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Yes, I've been side eyeing her since then but she's still a more likeable character than Dao. As the story goes on I'm actually starting to care about Dhevi, can't say the same for Dao.

That's possible! I didn't think of that but I wouldn't put past them to do something like that.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. She seems like the princess of the family so everyone is bending to her wishes hence why even though her parents hate Naran they are willingly to "help" him, but we all know that this help is an insult to everything he is. Every episode i dislike Dao more and more, if she genuinely loved Naran she wouldn't stand for this disrespect nor she wouldn't want to change him for such selfish reasons.

Can we please talk about how Dao's parents planned to fund a newspaper for Naran without his prior knowledge, to elevate his status, while everyone else knew of it? He was fuming, that's like the nth slap to his face.

If you're a tanwa hater I don't trust you because he is the reminder that trauma doesn't magically disappear just because you've fallen in love like it happens in so many series, trauma follows you and ruins all the things that are good for you. And learning to live with those issue while trying to build the relationship both of you want takes time and effort and he IS putting in that work, it's just not that easy or fast

I will not take any slander of my boy Victor. People are already talking about character assassination when baby boy is just in love, let him be as he said he can be more than one thing, he can be a student who fights for the freedom of the people and the land, as well as a boy experiencing his first love

Perhaps we have different definitions of genuinely liking someone, because to me it's very clear that she doesn't genuinely like Naran, but rather it's about the idea she has of him, which is that he will change to fit her parents' standards someday for her (ex: her asking if he can make her parents like him). The thing is, she is not really understanding of his situation/job, she bears it, hoping for his change of heart in the matter. Don't get me wrong, Naran has his faults, but so does she, imo. Also, while her parents do not like him, they care very deeply about Dao, so I think it's not wrong to hypothesize that he might fear the consequences of breaking up with a woman with much more power than him, whose parents could literally ruin his life. He has a lot more to lose with a potential breakup than her.
Btw it's always great to hear different opinions, and while i may not agree with your reading, thank you for this exchange.

I'm coping and pasting a comment I wrote yesterday hoping to give you a little bit of insight:
What I'm going to say might ruffle some people's feathers, but this space is also for that. I do not like Dao. She's VERY beautiful, and I'm sure she has some good qualities, but she's just as pretentious and shallow as her parents. She pretends to be different by dating out of "love", but in the end, she's just like them, embarrassed by her boyfriend/fiancé(?) status and against his job. She doesn't let him speak, afraid of being further humiliated, and reprimands him for not wanting to take sh*t from her parents. Obviously, this doesn't excuse him from cheating (I shouldn't even have to say that), but just like that, cheating doesn't excuse her from being like that to the one she loves. Many ask why Naran doesn't break up with her, which is a fair question, but I'm here asking: why doesn't she break up with him since she doesn't seem to accept what makes Naran, Naran? I might sound too critical, but I'm assuring you that it's not the case, I just like analysing each character, and these are my overall thoughts on Dao.
Edit: I mean, if we look at their status, there is a power imbalance, so him being afraid of breaking up with her, fearing the consequences that it would entail as she comes from a more powerful family than his, is more understandable than her latching onto a guy she doesn't truly love.

Hi again! I know we've already talked about this but let me say one last thing: is it the cheating that is romanticized or is their love that is? Their love is more than just an affair. What you're saying is not wrong, but to me it sounds one-dimensional.

What I'm going to say might ruffle some people's feathers, but this space is also for that. I do not like Dao. She's VERY beautiful, and I'm sure she has some good qualities, but she's just as pretentious and shallow as her parents. She pretends to be different by dating out of "love", but in the end, she's just like them, embarrassed by her boyfriend/fiancé(?) status and against his job. She doesn't let him speak, afraid of being further humiliated, and reprimands him for not wanting to take sh*t from her parents. Obviously, this doesn't excuse him from cheating (I shouldn't even have to say that), but just like that, cheating doesn't excuse her from being like that to the one she loves. Many ask why Naran doesn't break up with her, which is a fair question, but I'm here asking: why doesn't she break up with him since she doesn't seem to accept what makes Naran, Naran? I might sound too critical, but I'm assuring you that it's not the case, I just like analysing each character, and these are my overall thoughts on Dao.
Edit: I mean, if we look at their status, there is a power imbalance, so him being afraid of breaking up with her, fearing the consequences that it would entail as she comes from a more powerful family than his, is more understandable than her latching onto a guy she doesn't truly love.

