Yeah, if they were four legal drugs, no one would care and everything would be fine. Weed, coke, and black market…
Youre strawmanning my points, twisting them into something they're not in order to make your point.
My point is that the difference between legal addiction and criminal addiction is largely arbitrary. For example, benzos are powerfully addictive, so much so that just a few DAYS of use can cause physical dependence, and benzo dependence can be life threatening to try to quit. Small children are often prescribed ritalin just because they can't sit still through their classes, and ritalin is pharma-grade amphetamines. Doctors make people into junkies - legally - all the time. The state arbitrarily decides what addictions are legal and which ones aren't. And so calling him a "criminal" is largely irrelevant to his addiction problems.
If you were to say "well it IS criminal".... so is jaywalking. Would you call someone who didn't cross the street in a crosswalk a criminal too? People overdrive speed limits all the time all over the world. Are those people "criminals" because they broke the speed limit laws? Would you refer to those people as criminals?
So what I'm saying is that calling him a criminal in this context, to me, sounds like bullying a victim of addiction.
He needs to go away for awhile. All of this is very serious. Four illegal drugs in his system? Abusing the medical…
Yeah, if they were four legal drugs, no one would care and everything would be fine. Weed, coke, and black market tranquilizers, noooo.... ritalin, alcohol, ativan and prozac? No problem!
That's mature. Send one to Yoo Ah In too while you're at it. And send a big f-you to South Korea... that's what…
>Send one to Yoo Ah In too while you're at it.
that doesn't make any sense.
>And send a big f-you to South Korea...
also doesn't make any sense. Just for starters, where exactly would one send such a letter to? Does sKorea have a customer service line we can call and cancel our subscription to sKorea?
And who said netflix had to "do nothing", there's a false dichotomy... Someone else here pitched a possibly good idea to just block it in SKorea. Also by stopping/delaying the release netflix is losing money. So do you think when faced with the choice of either saying eff sKorea, or eff ourselves... that netflix should just eff themselves instead?
Can't these actors, who very well know what is at stake, be more careful with their lifestyle choices? I mean…
"How difficult is it not to take drugs"
That depends on many factors that you obviously don't care to consider. That answer will be different for everyone, because everyone is different, and in a circumstance unique to them.
You're assuming he's taking the drugs because "he thinks he's smarter than others", and then withholding compassion because of your own hefty assumptions of what you imagine to be his motivation, circumstance and his character.
I've noticed in life that when people go around with that kind of attitude, it happens more often than not that that same attitude will come around eventually and bite that person in the a**. One day you could end up in a situation that is different than it looks, wanting or needing compassion from others...
No one is saying it’s ok cuz their country said so. It just a logical reasoning that drug use is a call of help…
I think you sound inquisitive and compassionate, and I don't think you should let those people discourage you from your dreams!! GO FOR IT <3 <3 <3 <3!!!
No one is saying it’s ok cuz their country said so. It just a logical reasoning that drug use is a call of help…
When we reach the day that hospital negligence isn't in the top 3 causes of death in the hospital, maybe i'd give your arguments more credence. I dont think people should go around acting like your doctor should be listened to over what your own body is telling you. Lots of doctors take that 10 years they studied and lord it over you, using it as a way to discount anything you say to them, telling you your symptoms aren't real or aren't important when you think they are.... a doctor and patient should be a partnership, not a relationship like cattle-and-vet. But what kind of partnership can you have with a doctor that discounts your own perceptions of your symptoms, and treats you like a moron? There's no trust there.
Still, I appreciate intelligent and reasonable back-and-forth on the issue. Your points aren't bad. But I mean, some people get messed up bad by unquestioningly taking their doctors advice on things. So not all doctors are created equal, just like not all patients are. That means you can't just go in and trust your doctor out of hand. Trust still has to be earned. Especially with people who have been maimed by the medical industry. Ideally, you should be paying a doctor to use their expertise to enhance your health. But that's not usually how it goes when you go in places. Lots of times a doctor will rush your visit, ignore or not fully listen to all your symptoms, if you have a medication you aren't liking, they can tell you you just need to keep taking it, or they can put you on meds that mess you up, like say for instance a doctor can easily accidentally give someone a nasty benzo addiction, I've seen it many times. Or they can be so convinced their diagnosis is correct that when you present an alternative, or their treatments arent working, they still insist they are right to the point that your underlying condition becomes advanced by the time it's correctly diagnosed.
Some people are truly stupid about their bodies, sure. But when a doctor treats everyone they see like they're stupid about their health just because they didn't go to formal school for it, that can be just as dangerous as someone trying to self medicate.
