Why the Parallel Doesn’t Work1. Different Backgrounds and Motivations: - Penelope in "The Odyssey": She’s…
You’ve provided a compelling argument for the parallels between “We Are” and “The Odyssey,” particularly focusing on the theme of “waiting.” However, I still think there are significant differences that make the comparison less straightforward:
1. Nature of the Strategy:
-Penelope’s Strategy: Her nightly unraveling of the tapestry is a cunning, outward act to deceive her suitors. It’s a visible, deliberate ploy to buy time until Ulysses returns.
-Peem’s Strategy: Peem’s denial of having finished the painting is more about his internal struggle and uncertainty. While it may seem strategic, it’s less about deception and more about his fear and confusion about his feelings for Phum. It’s a passive form of waiting, driven by his personal turmoil rather than an external necessity.
2. Discovery and Consequences:
-Penelope: When her deception is discovered, it heightens the drama and the stakes of her situation. Her suitors’ discovery of her tactic adds tension and urgency to her plight.
-Peem: When Phum discovers Peem’s denial, it’s more of an emotional revelation than a dramatic turning point. It’s a moment of vulnerability and honesty rather than a strategic defeat.
3. Thematic Core:
-Penelope’s Waiting: Her waiting is intertwined with themes of loyalty, faithfulness, and cunning within a grand epic narrative.
-Peem’s Waiting: Peem’s waiting is more introspective, dealing with self-discovery, acceptance, and emotional growth. It’s less about loyalty to another and more about understanding himself.
While both “We Are” and “Portrait of a Lady on Fire” draw parallels to classical myths, the way these parallels manifest are shaped by their respective contexts. The French film uses the myth of Orpheus and Eurydice to explore themes of forbidden love and artistic creation within a specific historical and social framework. In contrast, “We Are” uses the idea of waiting in a modern, emotional context that resonates differently with today’s audience.
The Bottom Line:
The parallels you draw are valid and enrich the discussion, but I believe Peem’s journey is distinct due to its modern psychological depth and personal introspection. His “waiting” is not just a strategy but a profound personal journey of self-discovery and emotional growth. This makes his story uniquely relatable and compelling in its own right.
Why the Parallel Doesn’t Work1. Different Backgrounds and Motivations: - Penelope in "The Odyssey": She’s…
I appreciate your detailed analysis and the parallels you've drawn with "Portrait of a Lady on Fire." However, I still believe the comparison between Peem and Penelope doesn't hold for several reasons:
1. Different Contexts and Characters:
- Orpheus and Eurydice in "Portrait of a Lady on Fire": The myth is used to explore themes of memory, loss, and artistic creation. Marianne and Héloïse's story aligns with the myth through the lens of forbidden love and the power dynamics of their time. - Penelope in "The Odyssey": Penelope's actions are rooted in ancient Greek cultural norms and her role as a faithful wife. Her weaving is a public act of defiance against her suitors. - Peem in "We Are": Peem's confusion and denial are more personal and introspective, driven by modern emotional conflicts rather than external pressures or grand gestures.
2. Motivations and Actions:
- Penelope: Her nightly unraveling of the tapestry is a strategic and deliberate act to keep her suitors at bay while awaiting Ulysses. It's a calculated move with clear intentions. - Peem: His denial of love is born from uncertainty and fear, not a deliberate strategy to achieve a specific end. It's a reflection of his internal struggle rather than a premeditated plan.
3. Emotional Expression:
- Penelope: Her actions are dramatic and visible to all, serving as a constant reminder of her faithfulness and cunning. - Peem: His emotions are more subdued and less overt, characterized by subtle actions and internal conflict rather than dramatic public gestures.
4. Temporal and Social Differences:
- Penelope: Her story spans two decades, a testament to endurance and long-term commitment. - Peem and Phum: Their story unfolds over a few months, highlighting the intensity and rapid development typical of modern relationships.
5. Modern vs. Mythical:
- Penelope: Her story is deeply rooted in the cultural and mythological context of ancient Greece. - Peem: His experiences are shaped by contemporary societal norms and personal growth, making him more relatable to a modern audience.
While the mythological parallels offer an interesting lens, they don't fully capture the essence of Peem's character or his modern struggles. Peem's journey is unique to his context and emotions, making it distinct from the grand narratives of ancient myths. Emphasizing his personal growth and contemporary challenges provides a more nuanced and accurate portrayal of his character.
