Rich

I think they had him suffer terrible pain every night for 100 years so the buggery won't feel so bad lol.
I can understand the message that love is love and that inside is all that matters ( I really don't understand it, it's completely stupid )
But,
why did they send him a sweet little twink boy, why not some fat old man ?
If they want to spread these BS messages then they should have ugly fat ML's instead of all the boy candy.

I didn't make accusations about lying, he lied and I called him out about it. I am hoping you also wrote to him and told him that lying about people is unproductive and that he should move on, I am sure that is not the case though.
The theme is love beyond gender?
To me love beyond gender would be a gay love story, not a story that says there is no gay or straight.
Maybe if BL drama's are going to pretend that the soul is all that matter, they should start making drama's with fat and ugly ML's. then we can see if you all feel the wrapping is not important.
There are many forms of love, we love our cars, cake, the view, the dog, mother, father, sister, brother, friends and the list goes on, but it's not a sexual love.
You pretend that the gender of the person doesn't matter when you know that isn't true. In your last comment you argued the point that he could be Bi, why did you do that?
If what you are saying now is true, then being bi, gay or straight doesn't matter, in fact they don't exist.
In your previous comment you said that some individuals might not fully recognize their bisexuality or homosexuality until later in life due to societal pressure and personal denial, societal pressure wouldn't stop someone from knowing, but it might make them hide it. Denial would also not mean they don't know, more likely they don't want to accept it.
You are not the first person to tell me that Bisexuals might not know they are bi until later in life, but I was told that only works in one direction. If you realize you are attracted to the same sex later in life then you are bi and didn't know it, but if you realize you are attracted to the opposite sex later in life then you are being coerced by the terrible straight people and forced into leaving your gay partner.
Can you explain to me how that works?
Also, how is it that gay and bi people might not know what they want until they are adults, but trans people know what they want when they are preteens?
How is it that little boys at 2 or 3 can know they are really girls, but men get married to women, have children and then at 30ish realize they are gay or bi? You said there are studies on this so maybe you can tell me how this contradictory behaviour is explained to people like you.

And what?

I understand that we all like different kinds of drama's, it is also true that some Thai BL is good and that I have liked them.
My main problem with Thai BL is that it is not very gay, most of the stories seem to take inspiration from the pervert section in gay porn.
I can agree with everyone and say that San could have been Bi, but it's very unlikely. There's been no discussions in the drama to indicate that he was, no one asked him, they just all behaved like it doesn't matter that she came back a man after 100 years.
A straight man wants a relationship with a woman and a gay man wants a relationship with a man, the fact she is now a man should be a problem for someone. No one seems to see it as a problem, I think it's a big problem and it is obvious they are trying to push an agenda by saying that love is love and what is on the inside is all that matters.

Maybe you should read why I called him a liar before commenting, It had nothing to do with his experiences or opinions, it was because he lied about me to another person.
As far as the drama goes we should probably stick to the facts,
We have a straight man and his female love died, he then waits 100 years for her to be reincarnated only for her to come back as a man.
The family that have been living with him for generations do not seem fazed by this and some actually find it gleefully funny.
There is an obvious purpose to this drama and the way it's been written, it's got nothing to do with people later in life realizing they are Bi or gay, if that was the case the other people would be reacting in a more natural manner.
This drama's aim is to push an agenda, that love is fluid and what is inside a person is more important than what is on the outside.
Gay people used to be imprisoned or lobotomized in mental hospitals for being gay, if only they had know what you all know now, that there is no gay or straight.
This agenda is constantly pushed in BL drama's probably because they are written by women rather than gay men. I have watched a lot of BL and there really are not a lot of gay people in them, when they are they are normally sexually assaulting their straight friend or they are loud screaming queens.
You last comment tells me everything I need to know on why you wrote to me, you don't like my comment, You tried to be polite about it, but accused me of being rude to someone without actually checking why I wrote that he was a liar. You then politely tell me that I shouldn't be watching these drama's or writing comments about them.
I am not sure why you think you have the right to tell me what I should or shouldn't do, but you don't have that right.

