Something like Perfect Crown is like grape juice. Sweet and goes down easily. This drama though is like rich vintage…
Yes, but people read and watch dramas for different reasons. I remember sitting in AP English and the professor was talking about “fluff” literature, that it was like eating cotton candy - all air. But I LIKE cotton candy. And I like Perfect Crown.
This series - this is extremely well written and acted and directed - it’s got all three - and I LOVE it!! But cotton candy has it place, and you can still enjoy it - it just doesn’t fill you up. If I could only watch one, I’d pick this drama - but since I can watch both, I’ll happily watch both 😉
Has anyone watched an episode of this drama, and then right after and gone and watched another drama that you pretty much had liked previously + they get to a scene where the actors crying and it supposed to be emotional ….. and it seems so flat?
We Are All Trying Here is on such a different level - it completely emotionally pulls you all the way in, completely - there is so much nuance and the writing is sublime and the acting is all in, for example, when Eun A explains to the actress why she needed to take that role, it was sooooo well acted, by everyone in the room, it felt like I was actually there and sitting in on a rather uncomfortable meeting.
I think this drama is setting the bar soooo high - I now want all the dramas I’m watching to be at this level.
There are some scenes in Ep 3 and 4 that show that a few members of this group 8 had started seriously looking…
Yeah, but unless you’ve plenty of money, you have to let go of material things to live like that. If you don’t show up for work, then you might lose your job. That’s why I said that I knew a couple of artist that way - they were able to live like that and still make enough to pay there bills because the nature of their work allowed a much more flexible lifestyle. But they obtained that lifestyle by not really caring about material things to begin with - that’s why I associate the two: being free and not caring about material things.
There are some scenes in Ep 3 and 4 that show that a few members of this group 8 had started seriously looking…
The ones I know who live that “real” life - they are either religious, a couple artist and musicians … personally- I can forgo many status symbols and fancy food, but I would have a hard time living without certain comforts - like hot showers + soft sheets … We all get pulled into the material things to some degree, it’s impossible not to - you can see how hard living life on the edge is on the ML and his brother. Trying to stay true to self and still keep the lights on is a balance.
So they used him and chewed him out like bubblegum..... Pathetic. Everyone was complaining about Dongmsn's behavior…
Exactly - they used him and they treated him badly because they felt guilty about it. It made sense there was a reason they were all keeping him around for so long - it seemed like only a couple of them really liked him on some level - the rest obviously looked down on him.
Hope he stays away for a while and let’s -Byeon Eun A treate him well so he learns his worth and what he is capable of 💕🥰
There are some scenes in Ep 3 and 4 that show that a few members of this group 8 had started seriously looking…
o.O - wow, yeah that’s really insightful- life isn’t about how perfect your clothes are or the car you drive. It’s really hard to not be pulled in by societal demands …
rating bombing has became a very common thing these days. the same had happened to some other ongoing series as…
Rating bombing really bothers me - but yeah they do it. They hit new dramas and try and to tank it out of the gate, it’s easier to impact a rating down with one star reviews and then to bring their drama that they got paid to inflate up. Just look at ratings of first four episode vs later episodes to have good idea of what the dramas rating truly is.
There are some scenes in Ep 3 and 4 that show that a few members of this group 8 had started seriously looking…
Yeah, I think mainly to me: just because he isn’t successful yet and hasn’t made it does NOT mean he is worthless and that the others are somehow better than him - and them treating him like their superior is what’s actually wrong. In other words, his behavior is in reaction to their snobbery NOT the cause of it.
There are some scenes in Ep 3 and 4 that show that a few members of this group 8 had started seriously looking down on him after they had success and he hadn’t yet. They started thinking they were better than him and he KNEW they looked down on him.
So the people who think he’s behaving badly, I ask - if someone is treating you terribly, do you really owe them respect? I don’t think so, I think his behavior towards them is fine - why on earth should he be happy for their success when they themselves are delighting in his failure?
