Huh. Who was Goryas boyfriend tho? Kind of odd that the show made it explicitly clear that just because Gorya…
Kavin said it best in episode 10, "What's going on with Thyme and Gorya anyway? They were flirting and then they suddenly stopped seeing each other."
They were so close to crossing into bf/gf, but that take more than just feelings. They overcame his anger/violence/bullying when he closed the stadium. She saw that he could integrate into his life. And she made a big move to meet him half way - the cookies and going to his party. Lita would have only been a hiccup if it weren't for all the reality of their different circumstances slamming her in the face after the funeral.
It didn't land for you emotionally, but it hella worked for me. I absolutely *feel* the depth of Gorya's emotions and I love love love how they're portrayed with so much complexity, even though it has led a lot of commentors to feel like they don't see her caring enough.
ETA: they hadn't yet brought their relationship into the light. Lilili has mentioned it before, but all their sweet, emotionally vulnerable moments happened at night and we were on the verge of seeing those moments cross over into the daytime before Gorya pushed him away. 💔
I'm probably in the minority in that I can't wait for it to be over. I simply cannot wait for the whole story.…
😄 oh but watching week to week is so so so good too. It's just that I bet most people wish that it would go on longer, and I'm like "I need RESOLUTION!" lolol
It truly is so fantastic to live watch with all the viewers, and to take in comments and Twitter after each episode. I honestly think I would only get 1/10 of the meaning out of each episode if I weren't forced to contemplate each one for a week after it aired. 🙃
Huh. Who was Goryas boyfriend tho? Kind of odd that the show made it explicitly clear that just because Gorya…
I've been sitting with this for a bit and I don't think I'm with you on this one.
Thyme and Gorya very clearly have feelings for each other, and are exploring what that means in terms of what they mean to each other, but they have not crossed the boundary to "boyfriend/girlfriend". Thyme gave a wonderful speech at the Zoo acknowledging that even when he puts the label of 'girlfriend' on her, he knows it doesn't mean that it makes it's true.
They have a relationship and they mean things to each other in a romantic sense, but that doesn't mean they are "boyfriend/girlfriend". It has been awesome to watch their (very relatable) push-pull flirtation as they try to figure things out, and I've loved that Gorya has been able to be hesitant on going from "I have feelings" to "now I'm in a relationship I didn't ask for/don't want/am not ready for".
It's kind of funny to read your comment, since the implication is that you think Gorya is done dirty by the writers by not actively pursuing a relationship and vocally pronouncing her love for Thyme, whereas I feel like that is much less realistic to her character, and less realistic to her circumstances atm. It would be like giving her a "girlboss" shirt imo (basically, a nod to girl power, but no actual, situational awareness or meaning behind it).
Interesting to think about, but we see this one differently for sure.
She could also move there in like 10th grade or something
You seem to be assuming MynewAcc and my comment have something to do with passing judgment on minors working, which is an odd thing to read into it, and completely off the mark. Your main comment, to which MynewAcc initially responded, was asking for clarification about how high schools in Thailand work and whether 222 days would mean she's in 9th grade or not. No one but you decided it had anything to do with the morality of teenagers working.
......the amount of hate people are throwing at the SFL when all she's done is try to make it work with her own…
Also I can only think of 1 show where the sml got the girl if anyone is interested.... (spoiler lol) it's a kdrama called The King Loves. I'd love to know more if anyone has come across another
......the amount of hate people are throwing at the SFL when all she's done is try to make it work with her own…
Huh. Who was Goryas boyfriend tho? Kind of odd that the show made it explicitly clear that just because Gorya has feeling for Thyme, it doesn't mean she's ready for a relationship with him (which is awesome, healthy storytelling and I love it) and yet more than a few comments have decided that simply isn't the case. I wonder where this impulse comes from tbh
She could also move there in like 10th grade or something
The point seems to be that 222th day did not have to begin at the first day of 9th grade. If she moved in 10th grade, she would have been older.
I don't think the comment is suggesting that this is the case, only pointing out that 222th day doesn't have a lot of meaning if you don't know the starting point.
Minimum working age in Thailand is 15 yo. You can just simply google it tho.https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/thailand/family/living-with-teenagers/youth-employment#:~:text=Understand%20the%20laws%20affecting%20teenagers,those%20under%2018%20can%20work.
Minimum working age in Thailand is 15 yo. You can just simply google it tho.https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/thailand/family/living-with-teenagers/youth-employment#:~:text=Understand%20the%20laws%20affecting%20teenagers,those%20under%2018%20can%20work.
That scene has her taking gangsters seriously. There are the fake "no harrassing" signs up even.
It should be watched with the understanding that none of it is legitimate (and the humor is in how the naive Gorya reacts)
So about the violence that Gorya had to suffer through this episode, it was hard to watch and yet again, like…
Great comments
It is fascinating to think back on Ep1 and 2. To remember that MJ tried to talk Thyme out of the red card, in part, because Gorya is a girl and it seemed like it was taking things too far. Even though we had just watched Thyme beat the crap out of Phupha, violence against a young girl would have been much harder to take (for MJ AND for the audience). The show would have absolutely lost more than half the audience watching if Gorya had been attacked as brutally in Ep 1 as she was in Ep 10 or even episode 7 (for good reason - it would not have been "earned").
BUT the show has sucked us in by now. We want what's best for Gorya (and we don't want to see her hurt) but the show is also unflinching in its social commentary.
The violence has never been a backdrop, or character "flavor". It isn't simply set-up (as, I would argue, is the case in every other version of F4) and it isn't gratuitous.
The violence is intentional and NECESSARY. And, as such, it is also necessary that the violence takes us out of our comfort zone and forces us to reckon with it too.
