It's funny how not one person actually addresses the issues being raised. Instead, it was "don't watch it,"…
I’m curious - who is the pedo?
My best guess as to why people don’t care is they don’t believe it. They need to change privacy laws - I understand illegal surveillance and privacy, etc. EXCEPT in the case of this type of crime. Heinous crime like the one your saying someone in the drama has filed against them? They have no rights + can automatically go to prison + it should be longer than if they murder somebody. Cut and dry.
The problem is - is this person who you believe, did they ever get convicted, did the ever do time? If not, then - who knows? So, that my friend is what needs to change - the laws surrounding the crime. Otherwise, it is possible to blame someone who actually isn’t guilty.
Guys, just because AI is used doesn't automatically mean it's a bad thing. Unless you've actually recognized a…
problems with ai:
1) theft of art and literature - they “trained” their ai on real humans beings literature and artwork + DID NOT PAY those people. Often, the underlying artist/ writers works is reproduced almost verbatim. It is NOT the same as training a human being who then adds something of themselves. 1a) quality of art decreases. AI is not true intelligence or creativity, so what it creates becomes more and more bland.
2) data centers - data centers existed for cloud resources, but the amount needed for ai has caused a huge increase in data centers + have made the aggressive nature in how these corporations are grabbing land and actually sue poor small townships that try to stop them. The towns are in trouble either way. So HUGE unsustainable increase in demand. 2a) pollutants, increase in heat, noise, eye sore, pfas chemicals are forever chemicals and they are permanently destroying water our water supply.
3) ai bubble - ai is a huge bubble that will collapse and destroy economy, it’s a matter of time.
4) disparity of wealth - if ai can ever actually do what these tech bro ceos dream it can, those tech bros will replace workers with robots. Those robots can kill humans who protest. The uber wealthy will no longer need common men/ women at all for power or to fight their wars, so they will not care if they are starving.
5) until technology that doesn’t exist yet is invented, number 4 is impossible, BUT creating security threats is very real. Ai is perfect for making a hackers life easier. The amount of cyber attacks is throw the roof and hard working people loose while thieves win.
6) this type of ai tech does NOT scale like previous computer and digital tech. Some tech, like music cds, created a way to copy music so easily - creating huge economies of scale, efficiencies. Ai doesn’t scale in the same way - it actually gets more and more expensive the more complicated the task you give it.
7) I don’t like the deception coming out of the large ai companies- there’s so much misinformation it’s scary + it’s bad for society in general.
I’ll stop here. If ai was allowed to be introduced normally, without the huge deception of greedy ai corps misleading investors and users of the ai learning a tool that they’ll never be able to afford once they have to start charging for it - I’d say it’s kinda interesting techno, maybe it will be something one day. But a disaster is on the horizon + anyone with sense would see it coming.
I just saw the credits. I ADORE Park Eunbin, but I'M FED UP WITH AI! I feel like I can't watch anything normally…
Thanks for sharing list - it’s so upsetting for so many reasons, the artist they stole from, the decline in quality, the destruction of wilderness and clean water AND the danger to the economy when the bubble bursts.
AI tech isn’t sustainable- it doesn’t scale the same way other tech does, it actually gets more and more expensive the bigger it gets. The are praying that if they get enough people using it some technology that doesn’t exist yet will make it make sense.
Idiot greedy billionaires who will be completely sheltered from the horrible disaster they’re creating.
I just saw the credits. I ADORE Park Eunbin, but I'M FED UP WITH AI! I feel like I can't watch anything normally…
Awwwwww - darn it!!! I was really enjoying this, didn’t even realize ai crap was in it.
What’s the world coming to!!
I hate Amazon I hate oligopolistic corporations controlling everything I hate destruction of environment I hate lawyers and political maneuvering by billion corporations tricking local communities into building data structures that are destroying clean water when the ai slop is just and unsustainable economic bubble that does scale and is going to tank the economy and all these idiots backing are goin pg to just sail off away from the communities that they destroyed.
All for a shitier, less original art and product.
Good catch for seeing that in the credits - they should have to disclose that bs up front!!
Okay - so this is a total soap opera!! If you watch it knowing that, it is amusing and fun. And Ling He look gorgeous. First episode - these crazy plots are already in the works - babies switched at birth, girl friend who’s supposed to be dead turns up alive. If you want to take the story seriously, I’m not sure this is for you!
this is my most favorite Korean movie! (yeah, miserable bitches says its U.S movie, but for me it’s Korean movie…
I completely agree this is a Korean movie, just maybe not best ever 🤣🤣🤣 But yeah, the art director, director, song writer, voice actors, born in South Korea. Because a couple of them moved to Canada their suddenly not Korean makes zero sense to me.