And yes, he absolutely should have stopped hanging out with them a while ago - but they’d been his core social group for so long and I think the change in the group dynamic happened slowly over time. Also, not everyone in the group cannot stand him, there are three that still actually like him. And, he is having a hard time - that’s a core piece of the drama.
I’d agree that I’d be disappointed in our hero if we end the series and he hasn’t grown and changed himself - but I don’t think that’s the direction of this series.
Yeah - I thought this rating should be much much higher as this is the best series on right now, but then I started seeing some of the posts here with complaints about Dong Man and a couple posters even used curse words to describe him. If they don’t like the main character, they’re probably going to give the series a low score. Those people just don’t get him - why?
Maybe they’re skipping though scenes, this isn’t a series that you should do that, there is a lot of subtext.
Maybe they’ve never been through a really hard time themselves, so they just don’t get it.
But my feeling is - they aren’t picking up on all the subtext, it’s going over their head. The series shows us WHY he acts that way, and it makes complete sense (Further details below hidden for those who haven’t watched thru ep 4)
I guess - people either get it, or they don’t - I just wish that people wouldn’t rate the show badly just because they don’t understand what is going on.
I think people are thinking too black and white. Two things can be true. Especially for a very layered drama about…
I completely agree with you, his characters is complex - not everything he does is perfect. But that’s what makes us human, we make mistakes + have to keep going.
If anyone jumps to ML defense - I think it’s a natural instinct to seek a righteous and good path, and defend the person we believe is more correct.
For years, he’s KNOWN that a few of the people is his group look down on him. He’s known it, and he isn’t the type of person who is good at being fake, so he gives it back. Their insults are underhanded and clever, in disguise or behind his back — while his insults are right in their face. Personally, when I compare his behavior and their behavior, his wins. Their criticism (the characters in the story) fails as they’ve been worse than he.
Us, as viewers, we see both sides … for example, the lady who kicked him out of the bar - it shows her later telling him he can come back once he gets a girlfriend (she hopes that will help him constrain himself) - so she isn’t vicious in her rejection, she’s just trying to get her own husband to stop fixating on MLs behavior. Like, I see her and get her. But if it’s THEM vs ML, I side with ML. Perhaps posters who take exception to criticism of ML are defending him simply as they think the treatment he received from that group was already too much and what ML really needs is some care and compassion- that is what will help him calm down.
it’s been a while since I’ve loved a message board and all the posters on it as much as I am loving this one!!! 🥰😘 Thank you for all your comments and thoughts about the show — I need something to read while I have to wait for episode 5!
Episode 4:...the phone call. Wow, the phone call...I'm beginning to appreciate, rather than resent, that NF is…
So funny about the slow access - this is the first drama/ movie / book that has my mind spinning after I’m done watching - I cannot stop thinking about the meaning and the characters. If I could binge watch, I totally would. BUT, I’d miss the time to let the epsiode sink in + I’d miss all the reaction from the other people who seem to love this show as much as me!
imo I feel it’s an internal relatability for now. It’s a case of I don’t know why but get you and wanna…
“Thinking about this since yesterday” —> this drama does that, doesn’t it?! 🥰 Yes, I agree Can This Love be Translated also had that theme of understanding more than just the words - comprehending what the other person was saying, grasping the persons idiolect and all their subtext. They not only hear, but understand each other + they genuinely like what they hear. This drama is beautiful on so many levels, just like the beauty of the characters they’ve brought to life 🥰
It’s funny you say that, I was thinking earlier that only emotionally intelligent or people with empathy would enjoy this. A very self centered person just wouldn’t get it or understand what’s going on - they’d miss all the subtext. They’d only find Dong Man annoying and wouldn’t know how to empathize with his plight - so the entire plot would go ~whoosh!~ right over their head.
I remember sitting in AP English and the professor was talking about “fluff” literature, that it was like eating cotton candy - all air. But I LIKE cotton candy. And I like Perfect Crown.
This series - this is extremely well written and acted and directed - it’s got all three - and I LOVE it!!
But cotton candy has it place, and you can still enjoy it - it just doesn’t fill you up.
