I hope people give love and attention to Xuanji too :(( She's adorable and always priorities Sifeng! both main…
she does! in most dramas you wonder why the fl and ml even fall in love with each other, as if they were randomly picked but here it's clear as day. She's also such a kind and competent fl too. Usually you either have competence or kindness in fl, not both lol.
Whoever designed this poster needs to be fired. I came across this drama before and passed on it because the poster…
I like the 90s poster look, it was what me made want to watch it, although I did see fantasy genre and held it off, so try out dramas even if you don't like the genre aha.
Lol, the age of consent in Japan is 13, and the consent is 16 in a lot of states in America so not really that…
it's not in any state but16 in respect to someone who's a few years older, not 30. This is predatory. On japan, the least is 13 but most places if not all set it at18.
i think the point is you can see more feminine fl and manly heros, just without the objectification.that's the…
aha, im not the writer of the article :) I don't see this well political, but most forums can be said to political, when people speak about weak fls and such, this is just on a larger scale. This article simply critics the dehumanization of people in kdramaland. Objectification does play apart of the stories and depth, I mean, if there's no use for a scene and rather than to objectify the ml. seemingly if it was female objectification, we would see hell raise...(or would we? objectification has been quite accepted..) I respectfully disagree that this wasn't needed, but do agree with you on how quite politicized shows have become
i think the point is you can see more feminine fl and manly heros, just without the objectification.that's the…
"The gross comment was meant in response to someone saying the word "gross" in the comment section. I can't remember where. Look it up." I'm not sure what that response has to do with me lol.
> "My gender and sexuality have a lot to do with this topic. As a gay MAN I am attracted to other men but I am also a MAN and therefore I have a unique perspective as I am both the objectified gender and the one getting gratification from the objectification, something a woman can't feel in this particular case."
Except you being a homosexual man has little to do with this case, it's about the person being objectified, whether you're of same sex does not matter.
> "The issue is not with objectification but with the perception that objectification is somehow bad. This is where I disagree. The objectification of women in TV is bad insofar as it makes women one-note characters whose only value is in their physical beauty. When it comes to men, these almost never happens in TV. A man is valued for both his physical attributes and his non-physical attributes."
Then I disagree, you are presenting as you have a double standard when it comes to objectification of the genders. Objectification is bad, it's degrading yourself to a mere object of attraction. The fact the modern world sees humanity as "puritan", you would think said modernists and progressives would embrace humanity. Your issue is not whether objectification is bad but who is objectified? In those scenes, the only purpose is to be of beauty or physical enjoyment, mere object of attractment. There's also many instances where men are part for simply being eye candy and nothing more, it's a huge thing in dramaland not just kdramaland, hell, not even just dramas, even movies, to act oblivious...is.... Issue here is you're fine with objectification for males but not females, which defeats the whole purpose of being against objectification in the first place.
> "A good example of this is Trinity in the Matrix. She wears a suit that accentuates her curves but she is heroic and plays an important role in the movies, yet she sacrifices herself for the male White savior. The suit she wears is not the problem, it is her characterization and her role in the story that is an issue."
There's many instances of male characters sacrificing themselves and I have not watched the Matrix but sacrificing one's self, I don't see how that's a negative at all and not characterization in plot in character. Scarification has meaning, gives a her meaning, it gives her personality, being treated as a piece of meat is not equal lengths. There's no use for a shirtless scene, there is use for scarification as it has actual impact on her personality, wills and strength. Clearly her suit still has elements of objectification, that could be said an issue, but it's far better than most female heros suits.
i think the point is you can see more feminine fl and manly heros, just without the objectification.that's the…
"Please, men have objectified women since before TV existed. Now women get a break and are allowed to objectify men and all of a sudden it is "gross"? Really? The human body is not gross. It is beautiful. It should be celebrated." Yes, that is the point, men have objectified women, women have objectified men, people have objectified themselves since the beginning of time. People have degraded themselves and others since the beginning of time.
To pretend to be against objectifying women but turn around and support the objectification of men? As a woman, i find that horribly hypocritical and there's no reason to pretend to be against objectification of women, when you support the objectification of men. if you cherish something, you don't flaunt it as an object, your body is not a new car you just bought. It is your presumption that not supporting objectification = thinking the human body is gross.
"I need to take a deep breath... as a gay man I find this article extremely disturbing and anachronistic." It's an article that expresses an opinion piece that should be harmless and rather encouraging humanity and not objectification, I'm not sure what your sexuality has to do with degradation.
glad you made this article :), usually in kdramaland, we often see very skin deep topics labeled as problematic and rarely do we ever see actual topics discussed, as self-objectification in the modern sense is seemingly seen as empowering in both sects, male or female. I'm of similar opinion as you but rather seeing the blame primarily on companies, the blame is primarily on the objectification inducing culture as companies are reacting on the culture.
