I'm sorry but can I ask how is it unrealistic?All the scenes on Episode 1 were actually pretty adorable, apart…
I agree 100% with Liz below, so see her comments.
I will add that you do need to understand that Tine and Sarawat are gay and thats why they seem flirtatious with each other. Also, according to those who have read the novel, Sarawat already liked tine so his reaction to him is not out of the blue.
So, is not that unrealistic. However as Liz points out, i dont watch BLs for their realistic depiction of LGBTQ life. Its a fantasy and thats why I love it!
lol same both actors are just so straight in real life that them kissing, it's almost unimaginable to me i hope…
I wonder how many people have a hard time thinking of me and my husband kissing, since we are not very flamboyant and we rarely hold hands etc in public....
Sometimes you don't have to look like you are constantly on top of each other to even be a couple, let alone a couple who are just actors. They may get along pretty well but they may not like to be touchy feely around people.
Who knows, maybe they have practiced kissing already :P just saying, these two are actors. I don't think they are out to give fanservice. Bright doesn't even have a public IG.
They are just highly committed professional actors!
I think it will be great when they finally kiss. It only takes a committed actor to make a kiss like that work.…
Agreed.
I think in Bright we have a guy who is not interested in doing any fanservice and I think this is why they show no chemistry in interviews.
If you look at that first episode, the chemistry IMO between them was probably at least at or beyond Frame and Book or Phun and Noh. It was great... Like when he walk out of the bathroom and touched his hair, that was well done. Or in the dream sequence, when they almost kiss, that was also great. I saw no fear in him getting that close to Win. And BTW IMO Green and Tine do kiss in that dream sequence. It was sooo close, I am almost sure that was a kiss and they just edited it out a little. (Did there lips touch? I want to say they did... need to watch again...)
For sure, seeing some very toxic series so popular (like Addictive Heroine or Tharn Type) can be disheartening.…
Me and another poster here have put up a discussion about the character of Green, which you allude to, in the discussion board and I will refer you to his excellent discussion on this subject (as well as my perhaps not as great discussion about it). I have some notes on it below, but you should read his take on it. Its very good.
You are incorrect in assuming that he is going "gay" because of women. Its been very apparent to me that he is gay, just in denial. That's why he sees women as caricatures and that is why he is spending an inordinate amount of time and energy trying to get to Sarawat (who, it is also hinted, is gay).
If you pay attention to Thai BL you will see things are changing and a lot more dramas and romcoms are showing gay ppl saying they are gay (instead of I am not gay, I just like you). DBK did it. 3 Will Be Free also had a gay character (and the best female representation I have seen in BL!). ToL, sadly was not too clear about this but it was pretty much insinuated that Third was gay but Khai was not. ToL also had a lot of those "crazy women" type characters and unlike this show, in ToL there was no excuse. To some degree ToL was a step backwards, even when it had perhaps the best kissing scenes of the year.
I find your definition of straight to be too simplistic. I hope you keep watching more BL and as BL evolves you, you will learn and become more aware of when a character is hinted to be gay and when a character is hinted to be bisexual (for an interesting bi character watch 3 Will Be Free).
I go back to my original statement that this is all narrated by Tine. That montage in the beginning is a flashback and he is narrating his relationship with women. That is his view of women. While some men will find it cute when a women does certain things, he finds it annoying. That's whats going on there. He doesn't know he is gay but soon enough he will.
His reaction to Green is not a typical homophobic reaction either. In fact, he meets with him on the basement of the school to try to convince him that he will get "beat up" by these guys who "hate people who fall in love" (notice, no homophobic comments here either), as though he is trying hard to not offend Green by telling him "I don't like you" again and again. Then he also goes to Greeen, who is seen crying (and as I recall, this is a first in Thai BL, a gay character who is feminine seen crying in a way that we empathize), and tries to comfort him. Then they go out on what seems like a date. This all points out to the fact that Tine is probably very empathic to Green because he is gay, like Green.
Later we see Tine with his eyes focused on Sarawat. Later, when he sees Sarawat he can barely talk and responds rather non-nonchalantly to Sarawat's "I will kiss you until you drop". If by this point, you don't think they are both gay, you most check a fuse in your gaydar, 'cause its just not working.
So no, Tine didn't become gay because how women treated him. He treats women they way he does and sees him the way he does, because Tine is gay. And Sarawat will not make him gay. Sarawat will force Tine to see that he too, like Sarawat, is in fact gay.
For sure, seeing some very toxic series so popular (like Addictive Heroine or Tharn Type) can be disheartening.…
Not every minute of a tv show has to educational.
We gays have to deal with a myriad of troupes and stereotypes in tv all the time.
I love how this show has subverted some of those stereotypes. This is why I ask about your experience with Thai shows. I also asked because, you cant do any kind of analysis of stereotypes without knowing the social context. You cant also see the ways this show is subverting stereotypes. It should be praised for that.
I understand your concerns and if this was not a BL show, I would agree. But alas, its bl and its a win for representation of LGBTQ ppl in asia. So, as far as your struggle for positive repetition of females, could we just criticize the show without vilifying it? I mean for me as a gay man this is a gem. Is not that i dont care about your struggle but that is a larger problem than this little show.
Much has been said about the fact that this was written by a women. I agree that you need to take that into consideration but the biggest issue here, and i bring this up again without you having acknowledged it yet in any of your rebuttals in any significant way, is that this is a gay mens perspective on this women and as a gay man I am very sorry to tell you that often when one is in the closet, women look exactly like this to us, incomprehensible, needy, immature, self centered and annoying and boring.
