Really?? Is she like evil to the female lead or hates her,?
Between the 2 moms, I find the FL's mother to be a lot worse.
Who in their right mind would bring up an ex for comparison? FL walked away from her ex for what his mom said but her own mom was worse, not once but multiple times...
Not excusing what the ML mom did but both FL and ML do put her in place, it does happen with FL mom though. Strange that FL would be so direct with ML's mom but would be so submissive of her own mom..
And the ML, you got insulted, well, you are a wimp and took it on the chin & it is fine. but when your parents were being insulted, you just sat there! Look at the FL for example in how she put the ML's mom in place for reference.
The FL should have maintained distance from her ex.When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked…
Point being, 2ML behavior is off.
Now this is the important part so that you don't misunderstand. I am saying it's the FL fault, I am saying she is just dumb.
She is dumb because she pretends not to see that the 2ML behavior is off. What we viewers see in 2ML is not what the FL is seeing for some strange reason. Still there are very glaring and obvious red flags which would make any normal woman pause and be cautious. FL just........is dumb
I understand about meeting people outside and casually as friends etc etc
but this not the case here. the 2ML is a walking red flag. If him grabbing her and taking her to mens toilet is not a wake up call, nothing will wake up her up.
If the FL realizes the red flags, she would be cautious and her behavior would be professional i.e strictly business. No meetings outside a safe place and no wrestling even in her dreams. but since the drama makes the FL dumb and not see the obvious red flags, she just continues as if everything is peachy.
It is not victim shaming, it is simply pointing out that an intelligent woman missing obvious red flags and not being cautious does not make any sense. It's like telling a woman who gets drunk and sleeping on street that it is dangerous and she is stupid to do so. It is not saying 'it's your fault'...it is more of saying 'get your shit in order and stop being dumb'.
The FL should have maintained distance from her ex.When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked…
I sympathize with what happened to you, it should never happen to anyone. As you aptly pointed out, you were afraid of retaliation and fearful, which is the usual reaction to that extreme circumstance. And it makes sense.
The FL reaction and her subsequent interactions with 2ML does not make sense considering what happened. There is neither disgust or fear or anything of that. It is as if it never happened and she was very cool with it.
The Judo class is a big NO under any circumstance. She actively wanted to do Judo with him, I have no idea why. if anyone does, they can explain, especially since she wanted to see him for work purpose. NO, he is not like a random guy or a friend, he is her ex whom she avoided for years. Now suddenly she is all chummy and rolling on mats with him - sorry but it makes no sense in terms continuity. Should we pretend to forget what happened in mens toilet at this point?
Coming to her work.. Every interaction she had with 2ML regarding her work was unprofessional. She has an office with meeting rooms, which she uses regularly to meet clients. There are phones and even emails which is usually the norm in legal industry. But the drama shows them meeting personally on flimsiest of premises just to give them time together.
the 2ML has zero boundaries and is a dog. That a lawyer who actively advises her brother to not be a dog does not realize whats happening is beyond pale. It's like the FL suddenly became dumb when it comes to 2ML and does not understand what's happening or what she should do.
Coming to boundaries, she asked for the wrestling match, it was not 2ML who initiated it. The continuity in the story line does not need her to wrestle him. She could just talk to him as a lawyer and professional and get out from there. That she initiated the match knowing fully well how she dragged her into mens toilet is dumb, not on part of the FL but on part of writers.
There is something called commonsense when dealing with ex's, especially ones crossing the line. Why would the FL ever interact with her ex outside of a meeting room is beyond my understanding.
Would you as a victim meet your abuser at random place or have wresting matches with him? the answer is no.
Being professional is reflective of how one conducts their business. The FL dealings and interactions with 2ML are unprofessional and exaggerated.
The FL should have maintained distance from her ex.When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked…
Not random comparison but one that shows why people needs to be cautious and be prudent.
In most Cdramas the interactions between FL and 2ML feel unnatural, where their interactions feel forced just to give them moments at the expense of character inconsistency. On flip side, the ML will have unnatural interactions with other women i.e no interaction. In fact in most Cdramas, the ML would not even give a glance at other women, let alone have similar moments that FL and 2ML have.
Pick any Cdrama released this year and this would be the pattern repeated over and over.
you think a married woman (in front of the world, they are married) having these kinds of interactions with her ex is normal?
