if i remember i think the legal age for consent is 16 in korea... infact 16 yr olds can get married with the permission of their parents... there is even a movie called 'my little bride' where the FL is 16 and gets married... DY and DJ got married when they were in highschool... during 2002 world cup DJ and DH were 20 (19 internationally) and the kids were already at least 6 months old... dont think alcohol is 20 because in almost all college based dramas they show freshers party in a bar with them having drinks... korean age counting is kind of confusing... 20 in korea is 18-19 internationally... they add 1 or 2 yrs based on the month one is born..
Well, in the movie version 17 again.. Zac Efron also kissed an old lady and Zac Efron was only 21 at that time…
i guess i didnt mind the character age that much considering he was trapped in a younger body but he is actually a guy in his 40s... i guess i would have be fine with the romance if the older version of DY was never shown in the present at all like in the movie and his appearance was limited till the flashback scenes... i also felt she was much more attracted towards the younger DY than older DY...
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if you are talking about me criticism the female characters.. yes there are plenty of dramas that i dropped because of weak female characters and there are plenty of dramas in which i have criticized the male characters and even dropped as well... my criticism for a character is not based on their gender... if this one was a drama based on an imaginary world where women were in power and it didnt had enough male characters then i would have said the drama didnt had enough male characters... as i told before i would have understood that the drama didnt had enough female characters if there were rules that women cannot do night hunt or become cultivators or clan heads... but that's not the case... forgive me for bringing another drama as an example but i dont know how to explain this to you without an example... in kingdom also there were very few female characters, to be precise only 2 major female characters throughout the drama but i didnt feel the lack of female characters in it because the entire setting is of soldiers and people in power fighting against zombies and its set in ancient times... so its understandable why there is a lack of female characters in the drama...they didnt recruit women in the army and women didnt hold officer or minister posts... fyi kingdom is also written by a woman...
i loved the flying kiss lee yeon gave the gatekeeper... some of his small actions and expressions are interesting... i really thought the ceo will die in this episode but i enjoy it everytime LY scares the shit out of him... i wish the ceo has a terrible death... he irritates me with his manipulation... so imoogi is way older than lee yeon and still have an inferiority complex... lol i didnt get what imoogi said about 'not being able to turn to a dragon'.. the dialogues are so fast that at times its hard to keep up with the subtitles...
why does jiah's parents kind of look aloof when she met them? did something change in them after being trapped in that cherry for so long?
i like how smart most of the characters are and its hard to fool both imoogi and lee yeon... it more fun to watch when the villian and the hero are equally smart and clever...
yuri, shinjoo and the kid are so adorable together... i hope there are more scenes with the 3... the more yuri gets attached to shinjoo the more i worry about his life... the news of the spinoff is making me worried about him further...
i am scared for shinjoo and basically everyone for the next episode...
Well, in the movie version 17 again.. Zac Efron also kissed an old lady and Zac Efron was only 21 at that time…
i had no problem with couples with age gap as long as they both look good together and has nice chemistry and the story justifies it but my problem was the inconsistency of how older and younger DY appears... like they used both older and younger DY with the children, father and mother in law scenes but only used younger DY for romantic scenes with JD... they could have started the kiss with the younger version and ended it with the older version indicating that she finally saw DY for who he is... for me the kissing scene and all the romantic scenes after that came off as following the trend of noona romance... the kissing scene b/w older DY and DJ in the last episode wasnt shot as intense as the other one when going by the scene the kiss in the last episode should have been more intimate than the other one...
Ok why no one is curious about the oldman ....who the hell was he?.... Why did he help hong dae young?.... Or…
they didnt explain who or what he was... he helped hing dae young because DY was kind to him and helped him... if you remember there was a scene were da jung helps the old man cross the road and he offered her a repay and she left saying she was in a hurry... its the same like the movie... no clear explanation oh how or who turned him young...
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What has the drama having 2 MALE LEADS have anything to do with having fewer important female characters? Even if it was a love story b/w a man and a woman and there still was not enough female characters in a 50episode drama I would have said the same...