If I could only watch one, I’d pick this drama - but since I can watch both, I’ll happily watch both 😉
I feel so very spoiled right now, and I don’t want this series to end!
We Are All Trying Here is on such a different level - it completely emotionally pulls you all the way in, completely - there is so much nuance and the writing is sublime and the acting is all in, for example, when Eun A explains to the actress why she needed to take that role, it was sooooo well acted, by everyone in the room, it felt like I was actually there and sitting in on a rather uncomfortable meeting.
I think this drama is setting the bar soooo high - I now want all the dramas I’m watching to be at this level.
We all get pulled into the material things to some degree, it’s impossible not to - you can see how hard living life on the edge is on the ML and his brother.
Trying to stay true to self and still keep the lights on is a balance.
Hope he stays away for a while and let’s -Byeon Eun A treate him well so he learns his worth and what he is capable of 💕🥰
It’s really hard to not be pulled in by societal demands …
They hit new dramas and try and to tank it out of the gate, it’s easier to impact a rating down with one star reviews and then to bring their drama that they got paid to inflate up.
Just look at ratings of first four episode vs later episodes to have good idea of what the dramas rating truly is.
In other words, his behavior is in reaction to their snobbery NOT the cause of it.
So the people who think he’s behaving badly, I ask - if someone is treating you terribly, do you really owe them respect? I don’t think so, I think his behavior towards them is fine - why on earth should he be happy for their success when they themselves are delighting in his failure?
And yes, he absolutely should have stopped hanging out with them a while ago - but they’d been his core social group for so long and I think the change in the group dynamic happened slowly over time. Also, not everyone in the group cannot stand him, there are three that still actually like him. And, he is having a hard time - that’s a core piece of the drama.
I’d agree that I’d be disappointed in our hero if we end the series and he hasn’t grown and changed himself - but I don’t think that’s the direction of this series.
I love these first few episodes 🥰
Those people just don’t get him - why?
Maybe they’re skipping though scenes, this isn’t a series that you should do that, there is a lot of subtext.
Maybe they’ve never been through a really hard time themselves, so they just don’t get it.
But my feeling is - they aren’t picking up on all the subtext, it’s going over their head.
The series shows us WHY he acts that way, and it makes complete sense (Further details below hidden for those who haven’t watched thru ep 4)
I guess - people either get it, or they don’t - I just wish that people wouldn’t rate the show badly just because they don’t understand what is going on.
I am on of the ones who LOVES it!!
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If anyone jumps to ML defense - I think it’s a natural instinct to seek a righteous and good path, and defend the person we believe is more correct.
For years, he’s KNOWN that a few of the people is his group look down on him. He’s known it, and he isn’t the type of person who is good at being fake, so he gives it back. Their insults are underhanded and clever, in disguise or behind his back — while his insults are right in their face. Personally, when I compare his behavior and their behavior, his wins. Their criticism (the characters in the story) fails as they’ve been worse than he.
Us, as viewers, we see both sides … for example, the lady who kicked him out of the bar - it shows her later telling him he can come back once he gets a girlfriend (she hopes that will help him constrain himself) - so she isn’t vicious in her rejection, she’s just trying to get her own husband to stop fixating on MLs behavior. Like, I see her and get her. But if it’s THEM vs ML, I side with ML.
Perhaps posters who take exception to criticism of ML are defending him simply as they think the treatment he received from that group was already too much and what ML really needs is some care and compassion- that is what will help him calm down.
Thank you for all your comments and thoughts about the show — I need something to read while I have to wait for episode 5!
Yes, I agree Can This Love be Translated also had that theme of understanding more than just the words - comprehending what the other person was saying, grasping the persons idiolect and all their subtext. They not only hear, but understand each other + they genuinely like what they hear.
This drama is beautiful on so many levels, just like the beauty of the characters they’ve brought to life 🥰
They’d only find Dong Man annoying and wouldn’t know how to empathize with his plight - so the entire plot would go ~whoosh!~ right over their head.