First, I apologize if my response seemed like an attack to you, it wasn't my intention. I decided to respond to you because from your previous responses on this topic, you seemed like someone reasonable. Second, I still believe that those letters do not romanticize cheating. Like i've previously mentioned, a lot of queer people fell victim to these unfortunate circumstances during those times, and while it is not morally right to cheat, it's also not morally right for society to threaten you just for being who you are. Those letters speak of who they are, their love, their dynamic, and it's their only way of being together in the open. Also, an "epic love" (whatever that means) does not need to be morally right, people who have a brain know that cheating is wrong you don't need them to question it (they know it's wrong, as well as we, watchers, do) but they also know that you can't evaluate people's choices and life in the 60s by the same standards of today.
Last, like i've said, they are both realistic couples, only dumb and biased people will not understand that.
Btw more than the company promoting their love story, i believe it's more about them letting in the viewers to the full context of those letters, which are ofter cropped in the episodes for obvious reasons. I may be wrong but this is how i see it.

Imo, both are realistic couples, just very different. Krailert and Naran did not have sex after 5 letters; it is implied that the music column has been going on for a while, as well as their edging each other through that. Saying that they romanticize cheating is also kinda tone-deaf, i understand not liking cheating i'm the same, but taking into account the time the cheating is taking place is fundamental because this is how most queer people used to live during those times, it was their only way to be themselves. Also, you do not choose who, why, and when you fall in love, it just happens.
Btw i find this whole couples' war very immature and stupid, people are bound to like different things, there's no need to uplift the couple you like by bringing the other down.

Looking at these comments, yours is a beacon of hope. "he should divorce her" "he should tell her" what's not clicking that we are talking about the very conservative and prejudiced reality of the 60s? Let's say that he divorces her, do you really think that the life of a divorced woman in the 60's would be a better option for Dhevi? Or let's say that he comes out to her, do you think that she would be accepting of him when she's clearly shown signs that she's her father's daughter?

why would we admit something that is entirely up to one's preference and way of feeling? Not everyone is gonna feel the same way

It is indeed tragic but so was the time

Exactly, his boss/father-in-law both doomed him, a gay man, and his own daughter to a life of misery. If they made disappear a movie star that easily, i don't think that making disappear a no-name lieutenant would have been much harder, hence why i don't see how he could have declined the marriage proposal. Btw i understand that the cheating may be a personal limit of yours but we must understand that the cheating is important to the story and made the romance between them possible, without crossing that boundary there would be no Naran and Krailert.

Is it really that fast-burning, tho? Both Krailert and Naran have been edging each other through the newspaper's column for god knows how long, it's only natural that when that intellectual chemistry is met with a physical attraction it will end up like that (also have we considered that they're closeted gays in the 60s that have no time or even the safety to explore themselves and take things to their desired pace?). Now, usually i would agree with the cheating part, but in this case specifically, it is kinda necessary for the romance. I'm not too sure about Naran, but Krailert is a gay man who was threatened and forced to marry a woman by her father, dooming them to a loveless marriage, so can you really blame him for trying to find a little bit of happiness? And if so, keeping in mind that this is set in the 60s, how should he act?

Krailert (colonel) was in a relationship with Win (movie star), the same man his boss made disappear. Naran has nothing to do with Win and their relationship.

don't get me wrong I'm with you, all i'm saying that it's not something we can exclude because we're just on episode 3 and while victor didn't show any sign as of now (besides the fact that he seems to enjoy debating/provoke trin and that COULD be an indicator of interest) it doesn't mean that it's not a possibility in the future.

saying that lert caused his lover's death is VERY fucked up btw