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I'm always in awe of BTS. Not just by their supreme artist talents and hard working attitudes, but also their willingness to constantly learn and improve even in areas outside the Arts.

And I'm thankful that they think about Armies in the work they do. These are multi millionaries, but they consciensely remained humble and relatable to Armies. Sometimes I even felt 'guilty' when they'd apologize to Armies when they thought they did not do well that day.

I wish them continuous success. God Bless them.

No, I'm putting a pause on certain things, so I have no reviews to share at the moment. Happy new year.

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Been reading past postings, Bright has a pretty good MDL page. Tons of people contributing comments SUSU BRIGHT FANS!!! SUSU BRIGHT!!!

Hi Penlemon.

Thank you for your nice and comforting message, and thanks for sharing you views, as well as your information.

I actually understand why Kechigu was upset. But it did not seem like there could be any healthy discussions at the time with both of us irritated and unable to comminucate in a style that the other can accept.

I've started following Win around 1 or 2 months ago, and the quality I felt was that he's kind. From what I'm hearing from you now helps to reinforce that.

And yes, my source of information is limited and it's highly likely I don't have enough information to see the bigger picture.

It's good that you explained to me Win's charity involvent, and I'm glad you gave me your perspective of his holiday ig posts. Those and videos were the ones that triggered me. And I can see, from your view point, how they might be work related? The concern is that non-essential travelling abroad during the second wave of covid contributes to the risk of spreading covid globally, and put additional stress on the health care system and economy. It's nice that he donates to the hospitals during the pandemic, however, his actions 'voids' it.

Thank you for spending the time and effort writing your comments. I think that's probably something that hasn't been built/developed yet in Win's MDL profile - detailed, non superficial, informative comments.
The next person visiting with doubts like I do, will have your references, and possibly more, to fall back on.

Yes, I agree with you Win's still young and learning. And I'm happy for Win seeing you supporting him warmly. Reading from your comments, it seems his heart is in the right place, which is important.
There were adults with him then, so it seems to me he waa not getting proper advices from the adults/professional around him, hence the concerns I, and probably not just myself, have.

There are a few things still lingering in my head, but I won't discuss them for now. The direction of this conversation is positive, I won't spoil it.

It's in the afternoon in my end, so Good Afternoon :-)

I'm uncertain about what you have come to 'know what this is all about', as well as the 'advice', btw ditto though ;-)

However, when I like someone, I would feel upset when I hear others saying things about them that I don't agree with. So I understand where your animosities are coming from.
But its good to try to be objective as well.

Regarding Tu not being there, I commented that before in other pages saying GMM was not promoting her as much.
There are qualities about Win that I like, and that hasn't change. Hence, I'm confused as to what you mean by 'magically again'.
There are other qualities I've found recently that disappoints and unacceptable But I will agree to disagree with you regarding those.

You still have not been able to show any justifications for Win's actions. By diverting the attention to something not comparable, doesn't defend the fact of the original inappropriate action.

And yes, all hopes that 2021 will be a better year. The person showing dislike doesn't seem to be me in this case ;-)

I unfollowed Win couple of days ago already. But don't see why I cannot visit any public pages in MDL. I keep getting your notifications though.
All the best :-)

I respect your views. It's good that Win has supports. And I'm glad that he brings you happiness.

As for your request to respond to the F4 outing, my reply would be that it's not a personal vacation abroad during the second wave of covid. I believe the company gave them that outing.? It's part of all the actors and staff's, professional responsibilty, as much as an advertisment for F4 as is a work 'vacation'. Personal vacations is under one's control, professional 'vacations/advertisment' is harder to reject doing if the company requests you to. The fault on this one lies on the company, not Win or others or staffs.

I believe that Win is kind hearted, and I've stated that as well as his help to the floodings in the Philipines before already. And yes, it is very commendable of his charitable work. I applaud him for that.

I have already stopped following his MDL page and others. I'm here responding now because I got your notifications.

Take care Kechigu.

I'm actually glad seeing you and Lavendova supporting Win. This speaks well for Win.