Why, if Peem is in love, does he deny it to Q and tell him that he doesn't know if he is in love with Phum, that…
Why the Parallel Doesn’t Work
1. Different Backgrounds and Motivations:
- Penelope in "The Odyssey": She’s weaving and unweaving a tapestry to fend off suitors while waiting for her husband Ulysses. It’s like an ancient Greek DIY project to show faith and loyalty.
- Peem: He’s denying his feelings because he's confused and maybe a bit scared, not because of some grand romantic gesture. It’s more like "I don’t know what’s going on!" (or maybe it's his first love and he needs a pep talk).
2. How They Show Emotions:
- Penelope: She’s got this big, dramatic gesture—everyone sees her tapestry antics. She’s the original drama queen.
- Peem: Peem's more low-key. He’s like a stealth lover. He denies his love but is super attentive to Phum, especially when Phum’s being all jealous and pouty. His emotional style is more “ninja” than “broadway show.”
3. Time and Context Differences:
- Penelope: She waits for Ulysses for twenty years. That’s a looong time. Talk about a slow burn!
- Peem and Phum: Their story is much shorter, just a few months or even weeks—Phum's roses haven’t even wilted yet! Their timeline is more like a whirlwind romance compared to Penelope’s marathon wait.
4. Character and Social Background:
- Penelope: She’s an ancient Greek myth character, living by the norms and roles of her time. She’s got that classic myth vibe.
- Peem: Peem’s a modern guy in a Thai BL series. His struggles and feelings are shaped by today’s world. He’s way more relatable to us than an ancient queen—he’s dealing with texts and Instagram likes, not suitors and tapestries!
The Bottom Line
Comparing Peem to Penelope is like comparing apples to oranges. They have different reasons for their actions, show their feelings in totally different ways, and are in completely different time frames and social settings. Focusing on Peem’s personal and modern struggles makes more sense and gives a clearer picture of his character. Plus, who doesn't love a good modern love story with a bit of confusion and ninja-level subtlety?
i desperately need someone to make a compilation video and post it so I can easily rewatch it all the time
Right? I’ve been trying to train my cat to do the same, but she just gives me the ‘you’re ridiculous’ stare. Guess I’ll have to stick with replaying Matt’s scenes on loop!🤣
I just want to jump into the TV, pull Phum aside, and give him a good talking-to!
I love Phum’s mature friend! He can calmly and rationally talk sense into him, while we’re all just ready to give Phum a good spanking for his nonsense! 🤣
When Toey heard Q say he liked him, his face froze like he'd just taken a trip to la-la land!
Okay, this might sound a bit embarrassing, but his face reminded me of my friend at a high school party, totally zoned out and speechless after smoking weed!🤣
Toey with his yellow duck float heading toward the tour bus looks like a comical duck captain, ready to take us on a whimsical adventure! (Seriously, what a sight!)
Kluen probably has a sixth sense about Peem's heart being taken. A true gentleman knows when to make a classy exit, giving others a chance at love.
Oh boy, Phum’s first love is like watching a romance disaster unfold in slow motion. He keeps unintentionally hurting his crush with his awkwardness. Come on, Phum, it’s time to grow up and treasure Peem already! (Sometimes I just want to shake some sense into him!)
Peem's character is really growing on me. His gentle and patient way of handling all of Phum's clumsy moves is heart-melting.
Is the next episode finally about Chain and Pun? I've been waiting so long my anticipation has turned to ice. They better bring some serious excitement, or I might just turn into a jaded viewer!
After a few weeks of observation, I've managed to highlight Ming's traits in a more balanced way, so I can keep watching the next episode without feeling too annoyed by him.
Ming is like a dark chocolate truffle with a surprise center—smooth on the outside but filled with unexpected bitterness. His mind is a haunted house, each room hiding a different specter of his psyche. Torn between his old flame and new facsimiles, Ming’s actions are dictated by a cocktail of confusion, fascination, and a touch of madness.
Traits:
Obsessively Compulsive: Ming’s obsession with his sister’s boyfriend’s doppelgänger is like a moth to a flame, except the flame is a dumpster fire of unresolved feelings.
Emotionally Confused: If emotions were a playlist, Ming’s would be on shuffle during a thunderstorm. He’s enamored by Joe but doesn’t understand why, leading him to make choices that teeter on the edge of reason.
Morally Ambiguous: Ming’s moral compass is like a broken GPS—constantly recalculating and leading him into ethically questionable terrain.