Who are these people so furious about this being listed here?!
Honestly - just look at the cast and creators:
Maggie Kang - director - born in Seoul EJAE - singer, song writer - born in Seoul Ahn Hyo Seop - born in South Korea Lee Byung-hun - born in Seoul Kim Yoon - Jin - born in Daejeon South Korea Celine Dahyeu Kim - art director - born in South Korea
Lea Salonga - singer - born in Manila Philippines (still Asian) wendell dalit - born in Manila Philippines (artist) Scott Watanabe - Japanese- American (helped with anime layout and design) Ami Thompson - artist - born Osaka Japan
This is a story about Korea, drawn by people from Korea (or Asia,) directed by people from Korea, and voice acted by people from Korea or Asia. If they move to Canada they suddenly lose their ethnic identity?!
I almost understand the wanting of this on anime page - but then shouldn’t we take into consideration if this is more is Hanguk Aeni than anime? And yes, we do have one main American influence- Chris Appelhans - but good grief - if someone in the team isn’t Asian the whole production suddenly become “is not Asian” And who the heck does it hurt being on here? Seriously, you don’t like it, move on!
So, international and global influence, yes it does have this - but absolutely Korean creators, influence, artwork and subject matter. Why would anyone want to trash a beautiful production that so clearly both an homage and a tribute to Korean culture?
Sigh, not the AI disclaimers again. I kiiiind of wish an evil person of power gets screwed over by AI and then…
Yeah - I hear ya - I was going to watch this and as soon as I saw that disclaimer, I was like “nope!” I don’t even care if the show is actually good and not complete crap because of the ai slop — problem is it will be just like corporations putting more and more chemicals in our food over time, our shows are just going to get worse and worse over time. I might as well switch to reading books now and not support the evil data center owners destroying our land and polluting our water with pfas chemicals. Believe it or not - McDonalds and KFC were actually edible when I was young, now I’d feather eat cardboard. Same bs is now going to happen to our entertainment.
Here are examples -The centipede was AI. Before, CGI artists did the graphics art manually, with precise placements…
Yeah - I agree. Financial pressure will push the ai on us, as they’ll go for the cheapest form they can - and at first the ai will be done well enough people don’t notice or don’t care. - so I am very glad they have to say ai as this gives me hope.
My last hope - people angry at data centers producing pfas chemicals, destroying land, water and peace (they’re noisy) all while causing electricity cost to sky rocket. - these people will not watch anything that is “ai” tagged. Maybe then, the ai slop will loose $ and studios will stop trying to force it down peoples throats.
- it’s bad enough AI has ruined social media - are studios really going to start making “some scenes produced by AI” - what scenes? How much of this has replaced real actors and real cinematography? It destroys art - it’s not intelligent, its a LLM - it is a probability vector. What does that mean? - a race to mediocrity for art - all art will slowly move to the center becoming more and more bland. This is an inflection point, artificial “intelligence” is going to destroy media, they’ll be good quality show before this point in time, but over next couple years it will quickly get worse and worse. I’d rather read a book We as consumers can stop it - don’t watch ai, or it will be ALL there is, no one will spend the money to make real movices anymore 🥺
Saying his friends treating him badly is justified is clearly a biased opinion, incase you’re wondering there’s…
Things don’t happen in a vacuum - the question is where did the “bad” behavior start? Hint : it wasn’t the ML who started it. And not all of the other 7 people of the group hate him. Anyone who is sitting in a place of security and looks down their nose at someone else is a complete loser. And that is EXACTLY what a few of them have been doing. (They’re doing it because they’re scared too, they don’t want to become like him, so they treat him like shit believing he deserves it I order to make themselves feel better.)
They’re pretending they treat him badly because of his - but his behavior is the result of them being superioristic nitwits. So look into yourself: do you believe your good fortune in life is because you’re amazing and anyone who has less than you should grovel at your feet and kiss your butt? Then - yep -I understand why you’d side with the others in that group.
However , if you believe success is a combination of dumb luck, perseverance and talent - then you’ll be able to relate to the ML. The ML has talent, has had bad luck + his perseverance is drying up. He’s trying to cling onto it in any way he can. And his “friends” are looking down on him and sucking the life out of his perseverance.
