Your words are a little confusing. First you said you can't understand why people cannot accept Jing being married.…
Its quite funny how the expectation of moral behavior ranges from the different viewers. Someone actually thought eloping was a solution. In fact this 'solution' of cooking the rice first was indeed an 'easy way out' for alot of other dramas. But Tonghua didn't want this. She only wanted Xiaoyao to get the best.
So from what I understand, to you, Jing should completely break his engagement off first before he courts Xiaoyao? But they already started their relationship in Qingshui town, before he was forced to go home. Also in the novel, he actually really had not much contact with Xiaoyao while he was working hard at it, which was what made her so angry with him. So are you saying Xiaoyao was the one who forced him to continue his courtship instead of putting it on pause? I am here for a love story against all odds, so yes to me if they don't sleep together, their courtship is ok with me. The engagement is only a business contract between clans for mutual benefits. Why should life be on hold just for that?
Tushan Jing did not love Fangfeng Yiying, Xiaoyao was not a third party who broke them up. There is no emotional affair or adultery of any kind as far as I am concerned. So I'm afraid I don't really see what is offending you so badly.
In exploring the protagonist of "Lost You Forever," Xiao Yao finds herself at a crossroads, torn between choosing…
I enjoyed reading your analysis and it is something that the author also explores.. If it was laid out so black and white, there won't be all these discussions and deep thinking about the story. However I disagree with your question about why Xiaoyao could not elope with Jing.
Xiaoyao was not a selfish person, she wanted Jing to place her first but when it came down to it, she never wanted to force him to give up his world for her. "If she truly desires him, why can't she answer the question?" At this particular point of your questioning, she had no idea that Jing's son was not his, or that Fangfeng Yiying was really so evil and had actually committed adultery with Hou to trap Jing.
I think most people cannot seem to understand why it was so difficult to cancel that engagement, because in most dramas, we just see the leads running away into the sunset, but eloping would damage not only Xiaoyao's reputation and Jing did not want that. Both of them still thought there was a chance for a better solution, until it all became too late.
As for her headache when Xiangliu phrased his question to her, I interpreted it as Xiaoyao could marry Ye Shiqi but she cannot bring herself to say she want to be with Jing because at that moment, he was still married to someone else and a father to a young child. As someone who was abandoned, she was too kind to deprive a child of his father by making him run away with her? In the drama, they have made Xiaoyao mention the difference to herself when she said during her coma "How can the Tushan Chief be Ye Shiqi?"
Why I felt that her reply was going to be Jing, was also because of the desperation in Xiangliu's voice ( kudos to tjc) when I watched the S2 Trailer. To me, that was his last hope that she might say his name, because if she did, maybe he really would consider leaving it all behind with her. But Xiangliu was unable to be the one to take that first step, to give up his world with Hong jiang and Chenrong army, just to have a chance to see if she will accept him or not.
As for Xiaoyao, she had always only remembered Xiangliu when she was lonely or heartbroken and needed company. For that, I feel bad for him and his unrequited love. She had never looked at his 'video' again after she returned from her coma, nor did she look at it again after she got Jing back. Sadly, I think Xiangliu is aware of that too. I can't help thinking if he actually thought he had a chance with her, he might really be tempted to wander the world with her.
But Xiangliu is a proud demon in the end, and he wanted to end their 'friend but not a friend' relationship on his own terms. I don't see it as a selfless move, but actually a selfish move because he made the decision for Xiaoyao and I really hate that kind of 'noble idiocy' trope. Xiaoyao should be the one who gets to decide if she wanted to remember this friend or not. For Xiangliu it was all or nothing. I can understand it, but I don't like it. In fact, that epilogue which showed him making that figurine, symbolized his thoughts... he used eternal fire to cancel out eternal cold, and in the end one is left with a neutral item. I am still wondering why he did that. He returned Xiaoyao's farewell gift to her, but didn't let her know he returned it. Its how he wants to end their friendship. You can't say it didn't exist, but he made it look like it didn't exist.
I can't believe in a year, they couldn't come up with a kick a$$ poster. It's ridiculous.
Actually, the drama content had all been created by the time S1 aired. So there really is nothing much they can do regarding new poster except reusing the images from the previous shoots and also the new episodic character poster stills that has not been released yet. They have no additional budget to get everyone back just to create new posters and marketing materials for a half series.