There are a lot of people who can't just get to a doctor over every little thing that goes wrong. So there are people who will take, say, milk thistle for their liver, to try to prevent having to see a doc about their liver. Are those people wrong or stupid to use an herbal treatment first? Maybe yes, if they don't know what theyre doing, But maybe they are actually being smart about their health. So a doctor, IMO, should not be seen as the end all be all of your health... one should take ultimate responsibility for their own health whenever they can. And if they do, doctors shouldn't necessarily see that as the patient stepping on their toes, or being an idiot cowboy about their health.
The quality of care you get from a doctor isn't standardized at all. You sound like you will one day make a fine doctor. But a person's experience as a patient with just a random doctor, I don't think just because someone has a medical degree that should make them the final say about what you do or dont do with your body.
I think self-medication is something that there's good reasons why people do it sometimes, and they're not always being stupid about it. I don't like that the dumbest among us dictate the rules we all have to live by.
No one is saying it’s ok cuz their country said so. It just a logical reasoning that drug use is a call of help…
THC is the component in weed that gets you stoned. CBD has no THC in it, and has no mind altering properties, only pain relief. So you don't "do" CBD's any more than you would "do coffee" or "do acetaminophen" or "do sugar".
Medical community is hypocritical for acting like Ritalin is perfectly fine, but meth is wrong, oxycodone is fine, but street opiates are not. There are things that affect your health and your mental state that the medical community looks the other way on, like high fructose corn syrup, trans-fats, pharmaceutical-grade prescription drugs that are the same as or worse than street drugs. A doctor will frown on ANY weed consumption, but look the other way when someone drinks lightly. When it's just a plain fact that alcohol is more addictive and more destructive. They can say "oh well you only have 2 drinks a day so it's not so bad" and yet look down on people who occasionally partake in a few tokes off a joint, as if that's worse. From a purely biological standpoint it is not worse. Sugar kills so many people, alters your biology, affects your mood, and is insanely addictive, and yet there is no "sugar rehab", and no stigma attached, no crime to overconsume it, and why is that? Because the sugar industry pays a lot of money to ensure that's how it is.
Doctors think its okay for THEM to prescribe people mind-altering drugs that are detrimental to your health, and for THEM to tell you what to consume and what not to consume, what is acceptable and what is not. But God forbid the patient attempt to self-medicate on their own. Spiritually, that mindset doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
A person who overeats oreos and fast food every day is treated better by the medical community than someone who smokes a joint on the weekend. A person who is taking prescription oxycodone is treated better than someone who buys it on the street, when it's the SAME substance. None of it makes any sense at all. And yet people just unquestioningly go along with it, and act like the medical industry has the right to determine what is okay and what is not okay for your own body, and you don't. Like you are too stupid to know what to do with your body, but your doctor is not? It's lunacy.
Ah yes, South Korea, the nation where they'll destroy your career because you have an addiction and do their very…
I've seen shows where characters are drinking so much, that if you actually do the math on how much they weigh and how much alcohol they are portrayed as consuming, in real life that would be deadly. They brag on how much they can drink, or make fun of people with low alcohol tolerance and people who don't drink. Many shows romanticize alcoholism and irresponsible/life threatening levels of alcohol consumption. And this is apparently a completely acceptable message to send their viewers?
The korean entertainment industry is one of the most toxic cultures I've ever seen. The entertainers can't have unsanctioned relationships, can't gain so much as a pound, carve themselves up with plastic surgery until it's ridiculous looking just to compete, and can never say the wrong thing no matter where they go. I saw a video with Leo from VIXX once where he is backstage saying he weighs too much, so he's only allowed to eat one meal a day, and the meal they show is a small portion of meat and vegetables. On what planet does Leo weigh too much? So after being mutilated, starved, controlled, and caged by their own popularity, then when they try to cope with that pain through self-medication, they are vilified and cut out of the industry as though they never existed.
Its ironic that the same industry that's so concerned about "morals", is so incredibly immoral itself. No wonder suicide is rampant among performers and entertainers there. The hypocrisy of it all is completely repulsive.
How do I even put it into words... The Japanese drama and the Korean drama are two different stories. And not just because of the you-know-what difference in the plot. The characters are different, the aesthetic is different, the feeling it leaves you with is different.
The J-version is based much more around the plot, the hidden aspects of their characters, the irredeemability of each of them. They are more flawed characters. Even though it's Japanese, it really reminds me in many ways of What Happened in Bali... the feel of the cinematography and direction, the unlikeability of each character, the messiness of the plot as it develops, the distinctly old-school dorama feel, the same sort of ending. The J-story is heavily focused on human weaknesses, psychological undertones, needs and desires, impulsivity.
