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You can go back into the past and change it according to modern physics. The past is not unalterable, and some of you might know other sci-fi stories that incorporate things like the “butterfly effect”, where a cascading series of events occurs from altering one thing in the past. Jae Woo could go back and change the future, and if he has new knowledge that can help him alter the past in a way that would save Ji Hoon and himself that is quite possible. He doesn’t have to repeat an endless 15 year loop. This makes the ending somewhat unnecessarily tragic. I think, though, that they want to have their own brand of physics for this series that allows this impossible scenario to happen. And how does he even travel in time - there is absolutely no explanation. This series has very little science and I’m willing to just take it as a fairy tale with its own rules and logic, but one that seems to want to be tragic for tragedy’s sake. As I said before, Jae Woo could go back in time with the knowledge he has and save Ji Hoon like using a gun to kill the killer (and please take a fake id and some money this time just to create a plausible story for us).

I love the strong acting and most of the fairy tale story was quite moving and wonderful. It’s just sad when it didn’t have to be, unless you believe you need to end the story on a tragic note. I guess that’s what they wanted and the endless loop of Jae Woo traveling in time is just weird to contemplate. He is just going to reintroduce himself, stalk Ji Hoon, get him to fall in love with him, and then just let him die all over again. This is just a tragic ending worse than a death that just occurs once. Jae Woo can’t even learn to accept the death of Ji Hoon and move on with his life. It’s just perverse this way and a very unhappy fairy tale that no one would enjoy reading.

But why can’t Jae Woo alter things so that he can actually save Ji Hoon? This seems quite possible. Who knows how he even travels back in time? What weird mechanism causes this to take place? I know they wrote this into reality but it doesn’t make much sense.

As a ridiculous idea he needs to kidnap the kid and prevent him from getting killed or at least tell that stupid kid to stop wandering the streets at night like a frickin moron. Or he could kill the killer with a gun the next time instead of using a knife.

This is an endless tragedy the way they wrote it. It would have been better to have it end with just one visit to the past where there would be one finalized tragedy. The way they did it makes little sense. It’s not sad or happy this way - it just invalidates everything that’s happened.

I know. I love this! This writing is fantastic. Everyone’s acting is incredible as well.

I thought this ending was actually really good. I think that even if everyone was pretty conniving they had their positive side as well, and I'm going to take that happy ending as something real. I've seen a million stories of couples in Hollywood and they act like this. Now Bew is not a good guy - no, he just plays one on tv. He's just a person with average morals, and in seeking revenge he just didn't care about how far he went. Like Gus said, Bew didn't even have any dignity when he was about to be exposed, and little concern or little remorse for what he had done. Yet he had a reason to go after all of them for their plotting against him. I think the ending is one where they just reveal Bew is just one of them and that he never deserved to be treated like some saint. None of them can claim the high ground, but none of them can look down on Bew either, so it is fine for Gus to approach Bew again at the end. This is realism, and it's really well written. This series is all about the natural side of people, and I think they got it right. In the end Bew realizes he has to get morally better, and Gus, who is no saint, is willing to give him another chance because they do have some connection. Maybe this is not the transcendent superhuman couple that we see in most BL's, but this is your average couple that we find everywhere - their relationship might end in divorce, or they might improve themselves and become that near perfect couple that others can admire. Who's to say? Both things are possible, but this series ended on a small note of hope after bludgeoning us with a lot of vile, creepy scenes full of loathsomeness.

For those who think Bew is totally bad, just remember he knew Toon would not expose him. That fight they were having was just, in a way, theater. It was like an expression of the hurt that everyone felt. They were all just venting, and no one was going to destroy Bew's career, and they probably knew they weren't going to destroy Bew's relationship with Gus. This was all very well done, and the writing is at a fantastic, superior level. I think all the acting, directing, and cinematography were superb as well. I still think this is about one of the best things I've ever seen in the BL universe, and is about the most original and ground-breaking series ever.

It’s just a small point but the amount of time that passed is important. I wish we could have known what that was. I don’t know that it helps being ambiguous here for artistic purposes. The natural interpretation is that they don’t meet again, like ever, but it is definitely possible he’s only talking a year in the future. The difference is between a closed or open ended drama and that is significant - at least for me, anyway.

