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Cheating?

The writer in later episodes shows FL as never being truly in love with her boyfriends.
In fact, the writer explicitly makes the FL say she always remembered ML when she was with her boyfriends.

So, they were truly never her boyfriends. Fl always had another man in her heart. Only her body with these men.

Can't really call what her boyfriends did as cheating when she was the one who was always cheating in the first place.

Anyhow, the whole drama is a shitfest of poor writing and even poor characterization.
The writer was only interested in throwing as many men at the FL as possible to fill her harem.

Another Dejavu Kdrama romcom.
Same ML, FL, 2ML, 2FL that we have in hundreds of dramas.
Same characters, same love triangles, same tropes.

The execution was nice, actors played their parts well and it was an enjoyable drama for the most part.

Way better.

yes, she is your typical person with modern liberal western values and probably a feminist.
A lot of Kdrama FL's physically assault ML's. It's pretty much a norm in Kdramas now a days. Kdramas make no bones about normalizing woman, especially FL's thrashing men. Many times, it's shown as funny or the man deserved it.

The FL in this one is a feminists wet dream.
She is free willed, strong, independent and has no issues having sexual relations with multiple men & she is ending up with a traditional prince charming.

The message seems to be, even woman with this value system will end up with traditional prince charming.
You know, having cake and eat it too kind of scenario.

I don't really hate her.
She pretty much represents a significant portion of women who have modern liberal western values & STD's.

The disappointment is at the ML, who is a famous actor, with great looks, intelligence, money, kind & who is old fashioned in his approach to life & women, being paired with the FL.

They are very incompatible. In this ML was real, he would not even be giving this kind of a FL, even a glance. She would never exist in his universe.
Just to make the point, I will flip this. Imagine a highly successful, extremely beautiful, intelligent, lot of money, kind woman, who valued herself, falling in love with an average looking, middle income, violent, foul mouthed man who treats women like sex toys. No woman of that class would ever settle for a guy like that.

She deserves someone like her. A man with modern western values who shagged hundreds of women & have dozens of STD's to share with the FL.

You can be together even if the cultures and religions are different
but, if the core value system is different, the relationship will always fail.
As example, if they have a daughter, the father would want to raise her with his value system, while the mother couldn't care if the daughter lived like her...Not that it's wrong but the value system is completely different and incompatible.

FL hates men - she fks dozens of them to teach them a lesson. History is proof that men hate being used by women for sex.

On contrary, ML hates women - so, he completely avoids them for some reason. Also, history is proof that men who hate women never have sex with women.

The way FL is written here, even public toilets that have not been cleaned for a year would have less STD's

run of the mill romcom disguised with fantasy elements.
offers nothing new both in terms of story or characterization.

but the drama delivers on what it promises. 6/10
If you like these kind of romcoms, for you it should be 9/10

imagine being asked why he has a beard....
it should be the other way around, if the ML has less facial hair than FL, which is usually the case in Kdramas, we should be asking what happened to his facial hair..

point is not the break up, it's fine. it sets up the conflict of this drama.

It's how it's resolved.

All dramas where the ML breaks up, it's the ML crawling back for another chance & it makes sense since he is the one who broke up.

In this one, the FL breaks up and it's the ML doing the crawling back with FL barely acknowledging him. Why is the ML crawling back after being dumped by the FL? Did he wrong her in anyway? It's her that's wronged him and she is making a move to make up for it.
The story and characters don't make sense.

From a story POV, there is nothing in her breaking up.
After all conflict needs to be established to create an interesting story.

How the conflict is resolved determines whether the story is good or bad.

This is one just stupid.

The root cause of the conflict is the FL.
So, the resolution of the conflict should also come from her. Meaning, it should be her standing up to her family and deciding ML is way more important to us and chase him.

This one does not make any sense.
ML gets dumped and again chases her and again faces the prospect of getting dumped.
That makes the ML one extremely stupid moron.

Loved that drama as well.

The whole damaged ML was a refreshing take from the usual 'princes ML's' in cdramas.

the FL was one of the strongest, independent women in recent cdramas. She simply breaks down the ML without pursuing him.

