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It's not just about their sexuality. It's just ignoring that aspect of it that is wrong. You don't have to take such offense. This is a dating show after all. If it was a straight show with virtually no sexuality depicted in it, you would probably find it boring. BTW even I don't focus on Chang Min, and there is no reason to assume that from my statement.

Ok, I'm piecing together from other people's comments why this show doesn't work. It would have been possible to have an interesting show even if it was only a week long, but for the fact that Korean social etiquette prevents people from moving that fast. And even as bland and asexual as this show was, it's still too racy for the homophobic SK audience. Chang Min is the star of the show because he was already famous with his Youtube show, and because he would be considered the most handsome by South Korean standards - tall, slim, athletic, light-skinned, with cute, boyish features. Unfortunately, he's toned down his real personality which is far more playful and sexual for the Chang Min in this show that most of us have a hard time relating to. Everyone is trying to get together with Chang Min and one other person [who is also mostly interested in Chang Min], so we have never gotten anywhere.

Hopefully, in the future, there will be a dating show that has more time to allow people to get to know each other and loosen up [in Korean time], and allows people to be a little bit more sexual, because this is just too rated G to be that interesting. Gay men are obviously sexual and infantilizing them is just wrong and makes for a very boring show.

I totally agree. He's much more fun in this. I wonder if he was told to play his character like that in the show, like really stiff and unemotional

Thanks! This is more fun than most of this show, lol

What youtube channel? Do you have a link for this? Just curious what he's like outside of this show

Another episode where Minato can't get out the words to confess his feelings for Sakuma. I was hoping Sakuma had died from incredibly deadly heatstroke, induced by drinking too much water, apparently, but he miraculously survives to inflict more pain on us. Just when things can't get worse with the super bland love interest Sakuma, a new rising star suddenly appears to unseat him from his prized position in this drama. Shu-sen has this malevolent level of insipidness that is almost aggressive and dangerous feeling - that poor boy whom he was harassing with his ultra-boring discussion of Gaudi clearly sensed the danger and made his escape as fast as his little legs could carry him. Now Shu-sen, being at the pinnacle of asexual, uninspiring attractiveness has caught hold of two would be lovers. Who knows how? This is obviously an alternative universe where these things are perfectly natural. Who knows how Sakurako and Asuka could fall head over heels for someone who has no interest in human beings per se, unless they can give him CD's with documentaries of Gaudi, but I'm sure we'll find out soon enough. There's got to be an explanation for all of this - looking forward to it in the last three episodes.

It's a fun but nearly pointless show. As many have said, 1 week is too short a time to develop any kind of connection. There was obviously a pretty low budget. I also wonder if some of them could not take off from work for more than a week. They aren't professional actors and Koreans have very little vacation time. I think it's still fun for what it was, and maybe could be the precursor for a better series. It's like the germ of an idea for a better dating show in the future.

Does anyone know where to find the Manga for this? I came across this site but it only has about 3/4 of the entire work: https://manganato.com/manga-ok991419. The other links I find are only for the Japanese version.

Woops that link has Korean subs. Here's one with English https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8d5owl

You can watch it on Daily Motion. Here's a link https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8d49m4

I actually started watching on Gagaoolala but they are always 2 episodes behind.

I wish they would have dropped more episodes at once. I love this couple and am mesmerized by them because the acting is superlative, among the best in any BL. It’s just slow as hell this way. Things like Minato’s fixation on Sakuma should have been resolved decades ago, but we are waiting and waiting. But I think this show has a lot of merits and am willing to wait because, overall, this is a great show.

Why can't Minato just say, I want to date you, but I have to sort my feelings out for Sakuma first? It would also be considerate to give Shin some sort of timeline as to how long that might take. He shouldn't have left it completely indefinite like that. When he talks to Sakuma, earlier in the episode, he almost gets the words out, but then he delays it again because someone else needed to talk to Sakuma. Then Minato says it's no big deal, he can talk about this with Sensei anytime. No, it is a big deal, and you should take care of this right away because Shin shouldn't be left hanging like that. I think Minato is actually considerate and I'll chalk that up to poor writing which seems to be pretty common in this screenplay. The only thing I liked was the second rejection by Minato was more considerate than the first, and there is some progression, I guess, but this is pretty snail-like. This would be ok if this was like a hundred episodes, but it just doesn't work here.

Totally separate issue - what the hell was that guy talking about when he says you can see the birds of Sagrada Familia (the landmark church by Gaudi in Barcelona) easier from far away than close up? Huh? I'm a big fan of Gaudi and especially this particular building of his and I had no idea what he was talking about. I had to replay that part like 4 times because the translation passed by in like a milisecond, but it still didn't help after I read it.

This is true but we don't want to watch long therapy sessions on tv. They really should have mixed things up - like give us more of the side couple story than repeating the same old stuff over and over again. They could also have gone in to problems Shin and Minato have after they become a couple which could have been really interesting. They didn't have to settle for dragging this out.

I'm just really frustrated with this episode. I don't like these phony rejections of Minato's. There is no valid reason for them. He loves Shin and just get over Grandma Sakuma already - he's never been a convincing love interest. I get we sometimes have weird people we fall in love with, but this is supposed to be a crush that broke Minato's spirit and goes on for 10 years, over someone who is just a characterless goofball . At this point I need SOME reason why he likes that guy. I don't think any normal person would have trouble choosing Shin over Sakuma.

