their behavior. Nobody is asking for a “green flag parade” or for fictional characters to be morally perfect. Complex, messy and dysfunctional people absolutely exist, and fiction should be allowed to portray them.
But calling something “realistic” doesn’t automatically make it healthy, justified, or beyond criticism. Real life relationships can contain jealousy, insecurity, impulsivity, poor coping mechanisms and emotional turmoil, but those things can also hurt other people. Acknowledging that reality doesn’t require us to romanticize it.
And there’s another aspect of Yujin’s character that I think gets overlooked. Beyond her emotional instability and insecurities, she doesn’t seem to have much of a life outside of Minjae. She has no real ambition or personal goal that we see, no particular passion or pursuit that gives her an identity beyond the relationship. Her everyday life basically revolves around one guy. And that matters when we’re talking about her attachment to him. The less you have going on in your own life, the easier it becomes for one person to occupy an enormous amount of your emotional and mental space. When you have fewer things to hold onto outside of a relationship, you’re more likely to make that relationship your entire world, which can very easily turn into obsession.
So I don’t think it’s particularly insightful to simply say, “She’s flawed and that’s realistic.” Of course she’s flawed. The more interesting question is what those flaws actually produce in her actions and in the relationship. Understanding where a behavior comes from can make a character more sympathetic, but it doesn’t automatically make that behavior excusable.
And honestly, I find the whole “young netizens” argument quite ironic. You’re criticizing people who dare to have a more critical or constructive reaction by dismissing them as “young and ignorant” people who apparently live in some kind of “care bears” world where everyone is perfect. In my case, I’m 26, so I’m not exactly a teenager who has never experienced the complexity of life. But even if someone were younger, that wouldn’t automatically invalidate their interpretation. Age doesn’t give anyone a monopoly on nuance, and being older doesn’t automatically make someone’s opinion more mature or correct.
What I also find problematic is the implication that because these characters are imperfect, their behavior should somehow be normalized or defended. Being able to recognize flaws in a character and appreciate good writing is one thing. Treating those flaws as something that shouldn’t be criticized because “real people are like that” is another. We can acknowledge that a character is emotionally complicated, understand where their behavior comes from, appreciate the writing, and still say that certain things they do are unhealthy, toxic, selfish or simply wrong.
And I think there’s also a trap worth pointing out here. When we strongly relate to a character or to the way they behave, that familiarity can make us overlook how problematic their actions actually are. You start seeing yourself in them, so their behavior feels validating rather than concerning. It’s kind of like that guy in the comments saying, “It feels good to see a girl insist on a guy,” as if her persistence were automatically romantic or admirable, when she has literally been rejected three times and keeps going despite having no respect for herself or for the other person’s boundaries. At some point, “she really fights for the person she loves” stops being a romantic gesture and starts looking like an inability to accept rejection. Relating to a character can help you understand them, but it shouldn’t prevent you from recognizing that some of their behaviors are absolutely not examples to follow.
That’s what nuance actually means. It’s not putting characters into a “good person/bad person” box. But it also isn’t refusing to criticize them just because their behavior is realistic. Something can be realistic without being healthy. Something can be understandable without being excusable. Something can be relatable without being something we should romanticize.
And saying that Yujin is the “perfect counterbalance” to Minjae because she is fierce while he is calm doesn’t necessarily make their dynamic healthy either. Sometimes opposites complement each other, and sometimes they simply trigger each other’s worst tendencies. That’s precisely what can make a relationship interesting to watch, but it doesn’t magically turn every problematic action into something romantic.
The fact that imperfect people can love deeply is absolutely true. But genuine feelings don’t automatically make every action that comes from those feelings healthy. We can appreciate the complexity of these characters without turning their dysfunction into something aspirational. Realism is not the same thing as validation, and understanding a behavior is not the same thing as excusing it.
Hm, I was thinking that I should just let some comments go and keep my fingertips to myself, but as you can see…
I think there’s a rather important distinction being made here between understanding flawed characters and excusing their behavior. Nobody is asking for a “green flag parade” or for fictional characters to be morally perfect. Complex, messy and dysfunctional people absolutely exist, and fiction should be allowed to portray them.
But calling something “realistic” doesn’t automatically make it healthy, justified, or beyond criticism. Real life relationships can contain jealousy, insecurity, impulsivity, poor coping mechanisms and emotional turmoil, but those things can also hurt other people. Acknowledging that reality doesn’t require us to romanticize it.