As you already know, beauty is skin deep. The character Eun A makes perfect sense - although she is a natural…
Ah, yeah - I misspoke - I meant more not worth debating unless there is a possibility of agreement - while what I wrote sounded more like we would HAVE to agree, which doesn’t have to happen either. All I meant is that there are indeed people on social media sites that are looking to argue, not looking to see a diff ent perspective, they’re just looking for a fight - which didn’t really seem to me that was what you were doing - as in just try to argue.
… but after you posted “if it was a late 40 burnout no kids” + and again “late 40s go nowhere lonely” —> it DOES really sound like you think Eun A character holds value BECAUSE she is young - when I feel the opposite. And that comment could be fairly insulting to older women.
Also - I do know the phenomenon of which you speak - where only young gorgeous women have worth, while men of any age have worth just because they’re men. Although that isn’t true, we see that so much in art and literature that it becomes subconscious to the psyche and women internalize it. I guess I just don’t think it applies here as I saw EunA as broken and lonely and lost. She had no friends aside from her grandmother and she seemed miserable- I took this as a story of them both saving each other.
As you already know, beauty is skin deep. The character Eun A makes perfect sense - although she is a natural…
Got it! 🤣 Yeah - I believe their perspective is wrong + their view doesn’t impact my life or any of the people I care about lives … - but yeah, you’re right, it’s normally not any good to be pulled into a debate with someone who is never going to agree with you.
As you already know, beauty is skin deep. The character Eun A makes perfect sense - although she is a natural…
You know? I’m totally down with patriarchy bs being nonsense + if that’s what you’re trying to point out - yeah, totally hear you. Just it doesn’t sound like that’s your point at all as you made some unfortunately shallow and awful comments about 40 year old women going nowhere and implied they’re inherently unattractive by their very age - so, she’d suddenly be worthless if she was 40? Only attractive people + young people of both sexes can be seen on screen?
Thing is: I have ZERO issues with this story or how it’s cast.
I do have issue with: women only worth anything when they’re young and men have value at any age. BUT - you are saying he’s worth poop (because you believe him unattractive and old (gasp) and so he also needs an old and unattractive 40 (almost dead!) women by his side. So it sounds like you have a problem with old unsightly people - not that you have a problem with double standards and hypocrisy. And I cannot agree with you on this.
As you already know, beauty is skin deep. The character Eun A makes perfect sense - although she is a natural…
lol, no - no dancing around or “saying” anything, 🤣🤣🤣🤣 - just simple truth. I’ve known personally some gorgeous women who had to deal with mediocre looking very mean girls types - nasty creatures who had fancy cars from daddy, nice nails, but weird face and frizzy hair. They were cruel and belittling. They were nasty and felt need to fight to keep the idea they were somehow better than others because of their beautiful expensive purse. Those gorgeous model level girls went for the “guy who made them laugh” + guess, what - ended up super happy. Yeah, age difference- get your point somewhat - 10 years is easy to overcome- but 15 is a lot harder. Different musical preferences, different generation - harder to find perfect match. But is the 15 year age gap you speak of, is that actually diegetic to the story - or just the age between the actual actors. If it’s diegetic, I’d still say possible but harder to overcome.
I saw a gorgeous girl marry this sweetheart of a man 17 years older than her - her family was super upset and tried to stop. But her father was crazy temper/ abusive type - she’d tried to kill herself multiple times by the time she met the much older man. She was miserable and kinda mean herself until she met him - he calmed her and just adored her and I saw her heal her heart, and that made me think “oh, yeah, I see why she loves him.” Not an ideal age difference at all, but they still married and still happy - so it is actually possible + not a just say anything excuse. Matching on a personal note + finding someone who is kind to you is much better than some superficial bs on beauty.
My best guess as to why people don’t care is they don’t believe it.
They need to change privacy laws - I understand illegal surveillance and privacy, etc. EXCEPT in the case of this type of crime. Heinous crime like the one your saying someone in the drama has filed against them? They have no rights + can automatically go to prison + it should be longer than if they murder somebody.
Cut and dry.
The problem is - is this person who you believe, did they ever get convicted, did the ever do time?
If not, then - who knows?
So, that my friend is what needs to change - the laws surrounding the crime.
Otherwise, it is possible to blame someone who actually isn’t guilty.
1) theft of art and literature - they “trained” their ai on real humans beings literature and artwork + DID NOT PAY those people. Often, the underlying artist/ writers works is reproduced almost verbatim. It is NOT the same as training a human being who then adds something of themselves.
1a) quality of art decreases. AI is not true intelligence or creativity, so what it creates becomes more and more bland.
