Drugs are not a problem - the big problem is the rape accusation. Lack of sufficient evidence does not mean he…
I feel really grateful for this exchange. It’s not often we can make our way through friction to find common ground in these kind of online settings. Thank you…. And I’m with you on rape culture and the difficulty for victims. May the light continue to illuminate the dark corners and healing happen where it is needed.
Drugs are not a problem - the big problem is the rape accusation. Lack of sufficient evidence does not mean he…
Wow @aska. So many assumptions and even towards me. Hard to know where to start. From here on I overuse the words “assumption, generalization, and speculation” 😅
First, glad to be raised in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty. To address your number one. For someone of that level of visibility and particularly at that time, there are many reasons why someone might bring forth those charges, one of which is indeed that it could be valid. At this point there is nothing that points to this…. Further, everything written above continues to be based on generalizations on “rapists”, which again there is nothing that says Yoo Ah In fits in this category at this time…
Your number two, i agree that its a statistical fact, however it is still a generalization a that has no basis on this situation that we are aware of, once again relying on speculation.
Your three, he was drug tested, the police included this in the investigations, you can read about it. Once again, you’re creating possibilities through your imagination and assuming based on past life experiences which could approximate this situation or could be drastically far from the truth. “Highly likely”, etc is still pure fluff.
To be clear, in a general, I see nothing wrong with the information you are citing, and yet it still does not hold in order to accuse Yoo Ah In or assume ‘likelihood’ of perpetration.
Last, saying that I am an emotionally invested “fan” does very little to assert your case or speak to my perspective. I h o p e your next to last statement does not imply as it reads. “You would argue that he (KSH?) did not do it”. As I understand your statement, it is truly farcical, and wildy assumptive - drawing conclusions from two unrelated cases about MY character, someone on the net whom you do not know. Attempting to use an ad hominem attack without anything to back it up, in order to negate my stance. I have been saying:
“Speculation and accusations without basis are harmful!” This is still true, by the way.
As for the KSH case, it was clear quite quickly that he groomed (at the very least) KSR, and I have stood very firmly on the side of ethics. Of course, you wouldn’t know this necessarily. The evidence that has mounted for KSH is magnanimous, and I have read every bit of it simply because I am a beneficiary to these artists and care about these issues. That situation (KSH, KSR) has snowballed and facets from many different times in his life have painted a very clear picture of his character as far as his grooming and attraction to minors, from what i have read. The evidence continues to grow to this day. That is 100% not the case with this particular case with Yoo Ah In. If there turns out to be evidence against him here or other accounts of sexual harm, or violence (even leaky boundaries), I would once again stand firmly on the grounds of ethics, even if it saddens my love for him as a true artist.
Thanks for acknowledging that you don’t know if he is guilty or innocent. This is something that feels congruent to me, as opposed to generalizing, universal stats and speculations to draw a conclusion without the care for the impact that it has…
Hello! Looking for a clarification of something in this navet article that I auto translated. When the lawyer of the family made the comment of if this doesn’t constitute a relationship and then something about grooming, what was he actually saying?? Thanks in advance!
Each day that passes, KSH is only confirming what we already know—that he is a narcissist.Humans evolved (or…
💯 Deflect and Blame is the only way for someone whom displays narcissistic traits. It’s so triggering to me, hard to look at…. The behavior is SO hurtful, even without the harm to minors. Add that to the equation and we have a real threat to society. 😣
Drugs are not a problem - the big problem is the rape accusation. Lack of sufficient evidence does not mean he…
“Seoul Yongsan Police Station decided not to transfer the case to the prosecution...”
“The police had questioned the plaintiff and Yoo, but said they could not find sufficient evidence to back up the allegation.” Strait Times
Present in the officetel flat, where neither were proprietors, were also other people. What is important to note is that the allegations (a month after said incident) came to light while there was a heavy spotlight on Yoo Ah In for illegal drug use. We cannot know what the motivating factors were or the truth of the situation, as it currently stands. This is my position, until something else comes to light to shift that.
“Police considered statements by both parties and WITNESSES as well as CCTV footage from the site.” Korea Herald
There was an investigation. He was legally acquitted and that person hasn’t been heard of again publicly. There have also not been charges before, and no others came forward since.