The FL should have maintained distance from her ex.When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked…
regarding the preview, it looks like the FL graduates from dumb into dumber territory.
If I am flaunting my jewelry at 2AM in Chicago only to get my throat slit and jewelry taken - I blame my stupidity for that, not the guy who slit my throat. Because I have to be dumb as a rock to flaunt my jewelry at 2AM in Chicago.
The FL should have maintained distance from her ex.When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked…
If a guy drags a random girl to mens toilet, do you he would not end up in jail regardless of his intentions? yes he would. It is at least an assault since he forced her into a mens toilet.
Even is she has a husband, she can wrestle men. except the ex.
Let me put it this way, if your husband or BF was actively seeking out his ex-gf and wrestling with them, would you still make the same comment?
Other men or women are not the same as ex's. people keep healthy distance from ex's are for good reasons. Even when you interact with ex's, there is a good amount of caution & the caution exists for a reason.
We don't need to go to far, watch Cdramas and see the how the ML's usually treat other women or their ex's. They would treat them as they don't exist.
The FL should have maintained distance from her ex.When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked…
Your post is contradictory.
1. FL can wrestle 2. You acknowledge what that FL was being attacked by an asshole but still are ok with her eventually agreeing for a talk 3. there are many things a woman do to a asshole attacking her, agreeing for a talk in mens toilet is not one of them. 4. Since she was attacked, the correct thing as a modern women with gender equality thingy going on should do is file a complaint and get him arrested. 5. If nothing else, she should have at least slapped him and insist on maintaining a healthy distance
None of these happen. Only viewers see what the 2ML did as an attack. the FL does not even consider what the 2ML did as an attack. Her reaction and subsequent actions and interactions show nothing of the sort which shows she was attacked.
That's why I am surprised. I can see it as an attack by asshole. You can see it as an attack by an asshole. Tell me why the FL did not see it as an attack by an asshole?
The FL should have maintained distance from her ex.When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked…
Well, I cleared up about how I view what the 2ML did? he should have been in jail. Are you ok with that part now?
and normally I would have expected the FL to put him behind bars as well considering she is a lawyer.
and NO, there really is no scenario where a woman would agree for a chat with a man in mens toilet after being dragged there. The only thing a woman should do in that situatio is to make sure her boot meets his nuts. There really is no other move there for a woman. Even suggesting trust and other things is basically asking the woman to agree to that humiliation by a man.
it's not about whether it's a game. She did not have to wrestle him at all. There really is no scenario where she needs to go and meet him as much as she does and even wrestle him. she can't talk on phone? or email him? Or arrange a meeting at convenient time and location and talk like professionals. Is there any need for her to be that chummy with her ex? The drama does not show her being that chummy with other men. That's why I said the FL is dumb when it comes to 2ML. they seem to forget their manners. In fact this one is worse because her ex has a gf. She being a lawyer who keeps preaching her brother about propriety should learn it herself.
if you think it is perfectly normal to interact in that way with an ex who has new partner - well, got nothing to say.
The FL should have maintained distance from her ex.When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked…
For some one who sat with multiple men and debated gender equality, she sure turned into a wuss when her ex dragged her into mens toilet.
feeling or not, that level of disrespect, the only thing that should have happened there should be her leg meeting his nuts and complaint to police.....incidentally, the only man who Cdrama FL tolerates incredible amount of disrespect if the 2ML. Even with ML's they are firm but when it comes to 2ML, they strangely turn into wusses and let them have their way.
The FL should have maintained distance from her ex.When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked…
Please show where I said what the 2ML did was ok.
Let us be clear, what he did was a crime, at least in most countries, not sure about China.
Point being, FL does not treat him like a criminal but instead agrees to engage him for a talk. That is what I am focusing on, since she is projected to be some kind of a modern woman who stands up for herself.
Go watch the wrestling scene again...please she insists for the wresting match. 2ML does not ask her at all. Why would the FL ask to wrestle her ex? What is that suppose to convey? Doesn't her brain forget to send her the signal that the dude is her ex and he has a GF?
The FL should have maintained distance from her ex.When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked…
Any women who gets dragged into mens toilet by a man would do things a lot differently than what the FL did.
A strong modern woman would not have a chat in mens toilet with a man who dragged her there, no matter the circumstance.