2) data centers - data centers existed for cloud resources, but the amount needed for ai has caused a huge increase in data centers + have made the aggressive nature in how these corporations are grabbing land and actually sue poor small townships that try to stop them. The towns are in trouble either way. So HUGE unsustainable increase in demand.
2a) pollutants, increase in heat, noise, eye sore, pfas chemicals are forever chemicals and they are permanently destroying water our water supply.
3) ai bubble - ai is a huge bubble that will collapse and destroy economy, it’s a matter of time.
4) disparity of wealth - if ai can ever actually do what these tech bro ceos dream it can, those tech bros will replace workers with robots. Those robots can kill humans who protest. The uber wealthy will no longer need common men/ women at all for power or to fight their wars, so they will not care if they are starving.
5) until technology that doesn’t exist yet is invented, number 4 is impossible, BUT creating security threats is very real. Ai is perfect for making a hackers life easier. The amount of cyber attacks is throw the roof and hard working people loose while thieves win.
6) this type of ai tech does NOT scale like previous computer and digital tech. Some tech, like music cds, created a way to copy music so easily - creating huge economies of scale, efficiencies. Ai doesn’t scale in the same way - it actually gets more and more expensive the more complicated the task you give it.
7) I don’t like the deception coming out of the large ai companies- there’s so much misinformation it’s scary + it’s bad for society in general.
I’ll stop here. If ai was allowed to be introduced normally, without the huge deception of greedy ai corps misleading investors and users of the ai learning a tool that they’ll never be able to afford once they have to start charging for it - I’d say it’s kinda interesting techno, maybe it will be something one day. But a disaster is on the horizon + anyone with sense would see it coming.
AI tech isn’t sustainable- it doesn’t scale the same way other tech does, it actually gets more and more expensive the bigger it gets.
The are praying that if they get enough people using it some technology that doesn’t exist yet will make it make sense.
Idiot greedy billionaires who will be completely sheltered from the horrible disaster they’re creating.
What’s the world coming to!!
I hate Amazon
I hate oligopolistic corporations controlling everything
I hate destruction of environment
I hate lawyers and political maneuvering by billion corporations tricking local communities into building data structures that are destroying clean water when the ai slop is just and unsustainable economic bubble that does scale and is going to tank the economy and all these idiots backing are goin pg to just sail off away from the communities that they destroyed.
All for a shitier, less original art and product.
Good catch for seeing that in the credits - they should have to disclose that bs up front!!
If you want to take the story seriously, I’m not sure this is for you!
But yeah, the art director, director, song writer, voice actors, born in South Korea. Because a couple of them moved to Canada their suddenly not Korean makes zero sense to me.
Honestly - just look at the cast and creators:
Maggie Kang - director - born in Seoul
EJAE - singer, song writer - born in Seoul
Ahn Hyo Seop - born in South Korea
Lee Byung-hun - born in Seoul
Kim Yoon - Jin - born in Daejeon South Korea
Celine Dahyeu Kim - art director - born in South Korea
Lea Salonga - singer - born in Manila Philippines (still Asian)
wendell dalit - born in Manila Philippines (artist)
Scott Watanabe - Japanese- American (helped with anime layout and design)
Ami Thompson - artist - born Osaka Japan
This is a story about Korea, drawn by people from Korea (or Asia,) directed by people from Korea, and voice acted by people from Korea or Asia.
If they move to Canada they suddenly lose their ethnic identity?!
I almost understand the wanting of this on anime page - but then shouldn’t we take into consideration if this is more is Hanguk Aeni than anime? And yes, we do have one main American influence- Chris Appelhans - but good grief - if someone in the team isn’t Asian the whole production suddenly become “is not Asian”
And who the heck does it hurt being on here? Seriously, you don’t like it, move on!
So, international and global influence, yes it does have this - but absolutely Korean creators, influence, artwork and subject matter.
Why would anyone want to trash a beautiful production that so clearly both an homage and a tribute to Korean culture?
I don’t even care if the show is actually good and not complete crap because of the ai slop — problem is it will be just like corporations putting more and more chemicals in our food over time, our shows are just going to get worse and worse over time.
I might as well switch to reading books now and not support the evil data center owners destroying our land and polluting our water with pfas chemicals.
Believe it or not - McDonalds and KFC were actually edible when I was young, now I’d feather eat cardboard. Same bs is now going to happen to our entertainment.
- so I am very glad they have to say ai as this gives me hope.
My last hope - people angry at data centers producing pfas chemicals, destroying land, water and peace (they’re noisy) all while causing electricity cost to sky rocket.