Charismatically Menacing: With the charm of a gentleman and the unpredictability of a wild card, Ming’s presence is as alluring as it is dangerous.
Manipulative: Ming’s persuasive skills are so sharp that he convinces the new Joe, out of sheer desperation to repay his debts, to use his body as currency and become a stand-in for the old Joe.
In summary, Ming is a character whose allure lies in his ability to navigate the gray areas of morality with a charm that’s as captivating as it is concerning.
I always think the key to liking a show is becoming invested in what happens to one or more of the characters.…
Totally agree! Joe's happiness is a must, and despite Ming's flaws, a redemption arc for him would be epic. Sweet Sol deserves joy too, though pairing with Joe seems a stretch. And Tong definitely needs to face the music for his actions.
Love this comment🤣Dee suggests a simple yet stylish look for Yoryak to help him pursue Taem. Yoryak wears a…
Hun, Dee originally suggested an outfit based on the look on his tablet. I remember the model was wearing white pants. The tablet shows a stylish outfit with a light brown shirt, white pants, and a black backpack. It’s a cool, casual look that’s both laid-back and put-together.
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1. Nature of the Strategy:
-Penelope’s Strategy: Her nightly unraveling of the tapestry is a cunning, outward act to deceive her suitors. It’s a visible, deliberate ploy to buy time until Ulysses returns.
-Peem’s Strategy: Peem’s denial of having finished the painting is more about his internal struggle and uncertainty. While it may seem strategic, it’s less about deception and more about his fear and confusion about his feelings for Phum. It’s a passive form of waiting, driven by his personal turmoil rather than an external necessity.
2. Discovery and Consequences:
-Penelope: When her deception is discovered, it heightens the drama and the stakes of her situation. Her suitors’ discovery of her tactic adds tension and urgency to her plight.
-Peem: When Phum discovers Peem’s denial, it’s more of an emotional revelation than a dramatic turning point. It’s a moment of vulnerability and honesty rather than a strategic defeat.
3. Thematic Core:
-Penelope’s Waiting: Her waiting is intertwined with themes of loyalty, faithfulness, and cunning within a grand epic narrative.
-Peem’s Waiting: Peem’s waiting is more introspective, dealing with self-discovery, acceptance, and emotional growth. It’s less about loyalty to another and more about understanding himself.
While both “We Are” and “Portrait of a Lady on Fire” draw parallels to classical myths, the way these parallels manifest are shaped by their respective contexts. The French film uses the myth of Orpheus and Eurydice to explore themes of forbidden love and artistic creation within a specific historical and social framework. In contrast, “We Are” uses the idea of waiting in a modern, emotional context that resonates differently with today’s audience.
The Bottom Line:
The parallels you draw are valid and enrich the discussion, but I believe Peem’s journey is distinct due to its modern psychological depth and personal introspection. His “waiting” is not just a strategy but a profound personal journey of self-discovery and emotional growth. This makes his story uniquely relatable and compelling in its own right.
1. Different Contexts and Characters:
- Orpheus and Eurydice in "Portrait of a Lady on Fire": The myth is used to explore themes of memory, loss, and artistic creation. Marianne and Héloïse's story aligns with the myth through the lens of forbidden love and the power dynamics of their time.
- Penelope in "The Odyssey": Penelope's actions are rooted in ancient Greek cultural norms and her role as a faithful wife. Her weaving is a public act of defiance against her suitors.
- Peem in "We Are": Peem's confusion and denial are more personal and introspective, driven by modern emotional conflicts rather than external pressures or grand gestures.
2. Motivations and Actions:
- Penelope: Her nightly unraveling of the tapestry is a strategic and deliberate act to keep her suitors at bay while awaiting Ulysses. It's a calculated move with clear intentions.
- Peem: His denial of love is born from uncertainty and fear, not a deliberate strategy to achieve a specific end. It's a reflection of his internal struggle rather than a premeditated plan.
3. Emotional Expression:
- Penelope: Her actions are dramatic and visible to all, serving as a constant reminder of her faithfulness and cunning.
- Peem: His emotions are more subdued and less overt, characterized by subtle actions and internal conflict rather than dramatic public gestures.
4. Temporal and Social Differences:
- Penelope: Her story spans two decades, a testament to endurance and long-term commitment.
- Peem and Phum: Their story unfolds over a few months, highlighting the intensity and rapid development typical of modern relationships.