Your statement of “I think there is fire with this smoke” followed by “I have never heard of this actor before” constitute speculation without basis. The assumption that the written “insufficient evidence (not because he didn’t do it)” then translates to there WAS evidence of sexual assault is also speculative, as we don’t know what was submitted to the police or what the situation was. Not even Wikipedia (which is written by the general public) lists evidence submitted. I still hold that these types of presumptive statements towards someone that was acquitted by law enforcement are harmful in many ways. 🕊️
Drugs are not a problem - the big problem is the rape accusation. Lack of sufficient evidence does not mean he…
He was acquitted and there wasn’t evidence to prosecute him. Fact. As triggering as rape culture is, it doesn't mean that in this case it is true. Fact. Spouting opinions without evidence to back it up harms lives, also a fact.
First, glad to be raised in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty. To address your number one. For someone of that level of visibility and particularly at that time, there are many reasons why someone might bring forth those charges, one of which is indeed that it could be valid. At this point there is nothing that points to this…. Further, everything written above continues to be based on generalizations on “rapists”, which again there is nothing that says Yoo Ah In fits in this category at this time…
Your number two, i agree that its a statistical fact, however it is still a generalization a
that has no basis on this situation that we are aware of, once again relying on speculation.
Your three, he was drug tested, the police included this in the investigations, you can read about it. Once again, you’re creating possibilities through your imagination and assuming based on past life experiences which could approximate this situation or could be drastically far from the truth. “Highly likely”, etc is still pure fluff.
To be clear, in a general, I see nothing wrong with the information you are citing, and yet it still does not hold in order to accuse Yoo Ah In or assume ‘likelihood’ of perpetration.
Last, saying that I am an emotionally invested “fan” does very little to assert your case or speak to my perspective. I h o p e your next to last statement does not imply as it reads. “You would argue that he (KSH?) did not do it”. As I understand your statement, it is truly farcical, and wildy assumptive - drawing conclusions from two unrelated cases about MY character, someone on the net whom you do not know. Attempting to use an ad hominem attack without anything to back it up, in order to negate my stance. I have been saying:
“Speculation and accusations without basis are harmful!” This is still true, by the way.
As for the KSH case, it was clear quite quickly that he groomed (at the very least) KSR, and I have stood very firmly on the side of ethics. Of course, you wouldn’t know this necessarily. The evidence that has mounted for KSH is magnanimous, and I have read every bit of it simply because I am a beneficiary to these artists and care about these issues. That situation (KSH, KSR) has snowballed and facets from many different times in his life have painted a very clear picture of his character as far as his grooming and attraction to minors, from what i have read. The evidence continues to grow to this day. That is 100% not the case with this particular case with Yoo Ah In. If there turns out to be evidence against him here or other accounts of sexual harm, or violence (even leaky boundaries), I would once again stand firmly on the grounds of ethics, even if it saddens my love for him as a true artist.
Thanks for acknowledging that you don’t know if he is guilty or innocent. This is something that feels congruent to me, as opposed to generalizing, universal stats and speculations to draw a conclusion without the care for the impact that it has…
https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/108/0003315222
“The police had questioned the plaintiff and Yoo, but said they could not find sufficient evidence to back up the allegation.” Strait Times
Present in the officetel flat, where neither were proprietors, were also other people. What is important to note is that the allegations (a month after said incident) came to light while there was a heavy spotlight on Yoo Ah In for illegal drug use. We cannot know what the motivating factors were or the truth of the situation, as it currently stands. This is my position, until something else comes to light to shift that.
“Police considered statements by both parties and WITNESSES as well as CCTV footage from the site.” Korea Herald
There was an investigation. He was legally acquitted and that person hasn’t been heard of again publicly. There have also not been charges before, and no others came forward since.
Your statement of “I think there is fire with this smoke” followed by “I have never heard of this actor before” constitute speculation without basis. The assumption that the written “insufficient evidence (not because he didn’t do it)” then translates to there WAS evidence of sexual assault is also speculative, as we don’t know what was submitted to the police or what the situation was. Not even Wikipedia (which is written by the general public) lists evidence submitted. I still hold that these types of presumptive statements towards someone that was acquitted by law enforcement are harmful in many ways. 🕊️