The K-version is based around the feelings of the heart, emotions of love and affection, and the chemistry of the ML and FL. Both stories are dark, but when Koreans do 'dark' it tends to be more smooth and subtle... The casting of the K-version was so good, the acting leaps out at you and you can feel what all the characters are feeling. The ML/FL chemistry is fiery. The time they take with character development adds to the richness of the feel of the show. The characters are re-worked to make each of them truly loveable - you are rooting for all of them. They all are redeemable. Which makes the tragedy that much more of a tragedy.
A perfect example of this is how in the J-Drama, the ML takes a pet bird. In the K-Drama, ML takes in a pet kitten. It's impossible to say one is better than the other. The Japanese version's bird adds a layer of poetic symbolism to the story. The bird represents something that will be unhappy caged, and equally unhappy free. Its singing changes the atmosphere of some of the scenes. It represents vulnerability. The Korean versions kitten represents sweetness and affection, closeness and emotional connection. It is free and dependent at the same time. There is symbology to the kitten, but it serves more as a literal emotional connection for the ML and FL.
Think of the K-version as a cover-song, done well. It sounds enough like the original to be completely recognizable, and yet is it's own creative variation on the song. The original version is treated with respect by the cover-artist, and executed with creativity and artistic license. What you get is two very different songs, each beautiful in it's own right.
To me the J-version is like Elvis Costello meets Quentin Tarantino. The K-version is like Ella Fitzgerald meets David Lynch.
I had a mixed reaction to this. The pacing of this show feels drawn out and doesn't hold my attention in any kind of dazzling or meaningful way. There were a few spicy scenes in the beginning, but none toward the end. The acting was fine but not great (but then, there really wasn't much script for them to work with).
As can be typical for a certain segment of J-drama, these are characters that aren't 100% relatable or likeable. They make decisions you probably wouldn't make, say things you probably wouldn't say.
But there were also good parts of this drama too. The actors are all decently good looking, decent at acting, and none of the actors/characters are annoying or outright evil or psycho. The wardrobe/hair&makeup/aesthetic was entirely passable. Which to me is refreshing.
I think maybe the best part of this drama was that I found it amusing how they made so much drama out of such little things, but then downplayed things that were in actuality more dramatic. It reminded me of what it was like to be young and in school. There's an episode where the entire drama centers around this cake. I was chuckling at how much dramatic mileage they got out of a single stupid cake. But then they'll kind of skim over stuff like estranged family or casual sex. I thought that it came off as cute/disturbing.
I think this would be a great show to watch when you need something emotionally numbing, distracting, soothing, or mildly amusing. I would not watch this if I was looking for something spicy, and I wouldn't watch it if I was looking for something enthralling and epic.
I thought this was horrible. There were some good aspects to it.... each episode is kind of thrilling, with good story flow and great martial arts scenes. There is also a lot of good acting in this drama. But the music, which starts out as unobtrusive and beautiful, becomes an annoying crescendo by the final episodes. Final episodes rely way too much on memory flashback montages. The ending is not the payoff you think it's going to be, and is extremely abrupt. This drama started off strong, powered through it's middle episodes well, and then petered out at the end in a way I distinctly disliked.
I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, (and I happen to think that the ML is gorgeous), but does a leading character…
No, if there's say... a good plot, excellent acting, a director who knows how to captivate, a fascinating script. In the absence of substance, all one has is one's looks. This drama didn't have any substance worth watching, and in the absence of that substance, didn't even have any eye candy to compensate for it. There was nothing noteworthy about it. To me this is like something to watch when you've watched everything else and you're incredibly bored.
Physically pains me he's never the lead. He's so captivating.
I'm watching Ancient Love Poetry, and that's exactly how I felt when I saw him for the first time. I was like "Ach, god! Who is that... and why isn't he the ML." and now I just wait for his scenes, and can't take my eyes off him.
"I'll kiss you so hard next time, your insides will throb." YESSSSSS, BABY! I LOVE IT!!!! 😂😂"I can take…
I was going to write a little review, but you said everything I was going to say! Soooo spicy!!! There was a cheese factor to it, but I think it works in this drama.
I gave it an 8, the points off are for a tiresome bodyswap plot-diversion, and the fact that they kind of gave the ML too much comedy which at some points really messes with his whole "badass" vibe, and by the end of the show he's just way too cucked to the point where the sexiness of the ML they show you at the beginning just gradually sputters out.