It's not about blaming the FL but the inconsistency in how she is being portrayed. the 2ML is doing his trashy stuff but the FL is not putting her foot down or maintaining her distance.
I still can not get over why she would ever wrestle the guy when she knows very well she has a girl and that girls works for her? Did the 2ML force her to wrestle him?
take another example of how firm she stands up to ML's mother in every interaction they have. In contrast, when her own mother was absolutely trashing ML and her parents, her tone and behavior is so meek.
The FL should have maintained distance from her ex.When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked…
That makes it ok for her to wrestle her ex who has a GF and that girl works for FL.
It is not about cheating but basic manners.
She has an office. Like every other professional in the world, she can arrange a meeting and talk to his ex in a meeting room. Or email him or call him...like every other professional. because that's what normal people do..
This is a typical Cdrama trope, the smart FL who turns dumb when it comes to 2ML.
I'm kinda sad that wu feifei is going to be an antagonist :( I really liked her in the first few episodes, and…
The FL should have maintained distance from her ex.
When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked him in the nuts and got out, instead she proceeds to have a 'talk' with him. There literally are numerous interactions which she could have avoided but for her job she engages him. Why would you even wrestle with the ex? What was she even thinking there? Did her brain go on a vacation or something? The guys is throwing bones at her and she is happily lapping them up.
Classic Cdrama FL, does not know the boundaries she should set with 2ML.
i doubt they dated for 7 years without having sex tho.
These are Cdramas. They literally make dramas where the ML is a good looking CEO/successful man who falls for a girl for the first time when he is 30 year old. Forget being virgin, these men are pretty much shown as never being attracted to any women until the FL comes along.
In fact look at the ML in this very drama. He is nearly 30..what is his deal with regards to romance and sex? Women have a monthly cycle, where as men, especially young have daily cycles, if you get the drift. These dramas want us to believe these men never even touched themselves, at least they are projected that way.
Have no idea why the ML is cast as Main Role. he is at best a supporting role in this drama.
His role primarily seems to be to make the FL better, to help her career, care for her and be the boy toy. Half way the drama, we basically know nothing about the guy except for couple of minutes of him working in some office and one liner about a girl he liked.
He definitely needed to apologize. In fact he should’ve groveled. He betrayed the only person that was ever…
FL is easily the best character in the drama. She is also one of the better FL's in Cdramas.
While ML story drives the central plot, FL is the main character and she has the best growth. ML is damaged and his growth will be limited given how he was an over-achiever at the start of the drama. FL was a girl in love, it back fired spectacularly since she behaved (as expectedly) like a girl. Now that she is a woman, in love, let us see how the drama makes her make grown-up choices and that includes how she deals with her over-bearing parents as well.
The 2 main roles are the ML and his Grand father.
Rest are all supporting cast.
Who in their right mind would bring up an ex for comparison?
FL walked away from her ex for what his mom said but her own mom was worse, not once but multiple times...
Not excusing what the ML mom did but both FL and ML do put her in place, it does happen with FL mom though.
Strange that FL would be so direct with ML's mom but would be so submissive of her own mom..
And the ML, you got insulted, well, you are a wimp and took it on the chin & it is fine.
but when your parents were being insulted, you just sat there! Look at the FL for example in how she put the ML's mom in place for reference.
Now this is the important part so that you don't misunderstand.
I am saying it's the FL fault, I am saying she is just dumb.
She is dumb because she pretends not to see that the 2ML behavior is off.
What we viewers see in 2ML is not what the FL is seeing for some strange reason.
Still there are very glaring and obvious red flags which would make any normal woman pause and be cautious. FL just........is dumb
I understand about meeting people outside and casually as friends etc etc
but this not the case here.
the 2ML is a walking red flag. If him grabbing her and taking her to mens toilet is not a wake up call, nothing will wake up her up.
If the FL realizes the red flags, she would be cautious and her behavior would be professional i.e strictly business. No meetings outside a safe place and no wrestling even in her dreams.
but since the drama makes the FL dumb and not see the obvious red flags, she just continues as if everything is peachy.
It is not victim shaming, it is simply pointing out that an intelligent woman missing obvious red flags and not being cautious does not make any sense.
It's like telling a woman who gets drunk and sleeping on street that it is dangerous and she is stupid to do so. It is not saying 'it's your fault'...it is more of saying 'get your shit in order and stop being dumb'.