You had enough time to write to someone else and lie, big yourself up and tell them how you shot facts at me and made me unhappy.
I will always have time to defend myself against scummy liars, you should spend your time trying to improve yourself, you can only get better

You are a liar!
You did send me a list of the Top BL drama's on MDL, 3 of which were gloried rape drama's.
You also sent me a list of the Top rated drama's on MDL, I don't believe any of those drama's got a second season.
I did reply to your message and shockingly you never wrote back, now you are writing BS statements to other people about me, but you couldn't find the time to reply to me.
Thai BL is toxic filth most of the time, you can pretend that they moved away from that, but only last year we had
" Wedding planning" A wedding planner getting it on with the groom ( they also managed to have drunk sex )
"Bed friend" One is so drunk he can't walk, but they still have sex and it's a love story
"Moonlight chicken" Sober guy having sex with another drunk guy who can't walk.
When they are not drunk they are normally mentally challenged being manipulated, coerced or forced by a gay guy.
It does seem that Thai BL get their inspiration from the Gay porn perv section.

I don't remember much nuance in your previous comment, before they didn't know they were bi, now you say some do, maybe next time it will change again. Of course the ones that do know are not to blame for their deceit and lies, that is straight peoples fault.
I didn't realize you identify as a victim lol
There is only one reason why a gay person pretends to be straight and gets married to a woman, it's because they choose to do it. Now I know that in some countries being gay is illegal and you might end up being thrown of a building, but we are not talking about them countries. I know you want to digress and muddy the waters, but those people never come out, they live and die in their straight marriage.
The people we are talking about are the ones who lie and deceive and then, after ruining other peoples lives they find a man and leave their family.
You say that they had no choice, but we both know that isn't true.
You pretend they are forced into it by terrible straight people, that they are trying to please their families and friends, Obviously years later when they find a man they leave and all the straight people in the world can't stop them.
So, you think Bi people are a bit slow at developing and gay people are not responsible for their own actions, yet you call me a bigot!

"Nope, but we live in a world where heterosexuality is the "default" so they're bound to be more confused. It's not a hard concept to wrap your head around..."
When children are going through puberty their body tells them what they like, they might not understand the sexual terms for it, but they would know if they like boys or girls.

I don't know what Gotcha moment I was trying for, but at least I am consistent.
When you talk about a straight person turning gay, you defend it and say they probably are bisexual and never knew. Now you are talking about my so called Gotcha moment and your answer is very different.
It turns out that when a person is in a gay relationship and leaves for a straight relationship, that isn't because they are bi and confused, it's because of them terrible straight people again.
You really have a low opinion of gay people, they are not responsible for their actions and they are just like puppets.
Why do you believe a lesbian tiktok singer, is it because she is a rainbow flag waver and you are a bigot? Could it not be that her GF woke up one morning and realized she was really bi, fell in love with a man and left her, or is that only used when defending gay people?
You listed off a load of phobia's that you think I have and called me a bigot, does it make you feel better now?
I didn't think it would take long before you turned to this argument and I was right, you have no way to defend the ideology that someone is something just because they say it.
I would say that people are born gay, but at the same time, I would say that we decide who is gay or straight by their actions. This might seem contradictory, but it is how defining language works.
If I think something, that doesn't make it true.
If I think about stealing, but don't, does that make me a thief?
If I identify as a honest person while stealing your money, does that make me not a thief?
A gay man want the D, a trans man doesn't have a D, he/she has a vagina . A gay man doesn't want a vagina, but a straight/bi man does, maybe a bi man might go for a woman pretending to be a man.
If a gay man is with a woman he is not gay, if a straight man is with a man, he is not straight. You might want to blur the lines and pretend their are no boundaries, but that is just ridiculous.

You think I shouldn't be here, shame! I know you identify as a victim and like to live in your little bubble with all the other victims agreeing with each other, but you wrote to me.
Maybe it is you that should watch some conservative drama's, only watching BL drama's that seem to take their inspiration from gay porn isn't good for you.

There have been millions of liars who married a woman, started a family then later in life left them for another man. Are they going to say that they always knew they were gay or bi, very unlikely, it's more likely that they cheated on their wife and got caught.
I know people today like to use the word IDENTIFY, we do not identify, we are or we are not.
Are you really saying that Bi people develop mentally slower than straight people? That when they are teenagers and their bodies naturally react to people they like, it only works 50 % of the time for Bi people.
It seems like nature let then down and later in life they can take no responsibility for their actions.
In your millions of example, in all the books, essays and movies, what percentage were in gay relationships and then left their male partner for a woman?
The point of this drama never went over my head, I even mention in one of my other comments that they are trying to push the idea that we are all fluid. People like you will agree with this and use words like IDENTIFY, but in reality you will live your life like most other people. If you are gay you want a man, not a woman who identifies as a man, and if you are straight you want a woman, not a man who identifies as a woman.