- these people will not watch anything that is “ai” tagged.
Maybe then, the ai slop will loose $ and studios will stop trying to force it down peoples throats.
- it’s bad enough AI has ruined social media - are studios really going to start making “some scenes produced by AI” - what scenes? How much of this has replaced real actors and real cinematography?
It destroys art - it’s not intelligent, its a LLM - it is a probability vector.
What does that mean? - a race to mediocrity for art - all art will slowly move to the center becoming more and more bland.
This is an inflection point, artificial “intelligence” is going to destroy media, they’ll be good quality show before this point in time, but over next couple years it will quickly get worse and worse.
I’d rather read a book
We as consumers can stop it - don’t watch ai, or it will be ALL there is, no one will spend the money to make real movices anymore 🥺
Hint : it wasn’t the ML who started it. And not all of the other 7 people of the group hate him.
Anyone who is sitting in a place of security and looks down their nose at someone else is a complete loser. And that is EXACTLY what a few of them have been doing. (They’re doing it because they’re scared too, they don’t want to become like him, so they treat him like shit believing he deserves it I order to make themselves feel better.)
They’re pretending they treat him badly because of his - but his behavior is the result of them being superioristic nitwits.
So look into yourself: do you believe your good fortune in life is because you’re amazing and anyone who has less than you should grovel at your feet and kiss your butt?
Then - yep -I understand why you’d side with the others in that group.
However , if you believe success is a combination of dumb luck, perseverance and talent - then you’ll be able to relate to the ML.
The ML has talent, has had bad luck + his perseverance is drying up. He’s trying to cling onto it in any way he can. And his “friends” are looking down on him and sucking the life out of his perseverance.
He needs someone to believe in him.
… but after you posted “if it was a late 40 burnout no kids” + and again “late 40s go nowhere lonely” —> it DOES really sound like you think Eun A character holds value BECAUSE she is young - when I feel the opposite.
And that comment could be fairly insulting to older women.
Also - I do know the phenomenon of which you speak - where only young gorgeous women have worth, while men of any age have worth just because they’re men. Although that isn’t true, we see that so much in art and literature that it becomes subconscious to the psyche and women internalize it. I guess I just don’t think it applies here as I saw EunA as broken and lonely and lost. She had no friends aside from her grandmother and she seemed miserable- I took this as a story of them both saving each other.
Yeah - I believe their perspective is wrong + their view doesn’t impact my life or any of the people I care about lives …
- but yeah, you’re right, it’s normally not any good to be pulled into a debate with someone who is never going to agree with you.
Just it doesn’t sound like that’s your point at all as you made some unfortunately shallow and awful comments about 40 year old women going nowhere and implied they’re inherently unattractive by their very age - so, she’d suddenly be worthless if she was 40?
Only attractive people + young people of both sexes can be seen on screen?
Thing is: I have ZERO issues with this story or how it’s cast.
I do have issue with: women only worth anything when they’re young and men have value at any age.
BUT - you are saying he’s worth poop (because you believe him unattractive and old (gasp) and so he also needs an old and unattractive 40 (almost dead!) women by his side.
So it sounds like you have a problem with old unsightly people - not that you have a problem with double standards and hypocrisy.
And I cannot agree with you on this.
I’ve known personally some gorgeous women who had to deal with mediocre looking very mean girls types - nasty creatures who had fancy cars from daddy, nice nails, but weird face and frizzy hair. They were cruel and belittling. They were nasty and felt need to fight to keep the idea they were somehow better than others because of their beautiful expensive purse.
Those gorgeous model level girls went for the “guy who made them laugh” + guess, what - ended up super happy.
Yeah, age difference- get your point somewhat - 10 years is easy to overcome- but 15 is a lot harder. Different musical preferences, different generation - harder to find perfect match.
But is the 15 year age gap you speak of, is that actually diegetic to the story - or just the age between the actual actors.
If it’s diegetic, I’d still say possible but harder to overcome.
I saw a gorgeous girl marry this sweetheart of a man 17 years older than her - her family was super upset and tried to stop. But her father was crazy temper/ abusive type - she’d tried to kill herself multiple times by the time she met the much older man. She was miserable and kinda mean herself until she met him - he calmed her and just adored her and I saw her heal her heart, and that made me think “oh, yeah, I see why she loves him.”
Not an ideal age difference at all, but they still married and still happy - so it is actually possible + not a just say anything excuse.
Matching on a personal note + finding someone who is kind to you is much better than some superficial bs on beauty.