As you aptly pointed out, you were afraid of retaliation and fearful, which is the usual reaction to that extreme circumstance. And it makes sense.
The FL reaction and her subsequent interactions with 2ML does not make sense considering what happened.
There is neither disgust or fear or anything of that. It is as if it never happened and she was very cool with it.
The Judo class is a big NO under any circumstance.
She actively wanted to do Judo with him, I have no idea why. if anyone does, they can explain, especially since she wanted to see him for work purpose.
NO, he is not like a random guy or a friend, he is her ex whom she avoided for years.
Now suddenly she is all chummy and rolling on mats with him - sorry but it makes no sense in terms continuity. Should we pretend to forget what happened in mens toilet at this point?
Coming to her work..
Every interaction she had with 2ML regarding her work was unprofessional.
She has an office with meeting rooms, which she uses regularly to meet clients. There are phones and even emails which is usually the norm in legal industry.
But the drama shows them meeting personally on flimsiest of premises just to give them time together.
the 2ML has zero boundaries and is a dog.
That a lawyer who actively advises her brother to not be a dog does not realize whats happening is beyond pale.
It's like the FL suddenly became dumb when it comes to 2ML and does not understand what's happening or what she should do.
Coming to boundaries, she asked for the wrestling match, it was not 2ML who initiated it.
The continuity in the story line does not need her to wrestle him. She could just talk to him as a lawyer and professional and get out from there.
That she initiated the match knowing fully well how she dragged her into mens toilet is dumb, not on part of the FL but on part of writers.
There is something called commonsense when dealing with ex's, especially ones crossing the line.
Why would the FL ever interact with her ex outside of a meeting room is beyond my understanding.
Would you as a victim meet your abuser at random place or have wresting matches with him? the answer is no.
Being professional is reflective of how one conducts their business. The FL dealings and interactions with 2ML are unprofessional and exaggerated.
In most Cdramas the interactions between FL and 2ML feel unnatural, where their interactions feel forced just to give them moments at the expense of character inconsistency.
On flip side, the ML will have unnatural interactions with other women i.e no interaction. In fact in most Cdramas, the ML would not even give a glance at other women, let alone have similar moments that FL and 2ML have.
Pick any Cdrama released this year and this would be the pattern repeated over and over.
you think a married woman (in front of the world, they are married) having these kinds of interactions with her ex is normal?
it looks like the FL graduates from dumb into dumber territory.
If I am flaunting my jewelry at 2AM in Chicago only to get my throat slit and jewelry taken - I blame my stupidity for that, not the guy who slit my throat.
Because I have to be dumb as a rock to flaunt my jewelry at 2AM in Chicago.
yes he would. It is at least an assault since he forced her into a mens toilet.
Even is she has a husband, she can wrestle men. except the ex.
Let me put it this way,
if your husband or BF was actively seeking out his ex-gf and wrestling with them, would you still make the same comment?
Other men or women are not the same as ex's.
people keep healthy distance from ex's are for good reasons. Even when you interact with ex's, there is a good amount of caution & the caution exists for a reason.
We don't need to go to far, watch Cdramas and see the how the ML's usually treat other women or their ex's.
They would treat them as they don't exist.
1. FL can wrestle
2. You acknowledge what that FL was being attacked by an asshole but still are ok with her eventually agreeing for a talk
3. there are many things a woman do to a asshole attacking her, agreeing for a talk in mens toilet is not one of them.
4. Since she was attacked, the correct thing as a modern women with gender equality thingy going on should do is file a complaint and get him arrested.
5. If nothing else, she should have at least slapped him and insist on maintaining a healthy distance
None of these happen.
Only viewers see what the 2ML did as an attack.
the FL does not even consider what the 2ML did as an attack. Her reaction and subsequent actions and interactions show nothing of the sort which shows she was attacked.
That's why I am surprised.
I can see it as an attack by asshole. You can see it as an attack by an asshole.
Tell me why the FL did not see it as an attack by an asshole?
except her ex, who has a gf.
If you think that is ok though, I got some sad news for you.
he should have been in jail. Are you ok with that part now?
and normally I would have expected the FL to put him behind bars as well considering she is a lawyer.
and NO, there really is no scenario where a woman would agree for a chat with a man in mens toilet after being dragged there.
The only thing a woman should do in that situatio is to make sure her boot meets his nuts. There really is no other move there for a woman.
