I think people who are fine with the ending because they had a fake marriage and needed to sort it out, forget…
For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like. strange how those 35 episodes are not bothersome but only when the ML interacts with his own ex does it become bothersome.
I like this showbutthis is basically another typical Kdrama.it's only the FL with this maturity of talking about…
exactly, and that's why I find it funny when people say a particular kdrama or Cdrama is MATURE or REALISTIC..
no, they are not. Not even a single one of them is mature or realistic. For starters the ML's in these dramas are the fakest men in existence.
These are just dramas written for consumption of particular segment who want to see men in a very specific way that suits their fantasies.
It's a bit surprising that the answer to sexism from men is sexism from women! And it looks to be typical asian drama trope, even violence, the sheer amount of dramas that has FL thrashing ML. Again, the answer to violence against women in these dramas seems to be violence against men.
if the solution of these social issues as shown in these dramas is to make women behave like men from middle ages, then god help society. These dramas on one hand preach equality but in reality all they project is equity.
Utopia for targeted audience? Yes mature and realistic? Laughably no.
So happy to watch a more mature k-drama and, hopefully, lose the “circling” I find with the 16 episode format.…
I like this show but this is basically another typical Kdrama.
it's only the FL with this maturity of talking about sex, commenting on men's anatomy and interactions with other men. the ML, like most other Kdramas and Cdramas is straight out of a monastery, does not talk about sex, never looks at any women objectifying them like most FL's do men and will not have any interactions with other women like the FL has with other men.
Just 2 look at first 2 episodes, how many times do the FL and her bestie talk about sex & discuss men vis a vis shagging them? And how many times does the ML does the same?
This is not just this drama, it's pretty much most Kdramas and Cdramas. the ML will almost never have this kind of storylines written for them, only the FL does.
Should have like this drama, usually I crave these dramas. Some how it got boring and boring. ML had one expression through out the drama & the FL was acting like a teenage girl.
the priest 2ML was the only interesting character.
but why do the writers have to make FL character into a whiny stupid teenager?
She gets attacked repeatedly, almost losing her life multiple times and what does the FL do. Get drunk out of her senses and act whiny as if she just hit puberty. And episode 1 wants us to believe that she is next in life for one of the top companies in Korea.
Even god cannot save Korean FL's from these stupid writers.
Actually I would consider the best or perfect partner is not always the same for everyone. For example for fl…
no disagreement on idea of perfect partner being different to everyone.
but, just want to know if we can really name a single successful woman who married a regular looking nice guy who is a stay at home husband? Pretty sure there must be at least one case we can point to as an example amongst Chinese and Korean actresses where they married a regular Joe who just cooked, cleaned and massaged her?
coming to the drama, my point was the theme was confusing. What the drama wanted to show was stereotypical roles for women as negative are pretty much shown as the positives when it came to ML. The whole premise that FL fell for ML because of those reasons is wrong. She had a serious relationship with 2ML for many years whom she loved.
Her fear of commitment is a different theme altogether, again, it was confusing. She had no right to demand someone to be around her when she would not commit. The drama does not expand on this especially considering she was ready to marry her ex.
And the last theme that was funny was how for 35 episodes she kept having her own interactions with 2ML while the ML just looked on haplessly and started wailing when ML was seen with another girl.
The underlying themes of the drama were confusing.
The challenges women face at workplace & Gender roles in modern society are absolutely nice and necessary themes to address but the drama addresses them confusingly and often horrendously.
through the FL, the drama challenges the existing norms but then turns around and through the ML, tells us that the best man is one who can cook, clean, give massage, run to their wife whenever she needed help etc etc. basically the best man is one who is willing to take on the so called traditional women's responsibilities.
The worst aspect of this theme probably showing that FL best attributes are what we consider worst attributes in a man. As example, the ML in the whole was earning money, doing house chores, taking care of her, helping her career repeatedly, spending his time giving attention to the FL...While the FL contribution to the ML during the same period is almost negligible. If you flipped the roles of ML and FL in this drama, we would be calling ML undeserving the FL who was constantly helping and looking after the ML, while he cared for his career more than the FL.
I get that, but if you introduce the main protagonist of a story doing something imorall and getting no consequence,…
I see this shit in Kdramas now a days.
Romance in Kdramas used to be charming. recently, you can clearly see western money influencing the storylines.