This was so terrible. ML not hot, FL not hot, zero spice. On top of that, it was one of those dramas that's having an identity crisis - not a suspense, not a mystery, not a romance, not a comedy... just a confused mish-mash of aesthetics and story. Park Soo Young (who plays FL's dad) was the best part of this drama. One of the lowest scores I've ever given a show.
My point is that the difference between legal addiction and criminal addiction is largely arbitrary. For example, benzos are powerfully addictive, so much so that just a few DAYS of use can cause physical dependence, and benzo dependence can be life threatening to try to quit. Small children are often prescribed ritalin just because they can't sit still through their classes, and ritalin is pharma-grade amphetamines. Doctors make people into junkies - legally - all the time. The state arbitrarily decides what addictions are legal and which ones aren't. And so calling him a "criminal" is largely irrelevant to his addiction problems.
If you were to say "well it IS criminal".... so is jaywalking. Would you call someone who didn't cross the street in a crosswalk a criminal too? People overdrive speed limits all the time all over the world. Are those people "criminals" because they broke the speed limit laws? Would you refer to those people as criminals?
So what I'm saying is that calling him a criminal in this context, to me, sounds like bullying a victim of addiction.
that doesn't make any sense.
>And send a big f-you to South Korea...
also doesn't make any sense. Just for starters, where exactly would one send such a letter to? Does sKorea have a customer service line we can call and cancel our subscription to sKorea?
And who said netflix had to "do nothing", there's a false dichotomy... Someone else here pitched a possibly good idea to just block it in SKorea. Also by stopping/delaying the release netflix is losing money. So do you think when faced with the choice of either saying eff sKorea, or eff ourselves... that netflix should just eff themselves instead?
That depends on many factors that you obviously don't care to consider. That answer will be different for everyone, because everyone is different, and in a circumstance unique to them.
You're assuming he's taking the drugs because "he thinks he's smarter than others", and then withholding compassion because of your own hefty assumptions of what you imagine to be his motivation, circumstance and his character.
I've noticed in life that when people go around with that kind of attitude, it happens more often than not that that same attitude will come around eventually and bite that person in the a**. One day you could end up in a situation that is different than it looks, wanting or needing compassion from others...
Still, I appreciate intelligent and reasonable back-and-forth on the issue. Your points aren't bad. But I mean, some people get messed up bad by unquestioningly taking their doctors advice on things. So not all doctors are created equal, just like not all patients are. That means you can't just go in and trust your doctor out of hand. Trust still has to be earned. Especially with people who have been maimed by the medical industry. Ideally, you should be paying a doctor to use their expertise to enhance your health. But that's not usually how it goes when you go in places. Lots of times a doctor will rush your visit, ignore or not fully listen to all your symptoms, if you have a medication you aren't liking, they can tell you you just need to keep taking it, or they can put you on meds that mess you up, like say for instance a doctor can easily accidentally give someone a nasty benzo addiction, I've seen it many times. Or they can be so convinced their diagnosis is correct that when you present an alternative, or their treatments arent working, they still insist they are right to the point that your underlying condition becomes advanced by the time it's correctly diagnosed.
Some people are truly stupid about their bodies, sure. But when a doctor treats everyone they see like they're stupid about their health just because they didn't go to formal school for it, that can be just as dangerous as someone trying to self medicate.
There are a lot of people who can't just get to a doctor over every little thing that goes wrong. So there are people who will take, say, milk thistle for their liver, to try to prevent having to see a doc about their liver. Are those people wrong or stupid to use an herbal treatment first? Maybe yes, if they don't know what theyre doing, But maybe they are actually being smart about their health. So a doctor, IMO, should not be seen as the end all be all of your health... one should take ultimate responsibility for their own health whenever they can. And if they do, doctors shouldn't necessarily see that as the patient stepping on their toes, or being an idiot cowboy about their health.
The quality of care you get from a doctor isn't standardized at all. You sound like you will one day make a fine doctor. But a person's experience as a patient with just a random doctor, I don't think just because someone has a medical degree that should make them the final say about what you do or dont do with your body.
I think self-medication is something that there's good reasons why people do it sometimes, and they're not always being stupid about it. I don't like that the dumbest among us dictate the rules we all have to live by.