Kechigu, I think you read my reply to Lavendova as though I was criticizing her for feeling sad when Win's sad. I wasn't. I was telling her my own story because of that commonality.

Was my comment regarding Win called for? It was.
Was I tainting his image? I most certainly wasn't.

I believe Win is innately kindhearted and that's one of the reasons I became his fan.
It was up until 2 days ago that I find I can no longer support his actions.

For him to go on personal nonessential travellings and posting expensive vacation resorts in the middle of the global second wave of covid and in the middle of a global economic crises is a concern. This health and financial crises knows no boundaries between countries.

However, to his defence, I do think the people/adults/professionals around him did not give him proper advise here.

Does he deserve a rest from his hard work? Yes, everyone does. Does he deserve to spent quality time with his family for Christmas and New Years? Yes, everyone does.
Could he have rested over the holidays with his family differently? Yes he could have.

If Win is the kind hearted person I believe he is, and I still believe that, I think he'll understand that:
There're millions of people now who are overworked, exhausted, scared to go to work, but they cannot rest or in all conscience could not rest, because of the pandemic. One important example are all the frontline workers;
There are millions of people who are unemployed now due to covid, and don't even have certainty for basic needs;
The idea of Christmas gatherings with family and friends are not even conceivable this year due to covid deaths, illness, lockdowns, etc.

Kechigue, even though I no longer follow Win's pages, I'm neither his hater nor his anti-fan. I'm just not a fan anymore. That's all.
I feel neither animosity towards Win nor to his fans.

Take care, and happy new year.

I LOVE CM. It's so sweet. I love how the charactors show so much considerations to one another. One of the best BLs in 2020 in my books!

Regarding the China-HK issues, I initially commented on the news reports and articles, but they are very complex and I'm not sure I am competent enough to comment anymore so I deleted it.
But its definitely far from just a police brutality concern. You have to look at many other things like: how HK was being taken away from China in 1800s due to the opium war, when the British influxed opiums into the Chinese. HK was officially returened to China in 1997; The concept of communism; Current foreign interferance regarding HK; Rise of China's technology and economic power. Etc, etc, etc.

We don't have to like the same actor. But I think discussions are good to see other's point of views

I think maybe what really upset you mainly are the racial, social, etc, inequalities in Thai's entertainment industry and society. Instead of specific actors/actresses.

I welcome discussing issues with you anytime.

Take care

Hm, I'm not sure. It's different from both 2003 and 2017. The korean style has a different feel than the two Japanese ones. If I were to rank them, I'd say I like 2003 the most, then 2017, then 2011. Not sure if this helped answer your question.

Regarding Bright apologizing, I think it's basically damage control, for his ignorance on China's sovereignty matters.
Sovereignty matters are serious matters and should never be taken lightly. Wars can start there.
Him being ignorant of the issues doesn't mean he has a political stand on the issues. It just means he offended people without knowing any better.
Bright is a popular celebrity, but he's not a powerful person. He's an employee earning a salary.
The Chinese fan base is a large revenue source for the stake holders. If Bright looses this huge fan base, the stakeholders looses huge profits.
So when the Chinese fans felt upset by Bright's carelessness regarding Taiwan and HK, my guess is somebody told Bright to apologize and Bright toed the line. It's more about damage control in business, than about personal political stands.
To Bright, it's probably a misunderstanding, however, this misunderstanding stems from his ignorance of a serious issue that has serious consequences.
If Bright did not apologize, I can imagine it negatively affecting his career.

Bright is not a powerful person. At least not yet. He has no backing from powerful authorities. I'll give you an example of what I mean. There's a Korean kpop boygroup called BTS. They also had a 'misunderstanding' with their Chinese fans this year, and they lost endorsements, product imports, contracts, etc, as a result. However, BTS is highly valued, like a national treasure, in Korea. What ended up happening, in a simplified version of the event, was Korea's foreign minister confronted China on this issue, and China's foreign minister responded saying there's no change in the countries' peaceful relationship. Bright doesn't have such levels of backings.

Bright apologizing doesn't imply that he supports or not support the issues regarding HK and the free world. It has no implication of his personal opinions. His personal opinion is pretty irrelevant in this case.