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Male character or female character doesn't matter, if I find that a character lacks something then I will say it... It's not solely reserved for female characters... There are plenty of dramas that I dropped due to irritating male leads... Lwj is a male character and I told my disappoint towards his character as well... Jgy and wy are male characters and I said what I like and dislike about them as well... I have watched 50 episodes of this drama and I have made it pretty clear in my review that my review is solely based on the drama and I haven't read anything related to the books and I might to have enjoyed it the way fans of the book did... I made those points perfectly clean at the start of the review...I also made it extremely clear that even though I watched the entire drama and I liked the entire story, I didn't feel any emotional connection towards any character... There were a lot of scenes were moving the story was given more importance than to absorb what just happened... The best examples is the death of Yulin... Even before I could absorb the fact that Yulin died, wwx already fell of the cliff... There were a lot of scenes like this which only made me want to see what's happening in the story rather than invest in the characters.... If I didn't wait and obseve each character then the drama didn't made me feel interested in doing so...
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i watched the drama simply because it had such a high rating and i had zero knowledge of wuxia to have a pre-set conviction or prejudice towards anything in this drama... also if i had any sort of problem with BL content i would simply dont watch it... if i am not interested in a certain genre or have a problem watching something that i dont feel right i simply wont watch it...
you seem to have not read the conversation i had with shortcircut.. it was her who came up with wwx being clueless and not me... i said i find him more thoughtless than clueless because of some of the actions... she said something about 'you like mianmian' from the novel and i simply said mianmian didnt had any scenes with lwj or wwx in the drama that can be interpreted as flirting and IF WANTED some scenes b/w wwx and wq can be seen as flirting rather than any scenes with mianmian... i never said wwx or wq were flirting around...
also just because a show is written by a female doesnt mean she will only show strong female characters... the heirs was written by a female writer and the female lead was crying for more than half of the drama and getting dragged around by both the male leads...
there is one thing that i didn't miss at all and that is yibo's acting... he was so robotic that i gave extra attention to lwj to see some sort of expression on his face... there were scenes where he was simply uttering dialogues and was looking in a different direction than the person he was having a conversation with... i always see people justifying the lack of acting skills of an actor by saying he is playing a cold character who has a problem expressing himself... also most of the times this kind of cold characters are given to people with limited acting skills unless there is a major change in the character afterward... i can give examples of actors that managed to bring emotions even while playing cold emotionless characters but someone said not to bring other drama names into this...
also if i havent watched the entire drama i wouldn't be having so many questions regarding the drama...
i have written plenty of good things about the drama in my review and even gave a 10/10 for the story but it seems like you only saw the things i disliked about the drama... i personally didnt bring up any of the things i didn't like about the drama on this comment session and didnt even intended to have a conversation about it... i only used the comment session to clear my doubt and it was someone else who brough up what i wrote in the review... it seems like the hardcore fans of this drama cannot handle the fact that someone else don't find this to be flawless and a masterpiece as they do...
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i find Yulin to be weak because she has no say or was never shown to have any interest in what's happening in the clan or whatever was going on in the drama apart from showering love towards JC and WWX... she became relevant only when jc and wwx needed her... after JC came into power, she could have shown to be more involved in political aspect of the clan and helping in rebuilding the clan... her mother clearly had a strong position in the clan... she clearly had that in her to play an important position in the clan as she wasnt very meek or shy when she defended wwx in the forest... that scene showed she had potential but wasnt explored... i am not asking for abundance of female characters but bare minimum... after the flashback there was not even one single important female characters... you know your defense on lack of female characters can also be used to justify racist or homophobic film makers for not representing people of colors or gay characters in dramas/movies... they can also say quality over quantity and get away with it...
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i wasnt underwhelmed with the cinematography.. i dont even remember mentioning cinematography in my review.... in fact i appreciated the technical aspects of the drama... i always appreciate the technical aspects of chinese dramas esp the vfx... its the makeup i had problem with... for instance in the first episode the mo clan get one of their hands possessed and the hand makeup looked like it was copied from a 70s or 80s horror movie... then the over use of foundation on some characters...