From what I understand, this drama was meant to be aired in full, before the new rule kicked in that no drama was supposed to be longer than 40 episodes. It was never their intention to split it into two seasons.
No maybe 2-6 episodes on July 8th, then 2 episodes a day or sometimes one episode on some days
Have to manage expectations. Rumors have it there will be a 3 ep drop and subsequent 1 ep a day. Not sure if they will have a break in the days but really hope not. Only 21 eps they will most likely try to stretch it as long as they can, but it won't end up airing during the Olympics because that is ratings killer. So in theory it should end by July 26.
I don't understand why people can't accept Jing because he's married this is historical drama not a modern one.My…
Your words are a little confusing. First you said you can't understand why people cannot accept Jing being married. And then you basically accused him and Xiaoyao of 'pure adultery'? First their courtship during his engagement which he fully intended to call off, if not for unforeseen circumstances in the story.
Tushan Hou and Yiying had sexual relations during her engagement.
After marriage Jing and Xiaoyao were no longer in contact.
Later in S2, after certain truth came to light, they were back in contact, but certainly not 'flirting' with each other as you are suggesting? How is this even the same thing?
It’s very tragic in the end. She would have been better off alone. Emotional and character growth wise, you…
I have put my other reply under spoiler but this part I can reply in the open.
I too have found that the concept of 'living and dying together' a rather antiquated idea since modern days most of us live for ourselves and cannot comprehend or encourage this mindset. However this is literature and drama, obviously the author wanted to make love more grand or epic than it is for the most of us in real life.
In real life, its unthinkable that a spouse should be expected to stop living their lives or die of grief just to 'prove' they really loved the other. If we know someone who is suffering, we will obviously encourage life.
However in some cases, there are people who really do pass away due to heartbreak. Its called Broken heart syndrome. Are we going to fault these people for being 'weak'? Just because we don't experience that, I don't think we should judge them for what they go through. Who are we to determine what is the right or wrong response?
I don't think Xiaoyao lost much if you mean with Xiangliu. Would he be able to overcome his love and loyalty for his foster father by taking the first step towards Xiaoyao? With him, she was never fully at ease and like with Cangxuan, she often had to pacify them with flattery or action. I don't really consider living a life constantly grovelling to another to be bliss.
It’s very tragic in the end. She would have been better off alone. Emotional and character growth wise, you…
Xiangliu lived his life not intending to fall for anyone, and he ended his life without choosing romantic love. But I won't say he had no character growth.
S1 we don't see Xiaoyao breaking out of her dependant attitude towards life as you have pointed out, but isn't it too soon to declare she had no growth at all just because you know she will get what she wants in the end? If Xiaoyao had accepted Cangxuan's company, just so that she won't end up being alone in life, now that is what I would consider wallowing in her need to not be alone. In the end, she broke her condition that 'as long as someone can offer me eternal company, I will choose him'. Because she rejected Cangxuan.
Also you said she chose companionship again in the end, but she lost it before. She actually tasted the pain of losing that companionship. But she still dared to take it up again. That is courage to me. There is no certainty in life, and who is to say she won't lose her love once again, but Xiaoyao still chose love. She could have said, "no I tasted loss before so no thanks, never again". Unless that is the kind of 'growth' you are talking about here. She should turn down love and say, I can live very well by myself, I don't need another person to share my life with.
She was willing to live out the rest of her lifespan of thousands of years alone on Mount Jade, so that she won't have to forget the pain of her love, I should think that is considered maturity and growth.
Since you referred to the novel, I assume you finished reading it. Surprised that was the conclusion you have come to then.
You mean who she ended up with?If it is, it'll be Tushan Jing.And to your 2nd question, no, XY never had any romantic…
Cangxuan had been Xiaoyao's number one, because he was her only 'relative' left and they made a promise or swore an oath to their elders to take care of each other. But I don't think Xiaoyao was romantically attracted to Cangxuan. The story did focus on familiar love, romantic love and friendship. She can live and die for family, that loyalty for her outweighs romance.
I did find Xiaoyao being rather ambiguous in her actions with him so I can't fully blame him for secretly wanting more. I don't know about others, but I have never put my head on the shoulders of my cousin, ever. hahahah
It’s very tragic in the end. She would have been better off alone. Emotional and character growth wise, you…
My shorter reply to this part about 'learn to love herself' is, does it mean Xiaoyao has to be alone to achieve this? I think she did learn to love herself, and managed to open her heart to love someone else and be loved in return.