In certain ways, his apology is actually him being reprimanded.

I'll need more time to type up my views on th China-HK matter. I'll send this part off for now. Take care Reinee.

I believe so. They broke up I think around April 2020.

Yes, I'm aware. But it's unfortunate that my comment was perceived as bringing him down as I have no malicious intentions at all. Take care and Happy New Year

Happy New Year Reinee :-)

Reinee, I'm certain there are people in the MDL community who share your views, hence please do not feel you are alone on these issues. However, you are in Bright's profile page where most of Bright's fans visits, hence you will find people feeling upset about your comments.

It seems you are very passionate about the Thai protest, BLM, and China-HK issues, unjust violences. I'm thinking it's probably primarily these issues that are bothering you rather than specific actors/actresses? I'll try to state my points without triggering you even more as best as I can.

Regarding Tay, he's not my bias so I don't follow his news. I'll go by what you say about him. It's very brave of Tay to publically support the protesters. As far as I read from the news, protestors and supporters have been jailed or reprimended someways. I'm aware that a Thai rapper was jailed and a Thai actress lost some of her projects/contracts due to their involvement of the protest. I ask myself, if I'm Thai, will I join the protestors to fight for equality in this climate? I don't think I'll have the courage to answer either way.

Regarding BLM, Bright's apology to China and China-HK issues, I feel you are jumbling up issues that are not comparible.

BLM is a Human Right's issues. Bright's apology to China I see it more as B toeing the line than his personal political stand. The China-HK issues are very complex, and it should not categorise the same way as BLM.

For Bright to have a stand on BLM doesn't mean he has to have any opinions on other matters be them political or social or financial, etc.
B's stand on BLM and his responds, or lack there of, regarding China-HK and Thailand should not be taken as related.

I'll type about his apology and China-HK, it'll be a long comment and I'll need some time. So I'll send this one first. I'll follow up the rest in a moment.

TBH, and I think this comment will offend some Win fans, and I'm aware that I'm in Win's profile page where mostly Win's fans visit. So I'll appologize now, ahead of time. Please understand that these are just my personal opinions.

I unfollowed Win just earlier today. There are qualities I like about Win and I became a fan. But recently, I'm finding some of his other qualities difficult to accept.

In his IG postings the past few days, you see him travelling with his family this holiday despite global warnings against nonessential travellings during the pandemic. I find that difficult to accept. Many people have died or fallen ill due to covid. To give you a perspective where I'm coming from, multiple of our government officials here in my country were reprimended and had to resign because they vacation travelled this holiday, which is non-essential.

He posts his current luxurious vacation, expensive christmas macroons, etc, I find that very insensitive given what a lot of people are going through right now: The global unemployed rate is record high. Many people lost so much financially due to the pandemic. The pandemic has brought a lot of people below the poverty line globally. And governments all over the world are in massive debts trying to help this financial crises of their people. These debts will take YEARS to pay off, mainly through taxes. As far as I can see, tax payers will have less spare money for years to come. Win's recent postings seems so detached, even though news regarding these crisis are reported daily for months now.

There's no expectations for Win, or anyone, to openly show empathy or sympathy. However, one can still show considerations and sensitivity to them. Going on expensive vacations abroad now and posting travelling pictures during the second wave of the pandemic is really inconsiderate.

To Win's defense, I think he's innately a very kind hearted person. Just by how he offered to help the Filipinos during the flood (? I think it's a flood), I really liked Win for that. And as far as I know, Win initiated it spontaniously during BW's Phillippine interview. Win also automatically cries when he hears his fans are suffering. So I honestly believe he is innately kind hearted.

Also, Win is only 21 (?) years old, so maybe he's not old enough to understand the seriousness of these issues? But the people/adults/professionals around him should know better, and should have given him proper advises

Vermouth, If one's decision on being his fan or not depends on his sexual preference, that'll just mean sexual discrimination.
Any judgemental conversations or negative gossips or others based on whether he's gay or not, also means discrimination
It's not a value system anyone should happily adopt at this day and age.
Happy New Year btw. Take care.

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