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as i told in the review even though i liked the overall story and finished watching all the 50 episodes in 2-3 days and didnt feel like it dragged anywhere it still didnt made me emotionally invested in the characters which is the reason why i gave the story a 10/10 but other aspects an average rating... i only fast-forwarded the fight scenes and the once where they play the music... at one point i wanted to know what happened after the flashback so i went and watched an episode after the flashback and thats when i skipped some episodes and watched the present day i went back and watched all the episdoes... i didnt skip a single episode... i fast-forwarded way more in empress ki ( even skipped some episodes) but i still got emotionally invested in a lot of characters and even felt bad for some of the bad guys... that didn't happen for me with this one...
i do agree that yunli had a great impact on jc and wwx and i loved their relationship but apart from being a loving sister, she didnt had anything else to do... considering there are only 2 major female characters they should have given her more depth... even her love story with jzx looked half-baked... the show really lacks female characters... it would have made sense if the night hunting thing was solely for men but its not... i cannot remember any other drama with so fewer female characters...
The novel is clearer than that. WWX's death happened 13 years ago, the first flashback is from 16 years ago, so…
i remember jin clan staying silent when wen clan attacked everyone else and when wwx was arguing in the court with the jin head i thought he will bring it up and question their morality... but literally no one brought that up and the rest of the clan even agreed to put jin clan as the head... technically someone like the lan clan should have been chosen as the head considering they are the clan with least extremism and cleanest image...
there was no peaceful way because wwx fought for the wen siblings too late... i thought the first thing wwx would do after defeating the wen clan would be to make sure the wen siblings are safe... that was kind of out of character of wwx who is very loyal towards people... it took him to see wen qing right in front of his eyes to think about them... wwx, jc and yulin lived at the mercy of the wen siblings for months and wen qing not just gave shelter to them but even helped with the golden core transplantation... the remaining wen clan were used as slaves by the rest of the clan and wwx could have easily asked for the wen siblings for the jiang clan and kept them in a safe place till everything settles down... i guess they did that to move forward the plot... wwx not thinking about the wen siblings for so many months was a plot hole...
The novel is clearer than that. WWX's death happened 13 years ago, the first flashback is from 16 years ago, so…
i think he gave up his core because he loves jiang chang and cannot see him being so lifeless and not because he owned the jiang clan.. jc put himself as bait to save wwx being caught and yulin saving wwx from the sword were purely their love for wwx... none of the 3 thinks about themselves when it comes to saving the other... wwx didnt know jc got his golden core crushed because he tried to save wwx.. if he did then he would have gone through the same guilt and would have lashed out at jc the same way jc lashed out at him after knowing the truth... jc also hid this truth the same way wwx hid the truth about the golden core... jc from the start never approved of wwx's impulsive decisions and he is someone who always abide by the law... he wasnt kissing up the ass of higher up... he was just thinking about his entire clan as a clan head before blindly following wwx's decisions... whatever decision he makes has a direct effect on the entire clan.. the entire wen clan had to pay the price for what their clan head and his sons did.. same way the entire jiang clan would have to face the consequence if jiang chang openly supported wwx and his decisions... he clearly had no problem with wwx taking care of the wen clan till wen ning killed his brother in law... jiang chang as a person is indebted towards the wen siblings but as a clan head he cannot give any sort of help towards wen siblings as he has to take into consideration of his entire clan's feelings...
The novel is clearer than that. WWX's death happened 13 years ago, the first flashback is from 16 years ago, so…
i guess the reason why jgy could insert guilt inside wwx when he tried to manipulate him and jc at the end was because a lot of wwx's decisions were impulsive and thoughtless... he was highly respected when he used his powers to kill the head of wen clan but one of the major reasons why the rest of the clan leaders started getting irked by him is his attitude... he could have been polite and asked the rest of the clan to forgive the wen siblings... he could have explained it to them on how the wen siblings helped the jiang clan and he can guarantee to keep the wen clan on check since he is so powerful... but instead he took the rebellious turn from the start... he never tried the peaceful way.... he never really thought about the wen siblings till he saw wen qing on the street and that was months after the defeat of the wen clan and jiang clan already rebuilt lotus pier... he is very smart but not very clever...