Unless you are talking about some xianxia spiritual attainment like cutting off all ties to the mundane world and living by herself in some mountain like a hermit by herself = happiness and growth? I should think that is escapism and not actually healing? Makes me think of the characters in those wuxia stories where the people escape to live by themselves but are almost always carrying some kind of baggage all their lives lol
Xiaoyao being willing to open her heart and be ready for future pain and suffering, to me is character growth. What she wants is what everybody else yearns for, nothing wrong with that right? Its almost like saying, Xiaoyao didn't grow because in the end, she still wants love.
It’s very tragic in the end. She would have been better off alone. Emotional and character growth wise, you…
Yes! All of them have suffered trauma and carries heavy emotional baggage. That's why they are interesting and feels like well written characters. In the novel especially, Xiaoyao is almost like an alcoholic who had to use drinking to numb her feelings regarding her love/hate feelings for her mother, which the drama did not choose to show. She even self medicates to be able to sleep after her heartbreak. Maybe the drama didn't dare to show this too much because of censorship and all that.
Her fear of being abandoned was largely due to being 'on her own' when she was being tortured for 30 years. Nobody came to save her and she only had herself. For some they may become jaded and no longer believe in others, but I find it interesting that Xiaoyao is actually hopeful that it could be possible to be able to rely on someone else so fully 'never abandon'... How do I put it across.. its like she seen the darkest abyss but she decided to live her life to find a unicorn?
Its happy ending for Jing but not for others. Title 'Lost You Forever' refers to CangXuan losing Xiao Yao while…
TH also specifically said, The title was meant for Cangxuan. She knew there would be issues to write a story when the male lead doesn't get a 'happy ending', but she did it anyway. And everyone gets lovesickness and yearns for someone in the story.
It’s very tragic in the end. She would have been better off alone. Emotional and character growth wise, you…
I think in the story, everyone wanted love. Cangxuan had many women but he cared for none of them. Xiangliu was feared and disrespected by his own army but he never had a 'true friend' with any of them.
Xiaoyao's 'don't abandon me' was very extreme and I also found it a self-sabotaging condition to live her life, but I don't think that makes her 'toxic'. She had no one in life to show her what or how to 'love', since she was surrounded by 'hard hearted people'. who mixed personal interests with 'love'. She had to learn it on her own, through her own mistakes. She was actually was always acting against what she said because she was ultimately just a kind person who thinks she was hard hearted.
Drama will have its limitations to bring this across, especially when they have removed almost all her personal arc regarding how she would deal healthily with her emotional baggage, with was a great pity in the adaptation.
It’s very tragic in the end. She would have been better off alone. Emotional and character growth wise, you…
If you read the novel, you should be aware of her final choice towards the end. Is that not considered as growth? She was ready to be alone forever. Only because Tonghua loves Xiaoyao, she did a reversal and gave her everything she wanted. That does not mean Xiaoyao never grew just because she chose what she had always wanted. The journey to that same goal does not mean she didn't learn things along the way?
It’s very tragic in the end. She would have been better off alone. Emotional and character growth wise, you…
Well its true the drama has yet to show us any kind of significant character change on Xiaoyao's part in S1, but she will definitely mature greatly in her mindset after going through other ordeals. I hope what is left in the drama series will be able to bring that across and give her character enough justice.
It’s very tragic in the end. She would have been better off alone. Emotional and character growth wise, you…
I don't know if you read the novel but Xiaoyao has wonderful character growth, closure about her insecurities and did not remain stuck as you suggested, only "wanting a companion to spend the rest of her life with". I don't know if the drama will do enough justice to address that since there is only 21 episodes and they have removed alot of story arcs, but by the end, Xiaoyao has definitely grown and deserved all the happiness she got.
Its happy ending for Jing but not for others. Title 'Lost You Forever' refers to CangXuan losing Xiao Yao while…
Yang zi herself said in an interview there is no BE, everyone got what they wanted in the end. Xiaoyao ends up blissfully married to Jing, Xiangliu gets to die gloriously in his battle with his beloved foster father. Sorry I can't stand people spreading false information like the person above.