This is an example of good story telling.

a hot headed ML with lot of issues
an innocent straight as arrow FL from stable family
Once the break up happens, FL does not grovel or simp the ML. She is never shown compromising on her dignity. Eventually it's the ML that breaks down. That's a good story telling. Character growth for the ML who gets redeemed by the woman who loves him.

It's a circle that made sense.
Conflict was set up, Conflict addressed, character growth and happy ending.

Agreed.
Period Cdramas are 100 times better than their modern ones.

The whole tone of modern Cdramas comes across as fake for some reason, exceptions are there but they are rare.

Yup, that one was very very good.
but like you said, the ML does not dump her and she does not chase him.

He was basically damaged goods & his only salvation through out the drama was the FL.
The power equation in that drama was always with the FL.

incidentally, even that drama, it was the FL who had another man close to her. Not going to nitpick on that one because it was very well done with a different ML & FL than the usual trope filled cdrama leads.

being in love means submission.
That basically is the essence of being in love, it's unconditional.
The ML is in love, it's unconditional, it's submissive, it's no matter what.

this whole 'why should she be submissive, don;t chase men, your own career is important', shit works well,'when the drama allows the ML to have similar ideas - you see zero sexual discrimination.
meaning, the ML also should not be submissive to FL, he should not be her shadow chasing her, helping her, looking after her etc etc. he should also prioritize his own life and career over the FL...After all, why do strong independent woman need these needy men anyway? it's not like they add any value to the life of a strong, independent career women, except being clingy with shitty, old concept like love.

Do you agree with that?

In real world that ML would be shagging other women while chasing the FL.
That's how men are in real life, especially men who are extremely good looking, rich and successful.
In fact a man like ML would not even need to try. Like i said, unlike most men, this guy would not even need to lift a finger to get women.
You need to leave drama world and go out to figure out how things work in real life.

My central point was about the story-line.
This drama fails both as a drama as well as depiction of real life.

as drama, at some point the FL needs to start showing she is as invested, especially in a man who is frankly way better than her in every sense.
The drama shows her dumping him, the drama at some point should show her making some efforts to win him back - not just the guy who is way too good for her, always chasing for reasons we can't seem to comprehend.

Here is the million dollar question.

name a single Kdrama or Cdrama in last 2 years where the ML dumps the FL and she waits for him for years and keeps chasing for most of the drama?

I can name 10 dramas released in last 6 months where the FL dumps ML and still the ML keeps chasing the FL.

lol..now i know why these stupid cdramas have these kind of used toilet paper ML's.

take a breath and remember that these are characters in a drama written by a 17 year old with power fantasies.

no need to abuse real people for fictitious characters.

The 3rd person in the triangle could have been a woman instead of a man.

Imagine if it was a woman who was friends with ML all his life and loved him, just like how the 2ML is shown in this one.
The love triangle instead plays out with that 2FL in the love triangle.

But, All the meaningful love triangles in Kdramas always involves ML, FL and 2ML.

The writer could have gone with a woman instead of a man & then your logic of her personal journey could be applied to that character.

But, we all know in Kdramas it is always the ML, FL and 2ML.
And it's time we all stop pretending not knowing why the writers of these dramas only have ML, FL and 2ML in their love triangles.

Is that what you understood from my post?
No one is asking FL to be a follower of ML.
regarding challenging, why is it that the ML needs to find FL challenging? Is this some sort of competition? And exactly what is the FL doing to face the challenges to make herself appealing to ML?

LOL, if this were real life, someone that good looking and successful, would be drowning in good looking women.

Most men in real life would have to work very very hard to get a woman.
but the top tier guys who are good looking and are rich...I don't need to complete the sentence, you know the reality. This ML in real life would be swimming in women.

And this is a drama, not real life.
As such a drama needs to have a logical progression which makes for compelling story telling. Meaning, everything that happens in the drama is for a reason and there is payback or payoff at the end.

For example, it's like in the final episode of a rom-com, both ML and FL are killed off in a car accident as ending. Why? because shit like that happens in real life....While that would be something that happens in real life, it's not the payoff you are looking for when watching a rom-com.