The novel is clearer than that. WWX's death happened 13 years ago, the first flashback is from 16 years ago, so…
wwx being clueless as in with lwj or his overall character... if its his overall character then i think he is more thoughtless than clueless... he does whats right at the moment and dont think of the consequences or after effect of his actions... like he simply left with the wen clan to the barial mountain without thinking about jiang cheng or his importance in the jiang clan...
in the drama i cannot think of any scenes were lwj or wwx had any kind of scenes with mianmian which can be interpreted as flirting or showing interest... they dont even seem to be that close except everyone thinking mianmian is a sensible character... i think some scenes b/w wwx and wen qing could be seen as sort of flirting if we want to... apart from one scene were wwx is said to be a flirt there is no scene were he is shown to be actively flirting...
i guess its because the drama fleshed out the side characters so well, is the reason why i didnt feel the drama was dragging anywhere...
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DY and DJ got married when they were in highschool... during 2002 world cup DJ and DH were 20 (19 internationally) and the kids were already at least 6 months old...
dont think alcohol is 20 because in almost all college based dramas they show freshers party in a bar with them having drinks... korean age counting is kind of confusing... 20 in korea is 18-19 internationally... they add 1 or 2 yrs based on the month one is born..
i also felt she was much more attracted towards the younger DY than older DY...
if this one was a drama based on an imaginary world where women were in power and it didnt had enough male characters then i would have said the drama didnt had enough male characters...
as i told before i would have understood that the drama didnt had enough female characters if there were rules that women cannot do night hunt or become cultivators or clan heads... but that's not the case... forgive me for bringing another drama as an example but i dont know how to explain this to you without an example... in kingdom also there were very few female characters, to be precise only 2 major female characters throughout the drama but i didnt feel the lack of female characters in it because the entire setting is of soldiers and people in power fighting against zombies and its set in ancient times... so its understandable why there is a lack of female characters in the drama...they didnt recruit women in the army and women didnt hold officer or minister posts... fyi kingdom is also written by a woman...
i really thought the ceo will die in this episode but i enjoy it everytime LY scares the shit out of him... i wish the ceo has a terrible death... he irritates me with his manipulation...
so imoogi is way older than lee yeon and still have an inferiority complex... lol
i didnt get what imoogi said about 'not being able to turn to a dragon'.. the dialogues are so fast that at times its hard to keep up with the subtitles...
why does jiah's parents kind of look aloof when she met them? did something change in them after being trapped in that cherry for so long?
i like how smart most of the characters are and its hard to fool both imoogi and lee yeon... it more fun to watch when the villian and the hero are equally smart and clever...
yuri, shinjoo and the kid are so adorable together... i hope there are more scenes with the 3... the more yuri gets attached to shinjoo the more i worry about his life... the news of the spinoff is making me worried about him further...
i am scared for shinjoo and basically everyone for the next episode...
I have watched 50 episodes of this drama and I have made it pretty clear in my review that my review is solely based on the drama and I haven't read anything related to the books and I might to have enjoyed it the way fans of the book did... I made those points perfectly clean at the start of the review...I also made it extremely clear that even though I watched the entire drama and I liked the entire story, I didn't feel any emotional connection towards any character... There were a lot of scenes were moving the story was given more importance than to absorb what just happened... The best examples is the death of Yulin... Even before I could absorb the fact that Yulin died, wwx already fell of the cliff... There were a lot of scenes like this which only made me want to see what's happening in the story rather than invest in the characters.... If I didn't wait and obseve each character then the drama didn't made me feel interested in doing so...
you seem to have not read the conversation i had with shortcircut.. it was her who came up with wwx being clueless and not me... i said i find him more thoughtless than clueless because of some of the actions...
she said something about 'you like mianmian' from the novel and i simply said mianmian didnt had any scenes with lwj or wwx in the drama that can be interpreted as flirting and IF WANTED some scenes b/w wwx and wq can be seen as flirting rather than any scenes with mianmian... i never said wwx or wq were flirting around...