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So from what I understand, to you, Jing should completely break his engagement off first before he courts Xiaoyao? But they already started their relationship in Qingshui town, before he was forced to go home.
Also in the novel, he actually really had not much contact with Xiaoyao while he was working hard at it, which was what made her so angry with him. So are you saying Xiaoyao was the one who forced him to continue his courtship instead of putting it on pause?
I am here for a love story against all odds, so yes to me if they don't sleep together, their courtship is ok with me. The engagement is only a business contract between clans for mutual benefits. Why should life be on hold just for that?
Tushan Jing did not love Fangfeng Yiying, Xiaoyao was not a third party who broke them up. There is no emotional affair or adultery of any kind as far as I am concerned.
So I'm afraid I don't really see what is offending you so badly.
However I disagree with your question about why Xiaoyao could not elope with Jing.
Xiaoyao was not a selfish person, she wanted Jing to place her first but when it came down to it, she never wanted to force him to give up his world for her.
"If she truly desires him, why can't she answer the question?"
At this particular point of your questioning, she had no idea that Jing's son was not his, or that Fangfeng Yiying was really so evil and had actually committed adultery with Hou to trap Jing.
I think most people cannot seem to understand why it was so difficult to cancel that engagement, because in most dramas, we just see the leads running away into the sunset, but eloping would damage not only Xiaoyao's reputation and Jing did not want that. Both of them still thought there was a chance for a better solution, until it all became too late.
As for her headache when Xiangliu phrased his question to her, I interpreted it as Xiaoyao could marry Ye Shiqi but she cannot bring herself to say she want to be with Jing because at that moment, he was still married to someone else and a father to a young child. As someone who was abandoned, she was too kind to deprive a child of his father by making him run away with her? In the drama, they have made Xiaoyao mention the difference to herself when she said during her coma "How can the Tushan Chief be Ye Shiqi?"
Why I felt that her reply was going to be Jing, was also because of the desperation in Xiangliu's voice ( kudos to tjc) when I watched the S2 Trailer. To me, that was his last hope that she might say his name, because if she did, maybe he really would consider leaving it all behind with her.
But Xiangliu was unable to be the one to take that first step, to give up his world with Hong jiang and Chenrong army, just to have a chance to see if she will accept him or not.
As for Xiaoyao, she had always only remembered Xiangliu when she was lonely or heartbroken and needed company. For that, I feel bad for him and his unrequited love.
She had never looked at his 'video' again after she returned from her coma, nor did she look at it again after she got Jing back. Sadly, I think Xiangliu is aware of that too. I can't help thinking if he actually thought he had a chance with her, he might really be tempted to wander the world with her.
But Xiangliu is a proud demon in the end, and he wanted to end their 'friend but not a friend' relationship on his own terms. I don't see it as a selfless move, but actually a selfish move because he made the decision for Xiaoyao and I really hate that kind of 'noble idiocy' trope. Xiaoyao should be the one who gets to decide if she wanted to remember this friend or not. For Xiangliu it was all or nothing. I can understand it, but I don't like it. In fact, that epilogue which showed him making that figurine, symbolized his thoughts... he used eternal fire to cancel out eternal cold, and in the end one is left with a neutral item. I am still wondering why he did that. He returned Xiaoyao's farewell gift to her, but didn't let her know he returned it. Its how he wants to end their friendship. You can't say it didn't exist, but he made it look like it didn't exist.
From what I understand, this drama was meant to be aired in full, before the new rule kicked in that no drama was supposed to be longer than 40 episodes. It was never their intention to split it into two seasons.
That novel was beautiful and they managed to make it insufferable.
Rumors have it there will be a 3 ep drop and subsequent 1 ep a day.
Not sure if they will have a break in the days but really hope not.
Only 21 eps they will most likely try to stretch it as long as they can, but it won't end up airing during the Olympics because that is ratings killer. So in theory it should end by July 26.
First their courtship during his engagement which he fully intended to call off, if not for unforeseen circumstances in the story.
Tushan Hou and Yiying had sexual relations during her engagement.
After marriage Jing and Xiaoyao were no longer in contact.
Later in S2, after certain truth came to light, they were back in contact, but certainly not 'flirting' with each other as you are suggesting? How is this even the same thing?