Once you come out, your perspective changes. We saw this n lovesick and i personally cried like a baby when Noh and yuri have the conversation at the end that breaks yuris heart. So, no, i dont see women that way anymore. I have many good friends who arr girls and like you I try to be conscious of all these issues. I do think women are not portrayed in a positive light in american or thai tv. In that we can agree.
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I am still loving it. It left me smiling and laughing for the entire duration of the episode!
I will add that you do need to understand that Tine and Sarawat are gay and thats why they seem flirtatious with each other. Also, according to those who have read the novel, Sarawat already liked tine so his reaction to him is not out of the blue.
So, is not that unrealistic. However as Liz points out, i dont watch BLs for their realistic depiction of LGBTQ life. Its a fantasy and thats why I love it!
There is a pic of him I wish I could share with you all where he is in his soccer shorts... its yummy.
Expect to see this obsession with Bright to continue. :)
Sometimes you don't have to look like you are constantly on top of each other to even be a couple, let alone a couple who are just actors. They may get along pretty well but they may not like to be touchy feely around people.
Who knows, maybe they have practiced kissing already :P just saying, these two are actors. I don't think they are out to give fanservice. Bright doesn't even have a public IG.
They are just highly committed professional actors!
I think in Bright we have a guy who is not interested in doing any fanservice and I think this is why they show no chemistry in interviews.
If you look at that first episode, the chemistry IMO between them was probably at least at or beyond Frame and Book or Phun and Noh. It was great... Like when he walk out of the bathroom and touched his hair, that was well done. Or in the dream sequence, when they almost kiss, that was also great. I saw no fear in him getting that close to Win. And BTW IMO Green and Tine do kiss in that dream sequence. It was sooo close, I am almost sure that was a kiss and they just edited it out a little. (Did there lips touch? I want to say they did... need to watch again...)
Anyway if you see the picture, you will know. You can also tell he is, shall we say, a well equipped athlete? :)
It only takes a committed actor to make a kiss like that work. You don't need to be gay.
You are incorrect in assuming that he is going "gay" because of women. Its been very apparent to me that he is gay, just in denial. That's why he sees women as caricatures and that is why he is spending an inordinate amount of time and energy trying to get to Sarawat (who, it is also hinted, is gay).
If you pay attention to Thai BL you will see things are changing and a lot more dramas and romcoms are showing gay ppl saying they are gay (instead of I am not gay, I just like you). DBK did it. 3 Will Be Free also had a gay character (and the best female representation I have seen in BL!). ToL, sadly was not too clear about this but it was pretty much insinuated that Third was gay but Khai was not. ToL also had a lot of those "crazy women" type characters and unlike this show, in ToL there was no excuse. To some degree ToL was a step backwards, even when it had perhaps the best kissing scenes of the year.
I find your definition of straight to be too simplistic. I hope you keep watching more BL and as BL evolves you, you will learn and become more aware of when a character is hinted to be gay and when a character is hinted to be bisexual (for an interesting bi character watch 3 Will Be Free).
I go back to my original statement that this is all narrated by Tine. That montage in the beginning is a flashback and he is narrating his relationship with women. That is his view of women. While some men will find it cute when a women does certain things, he finds it annoying. That's whats going on there. He doesn't know he is gay but soon enough he will.
His reaction to Green is not a typical homophobic reaction either. In fact, he meets with him on the basement of the school to try to convince him that he will get "beat up" by these guys who "hate people who fall in love" (notice, no homophobic comments here either), as though he is trying hard to not offend Green by telling him "I don't like you" again and again. Then he also goes to Greeen, who is seen crying (and as I recall, this is a first in Thai BL, a gay character who is feminine seen crying in a way that we empathize), and tries to comfort him. Then they go out on what seems like a date. This all points out to the fact that Tine is probably very empathic to Green because he is gay, like Green.
Later we see Tine with his eyes focused on Sarawat. Later, when he sees Sarawat he can barely talk and responds rather non-nonchalantly to Sarawat's "I will kiss you until you drop". If by this point, you don't think they are both gay, you most check a fuse in your gaydar, 'cause its just not working.
So no, Tine didn't become gay because how women treated him. He treats women they way he does and sees him the way he does, because Tine is gay. And Sarawat will not make him gay. Sarawat will force Tine to see that he too, like Sarawat, is in fact gay.
We gays have to deal with a myriad of troupes and stereotypes in tv all the time.
I love how this show has subverted some of those stereotypes. This is why I ask about your experience with Thai shows. I also asked because, you cant do any kind of analysis of stereotypes without knowing the social context. You cant also see the ways this show is subverting stereotypes. It should be praised for that.
I understand your concerns and if this was not a BL show, I would agree. But alas, its bl and its a win for representation of LGBTQ ppl in asia. So, as far as your struggle for positive repetition of females, could we just criticize the show without vilifying it? I mean for me as a gay man this is a gem. Is not that i dont care about your struggle but that is a larger problem than this little show.
Much has been said about the fact that this was written by a women. I agree that you need to take that into consideration but the biggest issue here, and i bring this up again without you having acknowledged it yet in any of your rebuttals in any significant way, is that this is a gay mens perspective on this women and as a gay man I am very sorry to tell you that often when one is in the closet, women look exactly like this to us, incomprehensible, needy, immature, self centered and annoying and boring.
Once you come out, your perspective changes. We saw this n lovesick and i personally cried like a baby when Noh and yuri have the conversation at the end that breaks yuris heart. So, no, i dont see women that way anymore. I have many good friends who arr girls and like you I try to be conscious of all these issues. I do think women are not portrayed in a positive light in american or thai tv. In that we can agree.
But this show is a gem.