And I find the argument about “young netizens” particularly dismissive. You don’t need decades of life experience to recognize controlling, manipulative, disrespectful or coercive behavior. Likewise, being older doesn’t automatically make someone’s interpretation more nuanced. People can disagree about a character without one side being supposedly immature and the other having “won the lottery of human existence.”
What also seems contradictory to me is the claim that the story is uniquely “realistic” because the characters are flawed, while simultaneously treating criticism of those flaws as some kind of unrealistic moral standard. If the characters are genuinely complex, then criticism of their actions is part of engaging with that complexity.
You can love Yujin, understand why she behaves the way she does, empathize with her vulnerabilities and still acknowledge that some of her actions are problematic. Those positions aren’t mutually exclusive.
And honestly, saying that her personality is the “perfect counterbalance” to Minjae’s calmness doesn’t necessarily make their dynamic healthy. Sometimes opposites complement each other, and sometimes they simply trigger each other’s worst tendencies. That’s precisely what can make a relationship interesting, but it doesn’t make every decision they make romantic.
The fact that imperfect people can love deeply is absolutely true. But the fact that love is genuine doesn’t mean every behavior carried out in the name of that love should be defended. That isn’t moral superiority. It’s simply allowing nuance to work both ways.
As I said, this drama is basically ritual humiliation #347484i for the FL.
Honestly, it just makes me sad seeing a girl make herself sick over a guy... Like, this man literally tells her out of nowhere that he’s planning to leave for the US and never come back. Then he tells her, even when they’re at his place, that he doesn’t want to commit because he’s scared. Okay, fine, whatever.
But then he comes back to her and suddenly starts saying something completely different?? He keeps saying one thing and then the opposite. He’s constantly blowing hot and cold, and she’s the one who ends up suffering through all of this.
Not gonna lie, episode 4 was so cringe. At this point, it feels like the FL is just being humiliated over and over again, and even the kisses feel so pointless. It honestly feels like they're trying way too hard to force this relationship. I really like how realistic the drama is, but sometimes the characters' behavior makes absolutely no sense, and the plot just keeps going in circles. At this point, I'm honestly more interested in the FL's dynamic with the other professor.
I will defend- i dont think he knew everyone would show up, and who knows the wording he used when setting up…
Nah, I don't think he can be defended in this situation. In every other situation, I could understand his position and I think he was valid, but he genuinely fucked up here. I don't think the girl is stupid enough to willingly put herself in a situation like that. She might have idealized the whole thing in her head, sure, but I don't think she just somehow ignored the fact that other people would be there. Clearly, he didn't make it clear that the "date" was going to involve other people.
And even if they're his friends, what he did was still incredibly risky. You never truly know people like that, and you're basically dropping a complete stranger into a situation with three guys she doesn't know. Especially since all three of them showed up one after another, which makes it pretty obvious this was planned so they'd know the location and everything.
Not gonna lie, the whole blind date thing really put me off. Like, inviting her on a date and then just leaving her there with a bunch of guys like that… idk, I really didn’t like that. Even if they’re not bad people, that situation would still be pretty scary and uncomfortable.
I really like their dynamic though. She’s such a tsundere, and you can tell she’s been into him since the moment he helped her with her shoes. I feel like she can also tell that he’s actually a reliable guy and not a bad person, so there’s definitely some curiosity and intrigue there on her part.
But that ending to episode 2 was actually criminal.
Pour les intéressés, comme le drama n’a pas été pris en charge en France, j’ai réalisé moi-même le sous-titrage français (VOSTFR). Vous pouvez donc le visionner ici : https://www.linkslist.app/rqLBhgz
Et pour retrouver mes autres projets, vous pouvez rejoindre mon canal Telegram : https://t.me/Dramavore
Pour les intéressés, comme le drama n’a pas été pris en charge en France, j’ai réalisé moi-même le sous-titrage français (VOSTFR). Vous pouvez donc le visionner ici : https://www.linkslist.app/rqLBhgz
Et pour retrouver mes autres projets, vous pouvez rejoindre mon canal Telegram : https://t.me/Dramavore
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Pour les intéressés, comme le drama n’a pas été pris en charge en France, j’ai réalisé moi-même le sous-titrage français (VOSTFR). Vous pouvez donc le visionner ici : https://www.linkslist.app/rqLBhgz
Et pour retrouver mes autres projets, vous pouvez rejoindre mon canal Telegram : https://t.me/Dramavore
I'm only on episode 10 so far, but oh my god, Madam Yu's son, Jing Xiu, is SO insufferable. Like, Yake annoys me too, but at least I can understand her reasons and where she's coming from. With him, though, it's actually concerning.