5. Modern vs. Mythical:
- Penelope: Her story is deeply rooted in the cultural and mythological context of ancient Greece.
- Peem: His experiences are shaped by contemporary societal norms and personal growth, making him more relatable to a modern audience.
While the mythological parallels offer an interesting lens, they don't fully capture the essence of Peem's character or his modern struggles. Peem's journey is unique to his context and emotions, making it distinct from the grand narratives of ancient myths. Emphasizing his personal growth and contemporary challenges provides a more nuanced and accurate portrayal of his character.
1. Different Backgrounds and Motivations:
- Penelope in "The Odyssey": She’s weaving and unweaving a tapestry to fend off suitors while waiting for her husband Ulysses. It’s like an ancient Greek DIY project to show faith and loyalty.
- Peem: He’s denying his feelings because he's confused and maybe a bit scared, not because of some grand romantic gesture. It’s more like "I don’t know what’s going on!" (or maybe it's his first love and he needs a pep talk).
2. How They Show Emotions:
- Penelope: She’s got this big, dramatic gesture—everyone sees her tapestry antics. She’s the original drama queen.
- Peem: Peem's more low-key. He’s like a stealth lover. He denies his love but is super attentive to Phum, especially when Phum’s being all jealous and pouty. His emotional style is more “ninja” than “broadway show.”
3. Time and Context Differences:
- Penelope: She waits for Ulysses for twenty years. That’s a looong time. Talk about a slow burn!
- Peem and Phum: Their story is much shorter, just a few months or even weeks—Phum's roses haven’t even wilted yet! Their timeline is more like a whirlwind romance compared to Penelope’s marathon wait.
4. Character and Social Background:
- Penelope: She’s an ancient Greek myth character, living by the norms and roles of her time. She’s got that classic myth vibe.
- Peem: Peem’s a modern guy in a Thai BL series. His struggles and feelings are shaped by today’s world. He’s way more relatable to us than an ancient queen—he’s dealing with texts and Instagram likes, not suitors and tapestries!
The Bottom Line
Comparing Peem to Penelope is like comparing apples to oranges. They have different reasons for their actions, show their feelings in totally different ways, and are in completely different time frames and social settings. Focusing on Peem’s personal and modern struggles makes more sense and gives a clearer picture of his character. Plus, who doesn't love a good modern love story with a bit of confusion and ninja-level subtlety?
🍷 Ἐν οἴνῳ ἀλήθεια (In wine, there is truth)!
Kluen probably has a sixth sense about Peem's heart being taken. A true gentleman knows when to make a classy exit, giving others a chance at love.
Oh boy, Phum’s first love is like watching a romance disaster unfold in slow motion. He keeps unintentionally hurting his crush with his awkwardness. Come on, Phum, it’s time to grow up and treasure Peem already! (Sometimes I just want to shake some sense into him!)
Peem's character is really growing on me. His gentle and patient way of handling all of Phum's clumsy moves is heart-melting.
Is the next episode finally about Chain and Pun? I've been waiting so long my anticipation has turned to ice. They better bring some serious excitement, or I might just turn into a jaded viewer!
Ming is like a dark chocolate truffle with a surprise center—smooth on the outside but filled with unexpected bitterness. His mind is a haunted house, each room hiding a different specter of his psyche. Torn between his old flame and new facsimiles, Ming’s actions are dictated by a cocktail of confusion, fascination, and a touch of madness.
Traits:
Obsessively Compulsive: Ming’s obsession with his sister’s boyfriend’s doppelgänger is like a moth to a flame, except the flame is a dumpster fire of unresolved feelings.
Emotionally Confused: If emotions were a playlist, Ming’s would be on shuffle during a thunderstorm. He’s enamored by Joe but doesn’t understand why, leading him to make choices that teeter on the edge of reason.
Morally Ambiguous: Ming’s moral compass is like a broken GPS—constantly recalculating and leading him into ethically questionable terrain.
Charismatically Menacing: With the charm of a gentleman and the unpredictability of a wild card, Ming’s presence is as alluring as it is dangerous.
Manipulative: Ming’s persuasive skills are so sharp that he convinces the new Joe, out of sheer desperation to repay his debts, to use his body as currency and become a stand-in for the old Joe.
In summary, Ming is a character whose allure lies in his ability to navigate the gray areas of morality with a charm that’s as captivating as it is concerning.
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