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What Chinese culture?

Go watch their modern dramas, everything from their clothing to culture is all western.
There is not a single thing in their dramas that exists before the commies took over,

Same with Korean dramas.
It's all pretty much Christian and westernized. Korean culture has long vanished from Korean dramas as well.

YP and Sangdo are the wimpiest, cuckiest unspecified gender persons in Kdramas.
No men like that ever existed on this earth and never will.

Again, you need to read my post.

her trauma is NOW. As in this instant. prior to that the drama shows her having fantastic career growth and good amount of relationships. If she would have not have lost her job, she would have gotten a new boyfriend and not even think about the ML.

On other hand, people she left behind suffered and are shown to be continually suffering trauma.

her trauma is nothing compared to the trauma of ML who lost his mother and then the woman he loved & kept waiting for some strange reason for a woman who was never coming back. now, thats trauma.

The very points you made about ML's dad is what's with this drama. he is a pitiful character first and everything else next.
If you think as him as the cause of Ml and FL braking up,
then the drama must blame FL's mom for causing death of ML's mom.
Or, we acknowledge that both FL and Ml's mom took their own decisions after being nudged by other people.
Can't have it both ways.

Anyway, should not digress, my central point was always this.
The drama puts the FL's suffering at the center, which makes no sense to me. She is not the one with most trauma or one who suffered most. Everyone catering to her even when their own trauma is much more than her's makes the drama as poorly written by the writers.

You don't need revolve the story around the character who suffers the most but the drama needs to acknowledge it.

the writers makes ML's dad suffering as a punch line as if it was him who caused FL to break up.
If that was the case, then the death of ML's mom can be placed at FL's mom as well. After all, if she was not insistent on doing the dangerous act, ML would still have a mom.
ML's mom could have said no but she did not, it was her choice which was aided by decision of her friend. Similarly FL could have said no to the dad, though the dad said what he did, it boiled down to FL's choice. Both women, FL and Ml's mom made their choice...

I am not railing against the characters.
You need to re-read my post again. I am railing against the writers. The characters are inconsistent, their experiences and current behavior does not make an iota of sense.

Fl dumped ML, so, why is the ML again the person running after her? Shouldn't it be the other way around from a story point of view? as viewers and even the story-line confirms how deep ML's love for FL is.
On contrary FL's experiences and the current story flow makes it very clear that ML was a good friend and just another of her 5 boyfriends. He is a special friend to her but as for as love is concerned, he is just one of the many guys in her life and nothing more.

If the writers even showed her thinking about ML and a strong desire to go back and be with him, while she was growing in her career, we can at least think, yeah, she is having a conflict.
There is zero conflict there. She was perfectly happy with her fantastic career and had a stream of men to keep her physical and emotional needs fulfilled.

Let's remember, she only came back when she lost everything. It does not scream love, it only screams opportunity.

SHE, the FL should be the person building back her relationships, because it was her who threw them and had fantastic time somewhere else. instead we get something that makes no sense in the drama.

Where did i ever say FL was cheating or anything remotely like that?
Please re-read my post.

Agree with dad needing to move on but that was not the main point I made.

My main point was the story not making any sense. The characters, their experiences and their responses are not making sense. The tone of the drama where the FL suffering is shown as central does not make sense. I would rather the central point of show be the FL's mom or ML's dad...because one lost a dear friend and other dear wife.
Compared to their trauma, the FL crying every minute and drinking makes absolutely zero sense.
If she had suffered for 8 years, waiting on ML, who in turn had dated multiple women, then probably we can say FL suffered. Point was, she did not suffer for 8 years. It is only NOW she is suffering.
the ones who suffered continuously were ML, his dad and the Fl's mom.

And agree on writers making the ML as unrealistic wimpy simp and a used tissue paper. Imagine being nearly 40 and still waiting on some one who dumped him!

I don't understand the FL's suffering. With all her crying and drinking, the drama makes it look as if she lost her mom or someone very dear or something...oops, that's actually the ML and his dad.

Anyway, people lose their jobs. People also get cheated on by their loved ones. Fl lost her job and the 5th guy she loved cheated on her. She also got shafted at her office underhandedly.
They are bad but not as bad as her 'look at me, I am victim' mentality, especially around people who actually lost their dear ones.

If FL needs to drink for what happened to her, ML should just buy barrels of liquor and sit in them to cry and wallow about what happened to him.