I've seen lot of comments complimenting the thailand version and talk about how thailand version is the best out…
Curious, do you feel like Jandi trusting Junpyo was better narratively, or did you just prefer it personally?
The reason many of us talk about F4 being the best version is because it has more meaning and intention behind every action. I can discuss Gorya's actions for days (it's actually been 9 weeks already lolol) because there is so much worth discussing. Jandi and Junpyo? Well, not so much lol.
Yea im super confused if she knows that thyme has feelings for gorya and vice versa.
She definitely knows (because of the parking garage scene) but *when* she first knew and how much of her behavior towards Gorya was influenced is still unknown I think
As much as I'd like to see more episodes I feel like the pacing is just perfect. I binge watched a couple of boys…
I feel exactly the same way.
Even when a kdrama (usually 16 episodes) gets extended to 18-20, it often just leads to more skipable scenes and makes me sad it got extended. I would feel nervous if Thai dramas did the same thing (extend a drama cuz its popular not cuz the story demands it)
yall be like ‘they are focusing more on tight story telling and character development over romance’I don’t…
Ehh I think you've just missed a lot of comments about these things, not that they haven't happened/have only been discussed the way you mentioned.
For instance, your first point about Gorya being violent is something that *I* wrote up a specific post to discuss last week. It's a long time ago so not everyone will have seen it and it's a great topic to bring up again to keep discussing, but it isn't that no one talks about it (or, that they *wont* talk about it, as you have insinuated)
Feel free to say anything for any reason, but just letting you know that it's not that people aren't discussing them
They were so close to crossing into bf/gf, but that take more than just feelings. They overcame his anger/violence/bullying when he closed the stadium. She saw that he could integrate into his life. And she made a big move to meet him half way - the cookies and going to his party. Lita would have only been a hiccup if it weren't for all the reality of their different circumstances slamming her in the face after the funeral.
It didn't land for you emotionally, but it hella worked for me. I absolutely *feel* the depth of Gorya's emotions and I love love love how they're portrayed with so much complexity, even though it has led a lot of commentors to feel like they don't see her caring enough.
ETA: they hadn't yet brought their relationship into the light. Lilili has mentioned it before, but all their sweet, emotionally vulnerable moments happened at night and we were on the verge of seeing those moments cross over into the daytime before Gorya pushed him away. 💔
It truly is so fantastic to live watch with all the viewers, and to take in comments and Twitter after each episode. I honestly think I would only get 1/10 of the meaning out of each episode if I weren't forced to contemplate each one for a week after it aired. 🙃
Also, it will be nice to go back to being a little more productive in my day to day life when I don't obsess over F4 constantly lol
Thyme and Gorya very clearly have feelings for each other, and are exploring what that means in terms of what they mean to each other, but they have not crossed the boundary to "boyfriend/girlfriend". Thyme gave a wonderful speech at the Zoo acknowledging that even when he puts the label of 'girlfriend' on her, he knows it doesn't mean that it makes it's true.
They have a relationship and they mean things to each other in a romantic sense, but that doesn't mean they are "boyfriend/girlfriend". It has been awesome to watch their (very relatable) push-pull flirtation as they try to figure things out, and I've loved that Gorya has been able to be hesitant on going from "I have feelings" to "now I'm in a relationship I didn't ask for/don't want/am not ready for".
It's kind of funny to read your comment, since the implication is that you think Gorya is done dirty by the writers by not actively pursuing a relationship and vocally pronouncing her love for Thyme, whereas I feel like that is much less realistic to her character, and less realistic to her circumstances atm. It would be like giving her a "girlboss" shirt imo (basically, a nod to girl power, but no actual, situational awareness or meaning behind it).
Interesting to think about, but we see this one differently for sure.
I don't think the comment is suggesting that this is the case, only pointing out that 222th day doesn't have a lot of meaning if you don't know the starting point.
OP is free to correct me.
It should be watched with the understanding that none of it is legitimate (and the humor is in how the naive Gorya reacts)
Thyme though? He's not even on that scale.
It is fascinating to think back on Ep1 and 2. To remember that MJ tried to talk Thyme out of the red card, in part, because Gorya is a girl and it seemed like it was taking things too far. Even though we had just watched Thyme beat the crap out of Phupha, violence against a young girl would have been much harder to take (for MJ AND for the audience). The show would have absolutely lost more than half the audience watching if Gorya had been attacked as brutally in Ep 1 as she was in Ep 10 or even episode 7 (for good reason - it would not have been "earned").
BUT the show has sucked us in by now. We want what's best for Gorya (and we don't want to see her hurt) but the show is also unflinching in its social commentary.
The violence has never been a backdrop, or character "flavor". It isn't simply set-up (as, I would argue, is the case in every other version of F4) and it isn't gratuitous.
The violence is intentional and NECESSARY. And, as such, it is also necessary that the violence takes us out of our comfort zone and forces us to reckon with it too.
The reason many of us talk about F4 being the best version is because it has more meaning and intention behind every action. I can discuss Gorya's actions for days (it's actually been 9 weeks already lolol) because there is so much worth discussing. Jandi and Junpyo? Well, not so much lol.
Even when a kdrama (usually 16 episodes) gets extended to 18-20, it often just leads to more skipable scenes and makes me sad it got extended. I would feel nervous if Thai dramas did the same thing (extend a drama cuz its popular not cuz the story demands it)
For instance, your first point about Gorya being violent is something that *I* wrote up a specific post to discuss last week. It's a long time ago so not everyone will have seen it and it's a great topic to bring up again to keep discussing, but it isn't that no one talks about it (or, that they *wont* talk about it, as you have insinuated)
Feel free to say anything for any reason, but just letting you know that it's not that people aren't discussing them