Where are episodes 11 and 12??!! I've been robbed of my sleep medicine. I can't believe it - were they just too tired to finish it? I'm going to have to call the sleep police.

I am still conflicted about In's character. I understand not all of us are strong enough to overcome certain obstacles, but he was given every opportunity to understand himself over 20 years, and he lets the second chance he ever has at finding love to just pass him by, just like the first. I think he probably learned nothing in all that time. I was thinking some people are right, in a way, that he should have been left alone, but In is just going to suffer every day of his life by not taking that opportunity he let go. Yes Wang upset his little still pond of a life, but there is a deep turmoil that is underwater, preventing him from ever being happy. It's really a pathetic scene at the end when he just lurks outside as they are leaving, looking really depressed and unable to even wave goodbye. I think the main issue I had with him is that he also led Wang on the whole time. If he wasn't even close to committing he should never have led Wang on. Wang yells at him in the end, and I agree with him, that he shouldn't have given him all the signs that he was interested in him - you can see it from the beginning when he just stares at Wang like someone that was smitten. I really have little sympathy for him because of that, not because he was depressed, and self-loathing. He really is an unpleasant character and seems to have little understanding of the harm he causes others.

I love the depiction of Wang and his strident honesty. I think he was right and wise giving up on In at that time, but I have no idea why he doesn't ever give him a chance months or years later. Even as I said In is not a pleasant character, I never understood the finality of Wang's decision to never seek him out. He could have come over some time when his mom wasn't there, and when he might even have been financially independent of her, and tried again. I guess he moved on and found someone else, perhaps someone that was not so troubled? It would have been nice to know something about this, because I felt there was no clear resolution at the end of this series. I also believe Wang is easily strong enough to get away from his mother. Her victory in this drama was a Pyrrhic victory, and would only embolden Wang to get away from her all the faster. His mother is not totally cruel as many think on here, and I believe her superficial prattle is just a mask for her own suffering. She does try to do things for Wang, and she needs him. I think that's what Wang is talking about when he goes to her and leaves In. In a way, he is the adult and she's the child. I think in some ways both of them know it even if she tries to bully him into doing whatever she wants.

I think this was a series with really complex and interesting characters that you could just analyze like real people. I hope I didn't put too many people to sleep with this little essay. I just thought I'd write my views on how I perceived these characters which was a little different than a lot of people on here.

Huh, the rating dropped pretty far down. It’s actually closer to what I think this series should be at but it really doesn’t make sense unless a whole bunch of people started giving it 1’s and 2’s. There were just already too many ratings for it to drop so much unless the new people rating this just gave it super low scores. Who knows, though. The rating system has always been weird. For the record, the rating was even rising till today so the change was very quick.

I agree that's what happened. I just thought it could have been explained a little bit better. It's just sort of a slightly loose end to the plot, but I understand the screenwriter wanted us to connect the dots here. I was thinking In is just a person that is petrified by the idea of coming out, and we didn't understand that going in to this, but he's to blame for leading Wang on, and Wang definitely felt he was making an advance of some kind. I think In should never have let poor Wang on if he wasn't going to come close to committing.

I felt that was another thing that was missing. Wang had so much dialogue and we knew everything about where he was at. I wish In could have expressed something in return. It would at least have calmed Wang down - he was just letting Wang get more and more heated till he had to almost fight him off. It would also have supported the closed ending better if he explained himself.

I just don't understand why In and Wang couldn't try again to make this work later. That's the only thing I don't like about the ending. Is Wang certain that In can't change? Why don't they ever contact each other? I don't know what time frame they are talking about when Wang says he never went back to see In again, but I don't think it's portrayed at the end that there was no possibility of a relationship, especially after the two hug. I am thinking of some silver lining for this show. In addition, Wang, at least, could find some other person to have a relationship with, and seek out his own happiness.

But overalll, this is an incredible and deeply moving show that is well worth watching.

There was no reason to set this drama in another universe. This should just have been a regular BL set without using that plot device. Even in the last episode we have to wonder about things like how things are going in that other universe and supposedly Puen dreams about how they are doing? No he can't, because that wasn't set up in the rules, but no one ever cared about the rules in this production team. What was that supposed to be? Divine intervention? And why doesn't Puen even care about what happened to his friends in the other universe that he will never see again? I mean he doesn't even shed a tear or show the slightest bit of emotion at the permanent loss of those people who he formed a seemingly deep connection with. It's not just they couldn't get the rules for the different universes right, they can't ever get the emotions right for the characters. If people are separated from their loved ones you should show them feeling sad over the loss.