also just because a show is written by a female doesnt mean she will only show strong female characters... the heirs was written by a female writer and the female lead was crying for more than half of the drama and getting dragged around by both the male leads...
there is one thing that i didn't miss at all and that is yibo's acting... he was so robotic that i gave extra attention to lwj to see some sort of expression on his face... there were scenes where he was simply uttering dialogues and was looking in a different direction than the person he was having a conversation with... i always see people justifying the lack of acting skills of an actor by saying he is playing a cold character who has a problem expressing himself... also most of the times this kind of cold characters are given to people with limited acting skills unless there is a major change in the character afterward... i can give examples of actors that managed to bring emotions even while playing cold emotionless characters but someone said not to bring other drama names into this...
also if i havent watched the entire drama i wouldn't be having so many questions regarding the drama...
i have written plenty of good things about the drama in my review and even gave a 10/10 for the story but it seems like you only saw the things i disliked about the drama... i personally didnt bring up any of the things i didn't like about the drama on this comment session and didnt even intended to have a conversation about it... i only used the comment session to clear my doubt and it was someone else who brough up what i wrote in the review...
it seems like the hardcore fans of this drama cannot handle the fact that someone else don't find this to be flawless and a masterpiece as they do...
i am not asking for abundance of female characters but bare minimum... after the flashback there was not even one single important female characters...
you know your defense on lack of female characters can also be used to justify racist or homophobic film makers for not representing people of colors or gay characters in dramas/movies... they can also say quality over quantity and get away with it...
i fast-forwarded way more in empress ki ( even skipped some episodes) but i still got emotionally invested in a lot of characters and even felt bad for some of the bad guys... that didn't happen for me with this one...
i do agree that yunli had a great impact on jc and wwx and i loved their relationship but apart from being a loving sister, she didnt had anything else to do... considering there are only 2 major female characters they should have given her more depth... even her love story with jzx looked half-baked...
the show really lacks female characters... it would have made sense if the night hunting thing was solely for men but its not... i cannot remember any other drama with so fewer female characters...
there was no peaceful way because wwx fought for the wen siblings too late... i thought the first thing wwx would do after defeating the wen clan would be to make sure the wen siblings are safe... that was kind of out of character of wwx who is very loyal towards people... it took him to see wen qing right in front of his eyes to think about them... wwx, jc and yulin lived at the mercy of the wen siblings for months and wen qing not just gave shelter to them but even helped with the golden core transplantation...
the remaining wen clan were used as slaves by the rest of the clan and wwx could have easily asked for the wen siblings for the jiang clan and kept them in a safe place till everything settles down...
i guess they did that to move forward the plot... wwx not thinking about the wen siblings for so many months was a plot hole...
jc from the start never approved of wwx's impulsive decisions and he is someone who always abide by the law... he wasnt kissing up the ass of higher up... he was just thinking about his entire clan as a clan head before blindly following wwx's decisions... whatever decision he makes has a direct effect on the entire clan.. the entire wen clan had to pay the price for what their clan head and his sons did.. same way the entire jiang clan would have to face the consequence if jiang chang openly supported wwx and his decisions...
he clearly had no problem with wwx taking care of the wen clan till wen ning killed his brother in law...
jiang chang as a person is indebted towards the wen siblings but as a clan head he cannot give any sort of help towards wen siblings as he has to take into consideration of his entire clan's feelings...
he is very smart but not very clever...
because they give the exact timeline of wwx studying black magic, staying with the wen clan and other stuffs...
in the drama i cannot think of any scenes were lwj or wwx had any kind of scenes with mianmian which can be interpreted as flirting or showing interest... they dont even seem to be that close except everyone thinking mianmian is a sensible character... i think some scenes b/w wwx and wen qing could be seen as sort of flirting if we want to... apart from one scene were wwx is said to be a flirt there is no scene were he is shown to be actively flirting...
i guess its because the drama fleshed out the side characters so well, is the reason why i didnt feel the drama was dragging anywhere...