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Me too, kind of tbh. I'm all for team original Chaebols, lol. We could lose the domineering mother but otherwise I don't mind the ones left.

Tae Oh not only doesn't have power, he's also going to find himself on the outside of the Kang Oh circle. So he can't possibly follow his original plan now, surely.

After that bonus clip, surely there's no other explanation!

In smaller things, I also hope that Seung-Ju doesn't turn out to be illegitimate after all. It wouldn't necessarily change the relationship between him and Yi-Soo but let them be brothers. Also, not to make it about myself, but I don't have the bandwidth for any more illegitimacy and inheritance shenanigans at the moment.

I did cackle at the nerve though, ngl. Like yes, In Ha, poor you. Your half-brother (who was an awful person, admittedly) is dead, Tae Oh could go to prison forever for that but poor you for your failed ambitions. The true victim in all of this.

Yes! Did you see the chairman is giving Hye Won a mission too now.

I also want Hye Won to turn out to be the biggest manipulator of the trio. I will be deeply offended if at the end she's just a bland poor girl who only wanted security in life and was willing to marry a someone for it.

I'd rather Tae Oh not marry Hee Ju if those are his motives, lol. She might as well marry Huichan who also wants something out of it. Even though I find Huichan deeply suspicious.

It should be interesting to see how his motives/goals change after his stay in prison. You would assume the business politics takes a back seat, no?

She's never in any of the previews which always raises questions for me if we're building up her importance in the plot just because we like her, lol.

Oh there is a brief glimpse of her at the dinner table like always. I found it interesting from an artistic point of view (and very heavy handed): Hee Ju, In Ju's widow and the second son are all wearing white and sitting on one side of the table. In Ha and Hye Won are dressed in black sitting on the other side. Chairman Versace (thank you whoever came up with that!) is the only one in colour, sitting at the head like a devil of some sort.

Visually, that's an interesting scene: Hee Ju, In Ju's widow and the second son on one side of the table in white and Hye Won/In Ha on the other in black.

What's your read on Hye Won?

We know that there isn't really any love between her and In Ha. Do we just go along with Hee Ju's assessment that she's cunning and only loves herself? Or when it comes down to it will she choose Tae Oh over In Ha this time?

I don't know if shes supposed to come off a victim or not, because while I have no doubt that In Ha is also manipulating her she is actively making the choice to date and marry him. Is her angle literally to put herself high enough that she can escape her mother?

I wasn't opposed to it before Episodes 5/6. But I have to admit I missed the detail about his crimes. I think greedy and maybe even playboy can be worked with to some extent.

But Huichan is very shifty. Theres's a reason he approached In Ju for help- they're cut from the same cloth. I get the conversation between the two of them about murder right before Tae Oh is attacked was a red herring but I'm keeping an eye on that one.

No waaaaaaay. They broke you too??!!
Lmao, I'm thinking of waiting a couple weeks before doing a quick binge now

That's my question for next week! Is Hye Won going to help Tae Oh through the murder rap even though it risks her position?
I'd assumed the betrayal would be a dramatic reveal with maniacal cackling like they can be but what if its that Hye Won just doesn't show up, lol.

Honestly, they might just be building up the Tae Oh/ Hye Won thing to set up your third act tragic twist. Either Hye Won is going to emerge as the big evil (doing heinous things, lol) or she'll become a victim to the big evil. Its very unlikely this ends in them being together after all this mess.

Instead of analysing things and theorising about what drives characters, I'm thinking the way to predict where this story is going is to look at what could happen to them. The characters aren't driving the plot, but their circumstances move them along the plot.

I have been questioning at which point does the absolute lack of explanation of character thoughts and motivations stops being a "mystery" that they'll slowly reveal to us and just becomes poor story telling. Because I'm kind of interested in watching how these people are going to implode their lives but it's not that much of an intrigue really, lol.

Same here, lol. I briefly considered watching one before work but decided that wasn't a good idea.

The one thing I am interested in knowing that no-one is really talking about is why meticulous planner Tae Oh suddenly decided now, 10 years later, right before the wedding is when he should make his move. Like whats the point? The 'love triangle' to this point has seemed as transactional as the 'bromance', no? I dunno, maybe I should enjoy the mess as I get it and not question motivations as much, it doesn't seem like we'll get many answers there.

I wasn't going to come on here until I'd had a chance to watch the episodes, but I couldn't help myself, lol. It looks like there haven't been any big deviations from what we were speculating.

Hye Won's relationship with both of them may have set it in motion, but even from the very little we knew of their "friendship" this was eventually going to happen. The cracks were starting to show from Episode 4. They're all going to destroy each other and I'm here for the mess.

True, and she does seem to have more of a presence in the family compared to the second son, I find, who is basically an extension of his mother.

There has been some tragic forrshadowing, but I hope we can avoid that. Ngl, I'm even open to seeing where it goes with that arranged engagement. The guy seems interested in her, so he's not bowing out of that. Everyone got distracted by the parking garage scene, but the scene where she went to meet him was pretty good too.

Eldest son also has a mistress apparently, from someone's translation of Tae Oh's plotting board, so could be her if not the wife, lol.

I'm also vaguely intrigued by the absolute lack of Hee Ju in all these different trailers/teasers etc. They show pretty much all the Kangs otherwise. Either she's genuinely not that important to the plot, perishes early (although I can't see why anyone would target her right now) or they don't want to hint at any role she plays later on.

Episode 8 also said that someone's heinous actions shock everyone.

We don't know who tho, lol.

Ooh, that's possible too. It kind of makes sense narratively, in a way he's responsible for his own impending downfall because he got sloppy and impulsive. And then he has to fight to survive after that point.

In Ha and Hye Won are too central to be one/both of the bodies in the opening scene though, aren't they? Because you could easily frame Tae Oh for their murder after that kind of fallout. That's a pretty good motive. But I guess it would be too soon to get rid of them at the halfway point. Who would Tae Oh be fighting then, the Kangs? Why?

Getting in a last minute theory before we (finally!) get episodes 5/6.

We've seen the trailers and have commented on how out of character (although do we know any of these characters really) and sloppy it seems to be for Tae Oh (and Hye Won) to be kissing in public after all their careful planning.

But what if he's being sloppy and messy because at that point (for whatever reason) he's actually gone off plan or is actively working on his own plan? And if hes deciding ten years later that now is the time to pursue Hye Won (who still seems to be down to marry In Ha) I'm seeing this backfiring majorly later on down the line.