Even suggesting trust and other things is basically asking the woman to agree to that humiliation by a man.
it's not about whether it's a game.
She did not have to wrestle him at all. There really is no scenario where she needs to go and meet him as much as she does and even wrestle him.
she can't talk on phone? or email him? Or arrange a meeting at convenient time and location and talk like professionals. Is there any need for her to be that chummy with her ex? The drama does not show her being that chummy with other men.
That's why I said the FL is dumb when it comes to 2ML. they seem to forget their manners. In fact this one is worse because her ex has a gf. She being a lawyer who keeps preaching her brother about propriety should learn it herself.
if you think it is perfectly normal to interact in that way with an ex who has new partner - well, got nothing to say.
she sure turned into a wuss when her ex dragged her into mens toilet.
feeling or not, that level of disrespect, the only thing that should have happened there should be her leg meeting his nuts and complaint to police.....incidentally, the only man who Cdrama FL tolerates incredible amount of disrespect if the 2ML.
Even with ML's they are firm but when it comes to 2ML, they strangely turn into wusses and let them have their way.
Let us be clear, what he did was a crime, at least in most countries, not sure about China.
Point being, FL does not treat him like a criminal but instead agrees to engage him for a talk. That is what I am focusing on, since she is projected to be some kind of a modern woman who stands up for herself.
Go watch the wrestling scene again...please
she insists for the wresting match. 2ML does not ask her at all.
Why would the FL ask to wrestle her ex?
What is that suppose to convey?
Doesn't her brain forget to send her the signal that the dude is her ex and he has a GF?
A strong modern woman would not have a chat in mens toilet with a man who dragged her there, no matter the circumstance.
It's not about blaming the FL but the inconsistency in how she is being portrayed. the 2ML is doing his trashy stuff but the FL is not putting her foot down or maintaining her distance.
I still can not get over why she would ever wrestle the guy when she knows very well she has a girl and that girls works for her?
Did the 2ML force her to wrestle him?
take another example of how firm she stands up to ML's mother in every interaction they have.
In contrast, when her own mother was absolutely trashing ML and her parents, her tone and behavior is so meek.
It is not about cheating but basic manners.
She has an office. Like every other professional in the world, she can arrange a meeting and talk to his ex in a meeting room.
Or email him or call him...like every other professional.
because that's what normal people do..
This is a typical Cdrama trope, the smart FL who turns dumb when it comes to 2ML.
He is an ex.
he has a gf
and she wrestles him.
really...why would she wrestle him?
We can make all excuses for the FL but she needs to learn to maintain a distance and a lot of manners.
Even in the toilet, she was supposed to be at a party with her husband she decides to engage her ex in a nice chat in mens toilet.
At this point, I am surprised why the ML fell in love with a self-centered woman who clearly don't deserve him.
When her ex pulled her into a bathroom, she should have kicked him in the nuts and got out, instead she proceeds to have a 'talk' with him.
There literally are numerous interactions which she could have avoided but for her job she engages him. Why would you even wrestle with the ex? What was she even thinking there? Did her brain go on a vacation or something? The guys is throwing bones at her and she is happily lapping them up.
Classic Cdrama FL, does not know the boundaries she should set with 2ML.
They literally make dramas where the ML is a good looking CEO/successful man who falls for a girl for the first time when he is 30 year old.
Forget being virgin, these men are pretty much shown as never being attracted to any women until the FL comes along.
In fact look at the ML in this very drama. He is nearly 30..what is his deal with regards to romance and sex?
Women have a monthly cycle, where as men, especially young have daily cycles, if you get the drift.
These dramas want us to believe these men never even touched themselves, at least they are projected that way.
he is at best a supporting role in this drama.
His role primarily seems to be to make the FL better, to help her career, care for her and be the boy toy.
Half way the drama, we basically know nothing about the guy except for couple of minutes of him working in some office and one liner about a girl he liked.
She is also one of the better FL's in Cdramas.
While ML story drives the central plot, FL is the main character and she has the best growth.
ML is damaged and his growth will be limited given how he was an over-achiever at the start of the drama.
FL was a girl in love, it back fired spectacularly since she behaved (as expectedly) like a girl. Now that she is a woman, in love, let us see how the drama makes her make grown-up choices and that includes how she deals with her over-bearing parents as well.