I too have found that the concept of 'living and dying together' a rather antiquated idea since modern days most of us live for ourselves and cannot comprehend or encourage this mindset. However this is literature and drama, obviously the author wanted to make love more grand or epic than it is for the most of us in real life.
In real life, its unthinkable that a spouse should be expected to stop living their lives or die of grief just to 'prove' they really loved the other. If we know someone who is suffering, we will obviously encourage life.
However in some cases, there are people who really do pass away due to heartbreak. Its called Broken heart syndrome.
Are we going to fault these people for being 'weak'? Just because we don't experience that, I don't think we should judge them for what they go through. Who are we to determine what is the right or wrong response?
I don't think Xiaoyao lost much if you mean with Xiangliu. Would he be able to overcome his love and loyalty for his foster father by taking the first step towards Xiaoyao? With him, she was never fully at ease and like with Cangxuan, she often had to pacify them with flattery or action. I don't really consider living a life constantly grovelling to another to be bliss.
S1 we don't see Xiaoyao breaking out of her dependant attitude towards life as you have pointed out, but isn't it too soon to declare she had no growth at all just because you know she will get what she wants in the end? If Xiaoyao had accepted Cangxuan's company, just so that she won't end up being alone in life, now that is what I would consider wallowing in her need to not be alone. In the end, she broke her condition that 'as long as someone can offer me eternal company, I will choose him'. Because she rejected Cangxuan.
Also you said she chose companionship again in the end, but she lost it before. She actually tasted the pain of losing that companionship. But she still dared to take it up again. That is courage to me. There is no certainty in life, and who is to say she won't lose her love once again, but Xiaoyao still chose love. She could have said, "no I tasted loss before so no thanks, never again". Unless that is the kind of 'growth' you are talking about here. She should turn down love and say, I can live very well by myself, I don't need another person to share my life with.
She was willing to live out the rest of her lifespan of thousands of years alone on Mount Jade, so that she won't have to forget the pain of her love, I should think that is considered maturity and growth.
Since you referred to the novel, I assume you finished reading it. Surprised that was the conclusion you have come to then.
But I don't think Xiaoyao was romantically attracted to Cangxuan.
The story did focus on familiar love, romantic love and friendship. She can live and die for family, that loyalty for her outweighs romance.
I did find Xiaoyao being rather ambiguous in her actions with him so I can't fully blame him for secretly wanting more. I don't know about others, but I have never put my head on the shoulders of my cousin, ever. hahahah
Unless you are talking about some xianxia spiritual attainment like cutting off all ties to the mundane world and living by herself in some mountain like a hermit by herself = happiness and growth?
I should think that is escapism and not actually healing? Makes me think of the characters in those wuxia stories where the people escape to live by themselves but are almost always carrying some kind of baggage all their lives lol
Xiaoyao being willing to open her heart and be ready for future pain and suffering, to me is character growth. What she wants is what everybody else yearns for, nothing wrong with that right? Its almost like saying, Xiaoyao didn't grow because in the end, she still wants love.
Her fear of being abandoned was largely due to being 'on her own' when she was being tortured for 30 years. Nobody came to save her and she only had herself. For some they may become jaded and no longer believe in others, but I find it interesting that Xiaoyao is actually hopeful that it could be possible to be able to rely on someone else so fully 'never abandon'...
How do I put it across.. its like she seen the darkest abyss but she decided to live her life to find a unicorn?
Cangxuan had many women but he cared for none of them.
Xiangliu was feared and disrespected by his own army but he never had a 'true friend' with any of them.
Xiaoyao's 'don't abandon me' was very extreme and I also found it a self-sabotaging condition to live her life, but I don't think that makes her 'toxic'. She had no one in life to show her what or how to 'love', since she was surrounded by 'hard hearted people'. who mixed personal interests with 'love'. She had to learn it on her own, through her own mistakes. She was actually was always acting against what she said because she was ultimately just a kind person who thinks she was hard hearted.
Drama will have its limitations to bring this across, especially when they have removed almost all her personal arc regarding how she would deal healthily with her emotional baggage, with was a great pity in the adaptation.
Only because Tonghua loves Xiaoyao, she did a reversal and gave her everything she wanted. That does not mean Xiaoyao never grew just because she chose what she had always wanted. The journey to that same goal does not mean she didn't learn things along the way?