Give me a break. How far are you going to go with that one? They are shows! You can call it exploitation or you…
i think the point is you can see more feminine fl and manly heros, just without the objectification. that's the point, more people enjoy seeing men/women objectify themselves therefore more objectifying will occur. Same could be said, men will swoon over women in skimpy outfits. It makes no sense to blame the law of supply and demand, it is to state on that demand. What are you demanding? more objectification of men (this case) I do agree with you that modern feminism does enjoy making feminine traits seem like a negative thing for women (and rather positive? for men) and masculine traits for women positive (and a rather negative? for men.) But objectification has nothing to do with femininity or masculinity, it not only degrades you as a male or female, but as a living human being.
She's also such a kind and competent fl too.
Usually you either have competence or kindness in fl, not both lol.
On japan, the least is 13 but most places if not all set it at18.
I don't see this well political, but most forums can be said to political, when people speak about weak fls and such, this is just on a larger scale.
This article simply critics the dehumanization of people in kdramaland.
Objectification does play apart of the stories and depth, I mean, if there's no use for a scene and rather than to objectify the ml.
seemingly if it was female objectification, we would see hell raise...(or would we?
objectification has been quite accepted..)
I respectfully disagree that this wasn't needed, but do agree with you on how quite politicized shows have become
I'm not sure what that response has to do with me lol.
> "My gender and sexuality have a lot to do with this topic. As a gay MAN I am attracted to other men but I am also a MAN and therefore I have a unique perspective as I am both the objectified gender and the one getting gratification from the objectification, something a woman can't feel in this particular case."
Except you being a homosexual man has little to do with this case, it's about the person being objectified, whether you're of same sex does not matter.
> "The issue is not with objectification but with the perception that objectification is somehow bad. This is where I disagree. The objectification of women in TV is bad insofar as it makes women one-note characters whose only value is in their physical beauty. When it comes to men, these almost never happens in TV. A man is valued for both his physical attributes and his non-physical attributes."
Then I disagree, you are presenting as you have a double standard when it comes to objectification of the genders. Objectification is bad, it's degrading yourself to a mere object of attraction.
The fact the modern world sees humanity as "puritan", you would think said modernists and progressives would embrace humanity.
Your issue is not whether objectification is bad but who is objectified? In those scenes, the only purpose is to be of beauty or physical enjoyment, mere object of attractment.
There's also many instances where men are part for simply being eye candy and nothing more, it's a huge thing in dramaland not just kdramaland, hell, not even just dramas, even movies, to act oblivious...is....
Issue here is you're fine with objectification for males but not females, which defeats the whole purpose of being against objectification in the first place.
> "A good example of this is Trinity in the Matrix. She wears a suit that accentuates her curves but she is heroic and plays an important role in the movies, yet she sacrifices herself for the male White savior. The suit she wears is not the problem, it is her characterization and her role in the story that is an issue."
There's many instances of male characters sacrificing themselves and I have not watched the Matrix but sacrificing one's self, I don't see how that's a negative at all and not characterization in plot in character.
Scarification has meaning, gives a her meaning, it gives her personality, being treated as a piece of meat is not equal lengths.
There's no use for a shirtless scene, there is use for scarification as it has actual impact on her personality, wills and strength.
Clearly her suit still has elements of objectification, that could be said an issue, but it's far better than most female heros suits.
Yes, that is the point, men have objectified women, women have objectified men, people have objectified themselves since the beginning of time. People have degraded themselves and others since the beginning of time.
To pretend to be against objectifying women but turn around and support the objectification of men? As a woman, i find that horribly hypocritical and there's no reason to pretend to be against objectification of women, when you support the objectification of men.
if you cherish something, you don't flaunt it as an object, your body is not a new car you just bought. It is your presumption that not supporting objectification = thinking the human body is gross.
"I need to take a deep breath... as a gay man I find this article extremely disturbing and anachronistic."
It's an article that expresses an opinion piece that should be harmless and rather encouraging humanity and not objectification, I'm not sure what your sexuality has to do with degradation.
I'm of similar opinion as you but rather seeing the blame primarily on companies, the blame is primarily on the objectification inducing culture as companies are reacting on the culture.
that's the point, more people enjoy seeing men/women objectify themselves therefore more objectifying will occur.
Same could be said, men will swoon over women in skimpy outfits.
It makes no sense to blame the law of supply and demand, it is to state on that demand.
What are you demanding? more objectification of men (this case)
I do agree with you that modern feminism does enjoy making feminine traits seem like a negative thing for women (and rather positive? for men) and masculine traits for women positive (and a rather negative? for men.)
But objectification has nothing to do with femininity or masculinity, it not only degrades you as a male or female, but as a living human being.