Am I the only one that doesn't understand him when Minato sees that he loves Shin and just can't go after him because he's a coward that runs away from his own feelings? Ok, he just diagnosed the problem so now it's time to confront these feelings instead of just giving up. And couldn't Shin just let him know that he shouldn't run away anymore instead of just throwing in the towel? I would have told Minato off. I would be like you're breaking my heart Minato and I'm not letting you get away with this lame answer you're giving me. I'm going to come back every day until you say yes, or we're going to talk through this until I get some sort of clear answer. I'm going to push you to see that old spinster Sakuma so you can get over him, and you have some clarity.

I hate these storylines where someone waits forever for a love interest who's not ready. I saw it first in Tess of the D'Urbervilles, and poor Tess gets herself killed because she let her lover separate from her for no valid reason. I also don't like BL's that inflict a lot of pain on the viewer because I watch BL's for their bubbly, uplifting moments. Twice now, Minato rejected Shin in a very painful way, and because of the great acting by Nishigaki, I can feel the pain of those rejections down to my bones, and I hate that feeling. I'm not here to watch BL's for this kind of visceral pain.

Please let this stop! I think 12 episodes is too long for this, though I can't get enough of Shin and Minato. I would have preferred some progression earlier on and 4 episodes of fluff (I'm greedy for fluff) to finish this off. I would even prefer having more of the storyline of the other side couple to help fill in the time rather than these awful scenes of rejection by Minato. The acting is still top notch, and a lot of the dialogue is done well, so I'm going to stick it out till the end - I also need a happy ending after having suffered through all this.

I know right! I thought I’d find someone else that saw that - how could you miss it? Isn’t it weird that he’s the most popular guy in the house? I never think of Ji Woo as being Mr. popular, lol

Loved this series.! That had to be about the best ending to a BL I've ever seen. Beautiful chemistry between the leads, and nearly perfect acting. Yin definitely improved enormously as an actor, and War has always been among the best. There are better plots, but virtually none that is executed as well as this. Definitely one of the best BL's of the year.

What I also love is that all the main characters were complex and very realistic, with all the flaws of normal people. Despite those flaws, we got a fairy-tale ending that feels more satisfying by being true to life.

Almost totally unrelated to this show, the gay reality dating show His Man has a character that looks very similar to Ji Woo, and happens to be around the same age.. His voice sounds the same and he happens to be a chef that owns his own restaurant. Just an interesting coincidence. Every time I see that person on the show I keep thinking of Ji Woo, even his mannerisms are pretty similar, including being pretty shy and reticent.

I found this series because a friend of mine really loved it, and I definitely feel the same way. I think it's just a matter of personal taste. There are no real fiery personalities here, and very little drama, but this series has a quiet tenderness to it that I really love. I like the personalities of both the leads, and I think Kaneda slowly developed into an equal partner to Yanase. He became his own Senpai, and took the lead in many situations. I don't think he remained just a helpless child-like character as many keep claiming on here - quite the opposite. He even stands up to Yanase's friend from Vancouver, and remarks at the end that he doesn't really want to be Yanase's junior forever. I found that both character's are really gentle, kind people and I really love that such nice people are portrayed in a tranquil drama, depicting their own quiet struggles to win the love of someone they feel very deeply about. And there is a passion there that is quite strong, and that is more effectively depicted by being more subtle than in most BL's I've watched.

I really like episode 9 despite the boxing, and how unrealistic it is for some amateur to beat a national champion at any sport. Ok, that was a weakness in the script, but let’s take the boxing as a metaphor – Vee would do anything, I mean anything to prove how much he loves Mark, and that is what finally brings Mark over to him. They could have done it some other way, but this was really more entertaining than most any other way possible. I really enjoyed how they piled it on- Vee gets very ill before boxing and so he even has a handicap. The other part of the metaphor is that with the strength of his love for Mark, Vee is able to overcome insurmountable odds to win his love. That’s why he wins the boxing match, not the stupid advice his friends give him. I think it wasn’t really done that badly – just with a little tweaking this could have been superlative – I would have just had him reminisce about how much he loves Mark, and the pain of losing him, especially those cutting words Mark said to him, to provide all the strength he would need – like the strength of a mother protecting its baby.

The rest of the episode was very enjoyable. Vee’s father shows some initial reluctance to accept Mark, but makes a very smooth transition to treating him like family, and I thought that whole setting was very heart-warming. The father basically invites Mark to come as often as he wants – I know this is becoming more standard in BL’s, but isn’t this father more life-like and believable? I really think he’s a superb actor with a lot of gravitas, and a very sincere, glowing emotiveness.

There were so many romantic scenes with Mark and Vee this episode and no one has to worry anymore about excessive angst in this series – it’s all finally balanced out. Overall, I believe it’s one of the best BL’s this year, and proves a great BL can be made with nothing but tropes and cliches if you have great acting and a story that meshes nearly perfectly with every scene.

I really liked this episode. I think at the end, Minato looked so radiant while Shin asks him to be his boyfriend. Shin, is, as always, very forthright and tells Minato how he has loved him since he was a young boy without the slightest reservation. There seemed to be so many emotions running through Minato's head at the moment, like a strong passion submerged under a very placid demeanor mixed with his usual trepidation. There seemed to be a beautiful tenderness as well, like someone who wanted to take care of this innocent boy, who was like the helpless child he saved 10 years before.

I think there is a complex dynamic between Shin who is really still immature, but who is more aware of his feelings than Minato, and Minato who struggles to understand himself but is still more mature than Shin in most ways. Both are very passionate and deeply in love with each other, but express it in different ways, and I feel Minato has slowly become far more open to Shin than in previous episodes, and tries to tell Shin that he cares for him by apologizing that he forgot about his promise to him. This is a slow burn romance but it's being done right with a steady, gradual progression, and I'm enjoying the increasing intensity of this burning hot passion which needs no physical intimacy to convey its meaning.