ML waiting like a simp and wimp for a woman who did not give a shit about him and dated other guys - the ML is greenest of flags.

the grieving dad who tragically lost his dearest wife does not want anything to do with the other family - How dare he love his dead wife so much, he needs smacking.

Some how a man's wife has less worth than the girl who did not give a flyingF about the ML and dated other guys...
At least that's how the tone of the drama is coming across.

That's not to say ML's dad needs to let go and get some help. It's how the writers make what the dad went through very shallow to prop up FL suffering.

Let's be honest. FL is only suffering NOW.
for past 8+ years, she has had a blast with a great career and a team of boyfriends. She was having fun at her job and fun with lot of men.
The ones who were suffering were ML, his dad and FL's mom. ML and his dad just got frozen in time for those 8 years, wallowing in lost love, unable to move on. Just imagine the trauma these 2 men have had to stay put, unable to move an inch.

The reason the writing of this drama is garbage, because it want's to make the suffering of FL as central of the plot, especially when the story the writer wrote basically shows the other characters having undergone much greater suffering than her.

Even used toilet paper has more purpose and dignity than the ML.

It's the typical kdrama trope where the wimpy simpy virgin Ml who only ever loved the FL is crawling on his bum begging for a chance and the cool modern FL, who dated lot of guys and have multiple options of choosing from a team of hot virgin men...

The more pathetic and simpy wimp the ML is, the more the juices of viewers flow.. It's like 'look at that green flag ML, a virgin who liked only the FL since he was a sperm in his dads nethers'...

Kdramas are starting to resemble the movie 'there's something about mary', where every man in the drama is deeply and desperately in love with FL.

Every Romcom and most romance dramas have this ML as prototype.

That's the worst part of it.
The drama would have been fine had the writers made the men a lot less pathetic and copy cat of every other romcom/romance drama currently on air.

I was responding to the hypothesis that FL was always in love ML - as suggested by a lot of people and even implied in the drama.

If she was indeed in love with ML and dated all these guys to move on but still loved the ML, it pretty much means the men were always at a disadvantage and shafted by her.
This is basically what we call a massive red flag in a relationship.

As an example, if it was a man who was dating FL and was in love with his ex, we would be calling the man a red flag.

the massive red flag in all the relationships FL had with other men was always her.

Loyalty is not always physical. The worst cheating always is the mental one. The ex never had a chance with her. His cheating was not the first act, it was the final act. The first act was always the FL never loving the ex or any other men she dated.

Of course, it is hypothetical and under the assumption that FL never stopped loving the ML.

If she stopped loving the ML long back and genuinely loved the men she dated, then the discussion would be different.

the ML is a poorly written one diemsional pathetic wimp.

Delivers on thrills, gore and horror.

There is so much material and potential for season 2.

Thank for your suggestion

but the only discussion I want to have regarding this drama is to understand why Kdrama writers are obsessed with their ML being virgin and pure and only for FL?
Are the writers suffering some serious mental health issues for writing such pure and virgin men for the FL?

May be they think they are the FL and want the man they end up with as one who only ever looked and liked the FL...Just imagine, the cool FL who had multiple boyfriends and failed relationships, ends up with a virgin prince.

**now imagine a 10 year old squealing in ecstasy**

The whole naive and a little stupid ML is done well here.
the actor plying the role is pulling it off and it's kind of adorable.

'look into my eyes'...damn, the stupid ML does not even realize what he is doing.

Decent first episode.

marrying cousins is a cultural thing in Utah,
in some cultures they can have multiple wives.

I can go on.

Drinking is dangerous, even in limited amounts.
Kdramas basically glorify female drinking. Problem is not them drinking, it;s showing it as fun, nice, something cool kids do.

It definitely is.

And her cheating ex has a genuine reason to cheat on her. She was into another man when they were together. She was never genuine with all the men she was with, if the theory that she always loved ML is true...

I am surprised more people are not speaking out on this horse shit.

If a drama is deserving, praised it will.
Don't demand people like horse shit, instead comment on writers who keep writing the same horse shit 100 times each year.

ML liking other woman is unthinkable in cdramas.

Which part of it was rude? or untrue?
is the FL's default setting in the drama getting piss drunk? True
is the ML's default setting in the drama is being a extreme Virgin? True. That man never even ate a female fish ever. No female of any species will ever be touched by our kdrama ML-except FL. Maintaining purity is all that matters.

And the rude ones are those who give unwanted and unwarranted suggestions to others.
please refrain and stick to discussing the drama.

Please don't be rude to people online. It's not nice.