Lol @ open and committed relationship. Just another term used to fk around and have no consequences. Giving it a name as 'open relationship' just makes it sound cool as opposed to 'trash cheating to fk around'.
The ML's in kdramas are becoming simpy and just plain ugly. You rarely see a man as ML in Kdramas that has romance as main arc. They are just pathetic wimps masquerading as men.
not going to happen.The show is targeted to viewers who want their ML to be very very pure.ML cannot even breathe…
Most of the writers of these kinds of dramas are women.
Makes you wonder if these women writers ever had any meaningful relationships with any men! If they did, they would never write such fake men in their dramas.
When ever I watch these dramas, looking at ML I keep wondering if they are men or Eunuchs.
not going to happen.The show is targeted to viewers who want their ML to be very very pure.ML cannot even breathe…
It's not just this show.
It's pretty much lot of Kdramas and every Cdrama. The ML never develops any meaningful relationships with any women in these dramas and that includes his sister.
Watch few CEO - Cinderella dramas, it gets even worse. There has never been a ML in these kinds of dramas that shows remotest of sexual attraction to opposite sex, except when he falls for the FL. That too, he falls in love and then the attraction starts.
Look at this drama as well. The ML falls in love and then the attraction happens.
the FL's are bit more realistic, they are shown to be attracted to handsome guys. If not out outright attraction, there is acceptance of a guy being hot. The ML on the other hand is never shown to think of other girls as pretty or hot.
not going to happen.The show is targeted to viewers who want their ML to be very very pure.ML cannot even breathe…
engagements does not equate to intimacy or feelings. It was pretty clear that the engagements were all for his to get his mojo back and did not have any romantic entanglements. he basically was looking for someone who can teach him stuff and the sure shot way to get that was engagements. When that did not happen, he kept breaking engagements and looked for other girls with powerful families to teach him. We never ever see the ML being intimate with any women other than the FL. In fact we get confirmation from this 2 male besties that the ML is pretty much a very pure boy in one of the episodes of season 1.
He does have women pining for him but as asian drama ML, the writers would never let him perform any CPR on them, even if the 2 women who pined for him were his friends for a long time. The hugs, rubbings and CPR are exclusive to FL and 2ML, the ML should never be soiled by such mundane human acts.
In all seriousness, I kind of hope that Lady Heo gets to have one scene with Jang Uk that finally allows her to…
not going to happen.
The show is targeted to viewers who want their ML to be very very pure. ML cannot even breathe the same air that other women breathe.
rumors have it that Asian drama ML's don't ever wank. Even thinking about other women ever in their life is an insult to their future wives and these ML know it, so, the pecker is pretty much used for pissing until they find their true love.
It was just lips touching to pass on the energy ball. Why are ppl calling that a kiss? It's not even a peck.
It was about the writers giving these kinds of CPR's, hugs, pecks and touchings only to the FL. That's some incredible coincidental writing from the writers where only the FL ends up in these kinds of interactions with other men, while the ML is seen only building rock structures.
This is one the most biased emotionally charged comment section I've ever seen. It seems people very biased towards…
The dramas put themselves down with their pretty open shitty writing.
Imagine if it were 2 men writing a drama where the ML was having fun time with multiple women while the FL was very pure and would not even look at other men.. And also imagine this happens with multiple dramas.
You would pretty much be calling out those 2 men for being toxic and misogynist.
The reverse pattern is pretty much the norm in most Cdramas and now a days in a lot of Kdramas as well. Let me know if the writers of these dramas are sexist as well.
Lastly, you are totally missing the point. What we are asking is for consistency of characters following rules set by the writers for the world. What I have is not contempt against the FL, it is actually contempt against the ML's of these kinds of dramas. They are barely men. They practically have zero sexual attraction towards women, which pretty much makes them fake. There practically is no man that exists in the world as being portrayed in these asian dramas.
The FL is not the one being targeted. It's the writers who are writing such incredibly fake and shitty writing that are being targeted.
She is married, he is her husband best friend and have romantic interest in her. Even though he is unconscious…
What are the rules of the world this drama is in as written by writers?
Looking at all 10 main characters interacting with each other, what do you think are the rules set by the writers regarding interactions between men and women?
If this drama had rules where men and women who are friends can hug and peck and kiss each other, your post is perfectly fine. but this world has men and women who are not lovers maintain a very respectful and very real distance from each other. Only exception written by the writers is the FL.
