rationalbeings

This was baaad. Didn't make it past ep 3.

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I swear every Mango TV drama.... I know they don't have to care about their international audience considering how big china's population is....but c'mon! 99% of their drama's are unwatchable because of subbing issues. >:(

Ohhhh, I see. Thank you!

Really? I always feel like in the drama's I have watched the quirky/sunshine girl will chase the guy to some extent. But you're right there are definitely the bossy CEO type dramas where the cold boss will fall for the clumsy girl first.

When the Queen Dowager poisons herself and dies there's a voice over that says something and then there's a excerpt of historical writing shown on screen. Did anyone understand what was said. I was confused. So was she queen for a day and then was removed from the post?

Question about the last episode:

Everyone needs a Queens Umbrella!

I don't usually do palace political dramas esp ones with so little romance but this was so well done! This is the result of everyone - writer, cast & crew coming together to really make something different. It's fast paced but coherent, has some really interesting topics and always keeps you on the edge of the seat. It's one of the few dramas I had to give myself a bit of a spoiler for because I couldn't keep waiting to see how it would play out.

The Queen was so well written and brilliant and the Queen Dowager was brilliant in how evily she acted. It was really great to see two FEMALE veteran actors have such great roles. I have mostly seen Kim Hae Sook in positive roles and she always blows me away. Seeing her here, in such a negative role really made my respect for her grow.

All the princes even did such a great job. I disagree with those who thought the crown princess was too annoying, I thought she was cute but not naive. Just in love and knew what she wanted.

Although the plot is nothing new- it has all the normal palace political drama - the way it was written was refreshing. And it was interesting to see how the women in the palace both fought and comforted each other. It does slow a bit in the last few eps as everything unravels and comes out, but it was satisfying to see it all happen.

In short- watch this drama, everything was wonderful, esp the acting!

Yup that's what I read too! Super interesting how their community is set up.

On episode 6 and I feel like I need xanax with each episode. It's all so anxiety inducing (in an engaging way)!

Yeah I read a lot about them after being introduced to them here. Fascinating culture but like @bluekitchen said they have a more complicated approach to gender equality. It does seem that outside influence is slowly seeping into their culture now. Interested to see how it will play out with the new generation who are more interested in monogamy.

Also found it so interesting that their uncles are responsible in helping raise the kids instead of the fathers. So I'm assuming most father's have their own set of nieces and nephews they raise instead of their own bio kids.

Then it's probably best to ask - with an open and accepting mind- to women who choose to (google is also available). In my experience however, those who question a women's decision to do something largely ask without listening and without a willingness to accept their answer.

FYI your use of the word "hide" illustrates your predisposition towards negative judgment. The language you use has a lot of hidden connotations. But to them maybe they are protecting themselves or it connects them to their spirituality. Perhaps it's what they feel most comfortable in. What's the problem either way?

My thoughts lie with - her body, her choice. As long as no one is being forced/hurt then I don't see the harm in covering up or walking around naked. Why people need to question that is beyond me.

Putting this on hold on ep 7 for now. Can't deal with how bland the story is getting. They have something interesting to show but the writer decided 2000s Kdramas is where the plot needs to head to.

Same! I just finished ep 7 and I'm kinda annoyed that the writers chose to bring in a first love trope. She seems so nice and he is all like well I'm moving on. It feels so unfair to her.

It's also ruining the drama for me cause there's too much focus on this love triangle now and I want them to focus more on her supernatural ability. Like sorry - she can talk to dead people and we have to waste time on a pointless love triangle?

Same here! I was like.....this seems like the dumbest solution to his problem.

oo thank you! I will add this to my list.

Also - I love the fact that this turned the trope of cold boy being chased by sunshine girl on it's head. We got to see the straight A cold boy chase the sunshine girl and it was done well!

Hard to judge this one. It's both adorable and a bit of a drag. Unlike everyone else what I found dragging was the last 5 episodes. I think the writer/director put too many boring filler scenes after the main leads get together. Although I enjoyed their sweet moments did we need to see the car ride/wang yu's interruptions/airport goodbye of the exbff? Cause I wasn't interested in any of those scenes.

The drama relies on the push/pull chemistry of the main leads (as most youth dramas do) and this was sweet and fluffy in that aspect. Whilst it takes a while I think the execution up to this part was great. After that however it's like they forgot how to build tension (MINI SPOLIER:!!! like how they made her visit to the hospital in the end so anti-climatic).

The main leads were super cute together- slowly becoming a fan of Xi Wei - loved her in NLB and this. She has very unique sense of cuteness to her but can do emotional/serious scenes really well. ML was good (albeit a bit too stiff. I can't tell if it was the role or his acting) and most of the secondary couples were likeable. I hated the ex-bffs though and thought they were forgiven too easily. The FL basically just is overly-forgiving (a disease that most FLs in dramaland suffer from).

If this was 20 eps it would have been much better. Overall this is a cute watch but I don't see myself re-watching this. OST was good though!

Yeah they really overdid it with his interruptions. I was not amused by the 5th time already.

re: hijab - i think you sum it up best "but with what I think". i.e every single hijabi I know has independently chosen to wear it after careful evaluation. To stereotype most hijabis (sure there are populations that are forced to, like in Iran which I totally disagree with) - as unable to think for themselves is not only Islamophobic but also massively misogynistic and why western feminism has failed with POC women.

I think it's a massive misconception of the west to believe women who wear the hijab are conditioned to do so. It's looking at an entire religion/culture through the lens of western culture and judging it as so. Which is neither right or fair to the majority of intelligent independent thinking women who choose to wear it. It's akin to looking at a bikini through the eyes of a more conservative culture. Either way you are in the end telling women what to do and not respecting their own choice or decisions in the end. The argument that "these poor women don't know what they are doing" reeks of misogyny. Very White Saviour complex which let's be honest should be thrown away in 2022. We don't need it nor want it.

Anyway this is a drama forum so I don't want to get too political here but I'm over anyone telling any woman how to dress whether it be to cover up more or to not cover up. Taking someone's choice away is not freedom. It's gross to think otherwise.

Although I agree that equality is definitely better in Europe compared to other parts of the world, a lot of it also depends on the colour of your skin or your religion. Look at the disgusting way France is treating the right for muslim women to wear a hijab. It's body policing and it's so gross and then they claim to have equality. It's only when you conform to their norms is it "equal".

The world still has a long way to go *sigh*.