Okay, he doesn't want his mother making every single decision for him, and that's understandable. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HE DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He blames Yake in his own head for selling her father's writings without even bothering to question WHY she did it in the first place. He only sees what suits his narrative and conveniently ignores everything else.
And the worst part is that HE'S THE ONE who gave her an ultimatum to testify against Tingyun in the first place??? Like, excuse me??? He's literally the reason she's in this position to begin with, yet he has the audacity to judge her for it. I don't see someone who's trying to stand up for himself. I see a coward who wants to have a say in everything without actually taking responsibility for his own choices. He's honestly so damn annoying.
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But calling something “realistic” doesn’t automatically make it healthy, justified, or beyond criticism. Real life relationships can contain jealousy, insecurity, impulsivity, poor coping mechanisms and emotional turmoil, but those things can also hurt other people. Acknowledging that reality doesn’t require us to romanticize it.
And there’s another aspect of Yujin’s character that I think gets overlooked. Beyond her emotional instability and insecurities, she doesn’t seem to have much of a life outside of Minjae. She has no real ambition or personal goal that we see, no particular passion or pursuit that gives her an identity beyond the relationship. Her everyday life basically revolves around one guy. And that matters when we’re talking about her attachment to him. The less you have going on in your own life, the easier it becomes for one person to occupy an enormous amount of your emotional and mental space. When you have fewer things to hold onto outside of a relationship, you’re more likely to make that relationship your entire world, which can very easily turn into obsession.
So I don’t think it’s particularly insightful to simply say, “She’s flawed and that’s realistic.” Of course she’s flawed. The more interesting question is what those flaws actually produce in her actions and in the relationship. Understanding where a behavior comes from can make a character more sympathetic, but it doesn’t automatically make that behavior excusable.
And honestly, I find the whole “young netizens” argument quite ironic. You’re criticizing people who dare to have a more critical or constructive reaction by dismissing them as “young and ignorant” people who apparently live in some kind of “care bears” world where everyone is perfect. In my case, I’m 26, so I’m not exactly a teenager who has never experienced the complexity of life. But even if someone were younger, that wouldn’t automatically invalidate their interpretation. Age doesn’t give anyone a monopoly on nuance, and being older doesn’t automatically make someone’s opinion more mature or correct.
What I also find problematic is the implication that because these characters are imperfect, their behavior should somehow be normalized or defended. Being able to recognize flaws in a character and appreciate good writing is one thing. Treating those flaws as something that shouldn’t be criticized because “real people are like that” is another. We can acknowledge that a character is emotionally complicated, understand where their behavior comes from, appreciate the writing, and still say that certain things they do are unhealthy, toxic, selfish or simply wrong.
And I think there’s also a trap worth pointing out here. When we strongly relate to a character or to the way they behave, that familiarity can make us overlook how problematic their actions actually are. You start seeing yourself in them, so their behavior feels validating rather than concerning. It’s kind of like that guy in the comments saying, “It feels good to see a girl insist on a guy,” as if her persistence were automatically romantic or admirable, when she has literally been rejected three times and keeps going despite having no respect for herself or for the other person’s boundaries. At some point, “she really fights for the person she loves” stops being a romantic gesture and starts looking like an inability to accept rejection. Relating to a character can help you understand them, but it shouldn’t prevent you from recognizing that some of their behaviors are absolutely not examples to follow.
That’s what nuance actually means. It’s not putting characters into a “good person/bad person” box. But it also isn’t refusing to criticize them just because their behavior is realistic. Something can be realistic without being healthy. Something can be understandable without being excusable. Something can be relatable without being something we should romanticize.
And saying that Yujin is the “perfect counterbalance” to Minjae because she is fierce while he is calm doesn’t necessarily make their dynamic healthy either. Sometimes opposites complement each other, and sometimes they simply trigger each other’s worst tendencies. That’s precisely what can make a relationship interesting to watch, but it doesn’t magically turn every problematic action into something romantic.