The writers need to follow the rules of the world they have built for all characters or make the casual hugging and kissing normal and have ML do the same with 2FL.
On one hand the writers won't even let ML smile at other women and then they have the FL hugging... It looks as if every one except the FL is following different rules in the drama.
Since Squid game got massive international success. Kdramas started changing. Sex scenes with nudity becoming…
it's even more ridiculous than what you posted.
In dramas where the ML has a sister, even they won't have a great bond. It's pretty much ML keeping respectful physical distance with his sister with no real brother-sister interactions. Contrast that with FL having a brother, it would be pretty realistic.
The writers won't even let the ML bond with his own sister in a meaningful way.
strange how those 35 episodes are not bothersome but only when the ML interacts with his own ex does it become bothersome.
and
that's why I find it funny when people say a particular kdrama or Cdrama is MATURE or REALISTIC..
no, they are not. Not even a single one of them is mature or realistic.
For starters the ML's in these dramas are the fakest men in existence.
These are just dramas written for consumption of particular segment who want to see men in a very specific way that suits their fantasies.
It's a bit surprising that the answer to sexism from men is sexism from women!
And it looks to be typical asian drama trope,
even violence, the sheer amount of dramas that has FL thrashing ML. Again, the answer to violence against women in these dramas seems to be violence against men.
if the solution of these social issues as shown in these dramas is to make women behave like men from middle ages, then god help society.
These dramas on one hand preach equality but in reality all they project is equity.
Utopia for targeted audience? Yes
mature and realistic? Laughably no.
but
this is basically another typical Kdrama.
it's only the FL with this maturity of talking about sex, commenting on men's anatomy and interactions with other men.
the ML, like most other Kdramas and Cdramas is straight out of a monastery, does not talk about sex, never looks at any women objectifying them like most FL's do men and will not have any interactions with other women like the FL has with other men.
Just 2 look at first 2 episodes, how many times do the FL and her bestie talk about sex & discuss men vis a vis shagging them?
And
how many times does the ML does the same?
This is not just this drama, it's pretty much most Kdramas and Cdramas. the ML will almost never have this kind of storylines written for them, only the FL does.
Some how it got boring and boring.
ML had one expression through out the drama & the FL was acting like a teenage girl.
the priest 2ML was the only interesting character.
but why do the writers have to make FL character into a whiny stupid teenager?
She gets attacked repeatedly, almost losing her life multiple times and what does the FL do.
Get drunk out of her senses and act whiny as if she just hit puberty.
And episode 1 wants us to believe that she is next in life for one of the top companies in Korea.
Even god cannot save Korean FL's from these stupid writers.
but, just want to know if we can really name a single successful woman who married a regular looking nice guy who is a stay at home husband?
Pretty sure there must be at least one case we can point to as an example amongst Chinese and Korean actresses where they married a regular Joe who just cooked, cleaned and massaged her?
coming to the drama, my point was the theme was confusing.
What the drama wanted to show was stereotypical roles for women as negative are pretty much shown as the positives when it came to ML.
The whole premise that FL fell for ML because of those reasons is wrong. She had a serious relationship with 2ML for many years whom she loved.
Her fear of commitment is a different theme altogether, again, it was confusing.
She had no right to demand someone to be around her when she would not commit. The drama does not expand on this especially considering she was ready to marry her ex.
And the last theme that was funny was how for 35 episodes she kept having her own interactions with 2ML while the ML just looked on haplessly and started wailing when ML was seen with another girl.
The challenges women face at workplace & Gender roles in modern society are absolutely nice and necessary themes to address
but the drama addresses them confusingly and often horrendously.
through the FL, the drama challenges the existing norms
but
then turns around and through the ML, tells us that the best man is one who can cook, clean, give massage, run to their wife whenever she needed help etc etc. basically the best man is one who is willing to take on the so called traditional women's responsibilities.
The worst aspect of this theme probably showing that FL best attributes are what we consider worst attributes in a man.
As example, the ML in the whole was earning money, doing house chores, taking care of her, helping her career repeatedly, spending his time giving attention to the FL...While the FL contribution to the ML during the same period is almost negligible.
If you flipped the roles of ML and FL in this drama, we would be calling ML undeserving the FL who was constantly helping and looking after the ML, while he cared for his career more than the FL.