I like the happy ending, and the kiss of the ML's was well done, but weren't people turned off by the product placement at the very end when they are talking about getting married? That part with the lay's potato chips while they are discussing their possible marriage was totally inappropriate - even for the last few seconds of the show they couldn't help themselves, ugh!

This series is just incredibly sloppy. I get people like the chemistry between the leads, but there has to be something more to a series than this. Would people just be happy with a bunch of kisses from the leads with some music in the background? The plot doesn't even make sense even if you took the whole switching universes out of it. But at the end of the day, if you liked it, and it made you happy in some way, I'm glad for you. I just hope people don't think this is a good example of how BL's should be done. It is nowhere near being that.

That was stark. I can't believe In was such a coward, and I was hoping he would change. It's like Wang says, though, some people don't change and it's a tough life lesson. I really love Wang's character. He is full of life and is truly a warrior that is honest with his feelings in a world full of deception. He lives in the light while In lives in the shadows. In feels like a passive-aggressive villain who has killed one person with his deception and probably has scarred another person for life. I've little to no sympathy for his character even if he's courteous and a gentleman. What good did it do anyone? His conformance with societal norms were just a cop out, and he really just wanted a comfortable life in the moment rather than to sacrifice anything for the future. I can speak to this because as an Asian gay man that had a similar experience, you definitely can choose to make those hard choices. In could have had a relationship with Wang even if his mom did not approve, or other people around him didn't approve. He might even have to cut them off at some point, if necessary, but it could be done. It's something I had to do, but I understand some people are just too fragile. For the most part I don't excuse it, because even if you are that weak you could seek therapy. He just didn't even make an attempt.

I have no idea what level of pain he caused Wang, but my only hope is that Wang realizes that there are thousands of potential partners out there and will seek someone out. I feel hopeful that he can because he really is very, very strong and intelligent so he definitely has the potential to meet someone else. His character is like a beacon of light, a person that is vibrant with life that could help so many people by his example. I really enjoyed this series because of him. The other two characters are just there as a foil for his wonderful character. The writing in this series was brilliant, and the cinematography and acting just really brought it out to its best effect. I think this is a masterpiece for this genre, even if it really isn't a BL. This is more a Thai gay drama, and it's probably the best one out there.

I watch BL's for the happy endings, but I don't think of this as a BL. I'm just happy with the great writing. I don't know what Bew's motives were, but I hope he did that to save their relationship. I'm rooting for that ending, but Bew isn't a purely innocent character by any means.

This show was harmless fun. It's not great in any way, but the makeout scenes are definitely among the best. I had no problem with the kidnapping scene, because it was meant to show how devoted the two ML's are to each other, and as I said before, we hardly have any BL's where couples go through struggles together - it's always about the chase, and the break-ups. Was the kidnapping executed well? I'm sure we can all agree that it wasn't. But it wasn't a bad plot device. Overall I really enjoyed the first part of this series. This series is actually a move in the right direction.

This is the highest rated of any BL, including all other countries, but that is an ongoing rating. The other shows were completed and that is like their final rating. Triage is the highest rated at 8.6, and then 1000 Stars for shows that have completed. The Eclipse could drop a little bit, or gain a little, but there probably won't be much of a change because there are already over 2000 people that rated the show. If it stays at 8.7 it will definitely be the highest rated show, so just wait till after it completes to get your answer.

Bad Buddy made it to 8.6 only. Believe me, there was a huge comment section on there and Benedictan used to compile the numbers every week. It dropped from 8.6 back to 8.5 when the series ended.

The other commenters down below are wrong. Not Me actually had an 8.9 but that was only in its first or second week. This is an initial blip that occurs even with really bad shows. What is surprising with The Eclipse is the ratings are going up while the series is in the middle of its run. This really means it's more real. Also, there are a relatively large number of people who have rated the show already so it won't drop too much after the series is over - which normally happens [sometimes not, and the series gains .1].

Did they add some things? Like the last two episodes were cut and I wondered if they were going to change anything.

Did they add some things? Like the last two episodes were cut and I wondered if they were going to change anything.

Are there any changes? Why is it re-airing?