The fact that imperfect people can love deeply is absolutely true. But genuine feelings don’t automatically make every action that comes from those feelings healthy. We can appreciate the complexity of these characters without turning their dysfunction into something aspirational. Realism is not the same thing as validation, and understanding a behavior is not the same thing as excusing it.
But calling something “realistic” doesn’t automatically make it healthy, justified, or beyond criticism. Real life relationships can contain jealousy, insecurity, impulsivity, poor coping mechanisms and emotional turmoil, but those things can also hurt other people. Acknowledging that reality doesn’t require us to romanticize it.
And I find the argument about “young netizens” particularly dismissive. You don’t need decades of life experience to recognize controlling, manipulative, disrespectful or coercive behavior. Likewise, being older doesn’t automatically make someone’s interpretation more nuanced. People can disagree about a character without one side being supposedly immature and the other having “won the lottery of human existence.”
What also seems contradictory to me is the claim that the story is uniquely “realistic” because the characters are flawed, while simultaneously treating criticism of those flaws as some kind of unrealistic moral standard. If the characters are genuinely complex, then criticism of their actions is part of engaging with that complexity.
You can love Yujin, understand why she behaves the way she does, empathize with her vulnerabilities and still acknowledge that some of her actions are problematic. Those positions aren’t mutually exclusive.
And honestly, saying that her personality is the “perfect counterbalance” to Minjae’s calmness doesn’t necessarily make their dynamic healthy. Sometimes opposites complement each other, and sometimes they simply trigger each other’s worst tendencies. That’s precisely what can make a relationship interesting, but it doesn’t make every decision they make romantic.
The fact that imperfect people can love deeply is absolutely true. But the fact that love is genuine doesn’t mean every behavior carried out in the name of that love should be defended. That isn’t moral superiority. It’s simply allowing nuance to work both ways.
Honestly, it just makes me sad seeing a girl make herself sick over a guy... Like, this man literally tells her out of nowhere that he’s planning to leave for the US and never come back. Then he tells her, even when they’re at his place, that he doesn’t want to commit because he’s scared. Okay, fine, whatever.
But then he comes back to her and suddenly starts saying something completely different?? He keeps saying one thing and then the opposite. He’s constantly blowing hot and cold, and she’s the one who ends up suffering through all of this.
And even if they're his friends, what he did was still incredibly risky. You never truly know people like that, and you're basically dropping a complete stranger into a situation with three guys she doesn't know. Especially since all three of them showed up one after another, which makes it pretty obvious this was planned so they'd know the location and everything.
I really like their dynamic though. She’s such a tsundere, and you can tell she’s been into him since the moment he helped her with her shoes. I feel like she can also tell that he’s actually a reliable guy and not a bad person, so there’s definitely some curiosity and intrigue there on her part.
But that ending to episode 2 was actually criminal.
Pour les intéressés, comme le drama n’a pas été pris en charge en France, j’ai réalisé moi-même le sous-titrage français (VOSTFR). Vous pouvez donc le visionner ici : https://www.linkslist.app/rqLBhgz
Et pour retrouver mes autres projets, vous pouvez rejoindre mon canal Telegram :
https://t.me/Dramavore
Pour les intéressés, comme le drama n’a pas été pris en charge en France, j’ai réalisé moi-même le sous-titrage français (VOSTFR). Vous pouvez donc le visionner ici : https://www.linkslist.app/rqLBhgz
Et pour retrouver mes autres projets, vous pouvez rejoindre mon canal Telegram :
https://t.me/Dramavore
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Pour les intéressés, comme le drama n’a pas été pris en charge en France, j’ai réalisé moi-même le sous-titrage français (VOSTFR). Vous pouvez donc le visionner ici : https://www.linkslist.app/rqLBhgz
Et pour retrouver mes autres projets, vous pouvez rejoindre mon canal Telegram :
https://t.me/Dramavore
Okay, he doesn't want his mother making every single decision for him, and that's understandable. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HE DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He blames Yake in his own head for selling her father's writings without even bothering to question WHY she did it in the first place. He only sees what suits his narrative and conveniently ignores everything else.
And the worst part is that HE'S THE ONE who gave her an ultimatum to testify against Tingyun in the first place??? Like, excuse me??? He's literally the reason she's in this position to begin with, yet he has the audacity to judge her for it. I don't see someone who's trying to stand up for himself. I see a coward who wants to have a say in everything without actually taking responsibility for his own choices. He's honestly so damn annoying.