Romance in Kdramas used to be charming.
recently, you can clearly see western money influencing the storylines.
Lol @ open and committed relationship.
Just another term used to fk around and have no consequences. Giving it a name as 'open relationship' just makes it sound cool as opposed to 'trash cheating to fk around'.
The ML's in kdramas are becoming simpy and just plain ugly.
You rarely see a man as ML in Kdramas that has romance as main arc. They are just pathetic wimps masquerading as men.
He is the guy who is in love with her all through the drama.
have no idea why what 2ML have for FL in these dramas is called as friendship..
men and women who are friends never ever have the dynamic as shown through FL and 2ML.
Makes you wonder if these women writers ever had any meaningful relationships with any men!
If they did, they would never write such fake men in their dramas.
When ever I watch these dramas, looking at ML I keep wondering if they are men or Eunuchs.
It's pretty much lot of Kdramas and every Cdrama.
The ML never develops any meaningful relationships with any women in these dramas and that includes his sister.
Watch few CEO - Cinderella dramas, it gets even worse.
There has never been a ML in these kinds of dramas that shows remotest of sexual attraction to opposite sex, except when he falls for the FL. That too, he falls in love and then the attraction starts.
Look at this drama as well. The ML falls in love and then the attraction happens.
the FL's are bit more realistic, they are shown to be attracted to handsome guys. If not out outright attraction, there is acceptance of a guy being hot.
The ML on the other hand is never shown to think of other girls as pretty or hot.
It was pretty clear that the engagements were all for his to get his mojo back and did not have any romantic entanglements.
he basically was looking for someone who can teach him stuff and the sure shot way to get that was engagements. When that did not happen, he kept breaking engagements and looked for other girls with powerful families to teach him. We never ever see the ML being intimate with any women other than the FL.
In fact we get confirmation from this 2 male besties that the ML is pretty much a very pure boy in one of the episodes of season 1.
He does have women pining for him but as asian drama ML, the writers would never let him perform any CPR on them, even if the 2 women who pined for him were his friends for a long time.
The hugs, rubbings and CPR are exclusive to FL and 2ML, the ML should never be soiled by such mundane human acts.
The show is targeted to viewers who want their ML to be very very pure.
ML cannot even breathe the same air that other women breathe.
rumors have it that Asian drama ML's don't ever wank. Even thinking about other women ever in their life is an insult to their future wives and these ML know it, so, the pecker is pretty much used for pissing until they find their true love.
That's some incredible coincidental writing from the writers where only the FL ends up in these kinds of interactions with other men, while the ML is seen only building rock structures.
Imagine if it were 2 men writing a drama where the ML was having fun time with multiple women while the FL was very pure and would not even look at other men..
And also imagine this happens with multiple dramas.
You would pretty much be calling out those 2 men for being toxic and misogynist.
The reverse pattern is pretty much the norm in most Cdramas and now a days in a lot of Kdramas as well.
Let me know if the writers of these dramas are sexist as well.
Lastly, you are totally missing the point.
What we are asking is for consistency of characters following rules set by the writers for the world.
What I have is not contempt against the FL, it is actually contempt against the ML's of these kinds of dramas. They are barely men. They practically have zero sexual attraction towards women, which pretty much makes them fake. There practically is no man that exists in the world as being portrayed in these asian dramas.
The FL is not the one being targeted.
It's the writers who are writing such incredibly fake and shitty writing that are being targeted.
Looking at all 10 main characters interacting with each other, what do you think are the rules set by the writers regarding interactions between men and women?
If this drama had rules where men and women who are friends can hug and peck and kiss each other, your post is perfectly fine.
but
this world has men and women who are not lovers maintain a very respectful and very real distance from each other.
Only exception written by the writers is the FL.
The writers need to follow the rules of the world they have built for all characters or make the casual hugging and kissing normal and have ML do the same with 2FL.
On one hand the writers won't even let ML smile at other women and then they have the FL hugging...
It looks as if every one except the FL is following different rules in the drama.
In dramas where the ML has a sister, even they won't have a great bond. It's pretty much ML keeping respectful physical distance with his sister with no real brother-sister interactions.
Contrast that with FL having a brother, it would be pretty realistic.
The writers won't even let the ML bond with his own sister in a meaningful way.