Medical community is hypocritical for acting like Ritalin is perfectly fine, but meth is wrong, oxycodone is fine, but street opiates are not. There are things that affect your health and your mental state that the medical community looks the other way on, like high fructose corn syrup, trans-fats, pharmaceutical-grade prescription drugs that are the same as or worse than street drugs. A doctor will frown on ANY weed consumption, but look the other way when someone drinks lightly. When it's just a plain fact that alcohol is more addictive and more destructive. They can say "oh well you only have 2 drinks a day so it's not so bad" and yet look down on people who occasionally partake in a few tokes off a joint, as if that's worse. From a purely biological standpoint it is not worse. Sugar kills so many people, alters your biology, affects your mood, and is insanely addictive, and yet there is no "sugar rehab", and no stigma attached, no crime to overconsume it, and why is that? Because the sugar industry pays a lot of money to ensure that's how it is.
Doctors think its okay for THEM to prescribe people mind-altering drugs that are detrimental to your health, and for THEM to tell you what to consume and what not to consume, what is acceptable and what is not. But God forbid the patient attempt to self-medicate on their own. Spiritually, that mindset doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
A person who overeats oreos and fast food every day is treated better by the medical community than someone who smokes a joint on the weekend. A person who is taking prescription oxycodone is treated better than someone who buys it on the street, when it's the SAME substance. None of it makes any sense at all. And yet people just unquestioningly go along with it, and act like the medical industry has the right to determine what is okay and what is not okay for your own body, and you don't. Like you are too stupid to know what to do with your body, but your doctor is not? It's lunacy.
Its ironic that the same industry that's so concerned about "morals", is so incredibly immoral itself. No wonder suicide is rampant among performers and entertainers there. The hypocrisy of it all is completely repulsive.
How do I even put it into words... The Japanese drama and the Korean drama are two different stories. And not just because of the you-know-what difference in the plot. The characters are different, the aesthetic is different, the feeling it leaves you with is different.
The J-version is based much more around the plot, the hidden aspects of their characters, the irredeemability of each of them. They are more flawed characters. Even though it's Japanese, it really reminds me in many ways of What Happened in Bali... the feel of the cinematography and direction, the unlikeability of each character, the messiness of the plot as it develops, the distinctly old-school dorama feel, the same sort of ending. The J-story is heavily focused on human weaknesses, psychological undertones, needs and desires, impulsivity.
The K-version is based around the feelings of the heart, emotions of love and affection, and the chemistry of the ML and FL. Both stories are dark, but when Koreans do 'dark' it tends to be more smooth and subtle... The casting of the K-version was so good, the acting leaps out at you and you can feel what all the characters are feeling. The ML/FL chemistry is fiery. The time they take with character development adds to the richness of the feel of the show. The characters are re-worked to make each of them truly loveable - you are rooting for all of them. They all are redeemable. Which makes the tragedy that much more of a tragedy.
A perfect example of this is how in the J-Drama, the ML takes a pet bird. In the K-Drama, ML takes in a pet kitten. It's impossible to say one is better than the other. The Japanese version's bird adds a layer of poetic symbolism to the story. The bird represents something that will be unhappy caged, and equally unhappy free. Its singing changes the atmosphere of some of the scenes. It represents vulnerability. The Korean versions kitten represents sweetness and affection, closeness and emotional connection. It is free and dependent at the same time. There is symbology to the kitten, but it serves more as a literal emotional connection for the ML and FL.
Think of the K-version as a cover-song, done well. It sounds enough like the original to be completely recognizable, and yet is it's own creative variation on the song. The original version is treated with respect by the cover-artist, and executed with creativity and artistic license. What you get is two very different songs, each beautiful in it's own right.
To me the J-version is like Elvis Costello meets Quentin Tarantino. The K-version is like Ella Fitzgerald meets David Lynch.
As can be typical for a certain segment of J-drama, these are characters that aren't 100% relatable or likeable. They make decisions you probably wouldn't make, say things you probably wouldn't say.
But there were also good parts of this drama too. The actors are all decently good looking, decent at acting, and none of the actors/characters are annoying or outright evil or psycho. The wardrobe/hair&makeup/aesthetic was entirely passable. Which to me is refreshing.
I think maybe the best part of this drama was that I found it amusing how they made so much drama out of such little things, but then downplayed things that were in actuality more dramatic. It reminded me of what it was like to be young and in school. There's an episode where the entire drama centers around this cake. I was chuckling at how much dramatic mileage they got out of a single stupid cake. But then they'll kind of skim over stuff like estranged family or casual sex. I thought that it came off as cute/disturbing.
I think this would be a great show to watch when you need something emotionally numbing, distracting, soothing, or mildly amusing. I would not watch this if I was looking for something spicy, and I wouldn't watch it if I was looking for something enthralling and epic.
Still a great drama, though.