I really don't need you to tell me what I should watch or not watch, if you are not enjoying my comments then stop reading them and find some comments that agree with your agenda.
When we are young our body naturally tells us what we find sexually attractive, I never realized that Bi men are mentally and physically slower to develop than normal people.
San never thought about men because he was not interested in men, now suddenly everyone who is meant to be helping him are finding it funny that after a 100 year wait she is a man.
The only conversation that should be happening is, if I don't turn gay am I going to die in agony?

I think it is more likely that this is just another badly written BL drama about a straight man turning gay. I am not sure why so many people believe that people don't know what they like sexually until later in life, somehow he knew he liked women, but didn't know he liked men.
Everyone in the drama seems to be Bi by their reactions to his predicament, but in reality it is more likely they are straight, so why do they not care or understand?

After my previous comment about this drama didn't go down very well, I decided to watch a few episodes so I could give a proper review, it is worse than I imagined.
After living an extra 100 years I assumed our ML would be more knowledgeable, instead he seems to have lost brain cells rather than gained them.
After waiting 100 years, the woman he loved comes back a man, the family who have lived with him for generations seem to be gleefully happy and not very understanding how horrible that would be for him.
The other ML was more masculine when he was a woman, he walks around with his head in the clouds and a village idiot smile constantly on his face. Why he would be so happy I just don't know, his grandmother is in hospital, he's got no money and he is constantly having accidents.
Our straight ( soon to be gay ) ML as suffered terrible pain every night for 100 years, buggery won't feel so bad after all that.
I always thought people were born gay, but it turns out that it's a choice. Our ML after waiting 100 years for the woman he loved is going to turn gay, maybe all those men who fought for gay rights over the years should have just turned straight.

I wouldn't say that untamed was a BL drama, but 3 of the others had glorified rape in them, not just rape. When you turn a drunk rape into a love story then you glorify the rape.
Moonlight chicken started with a guy soo drunk the other guy took him home with him, of course within seconds he was sober enough to have sex. Do people really sober up that quickly? If you are sober and have sex with someone who is drunk, is that really a boy LOVE story?
I am sure I could find many other lists other than MDL that would list Cutie pie, Make it right ( 2 rapes and a season 2 so did alright) , Close to you ( drunk raped his brother on his birthday ), Big dragon, 2moons 2, Ai Long Nhai ( retarded and drunk), Bed friends and many more.
They make these drama's because they are popular and make money, people normally go to prison for raping their friend, in BL it's a love story. You say it's changing, what took so long?, why is BL about rape, coercion, manipulation or woman being reincarnated as men?
On the MDL highest rated BL's, did any of these drama's get a season 2?

It seems like your reality is a fantasy, not just the drama. People know what they like when they are teenagers and they start masturbating, if a man gets married, has children and then years later leaves his wife for a man, he didn't just turn gay over night. He was gay from the beginning ( or bi ) and lied about it, he wasn't confused or evolving, he was a scumbag who lied and cheated on his wife.
I have not watched any BL this year so I will have to take your word that the drunk rape as stopped, it was slowing down last year when they decided to start having the ML mentally challenged instead and have him manipulated, coerced and forced into a gay relationship.
When you look at the list of the most popular BL most of the top ten will be the drunk rape or the mentally challenged being manipulated, they will never stop making them because people like you like toxic BL.
Going back to this God awful drama, you are still defending the idea that a straight man might suddenly fall in love with another man, sexually fall in love with another man!.
It is a BL drama so having gay character would make sense to me, but we must have this fantasy idea of gays converting straights because a normal gay relationship isn't interesting enough.
If I remember right, the most popular BL was "2gether" both the ML's in that drama were straight. After seeing a guy once, he turned gay ( but only for him ) he then spent the next year organizing the most convoluted plan to manipulate the other guy into a changing his sexuality and falling in love with him.
For years gay people said that they were born gay and they could not be turned straight, were they lying? It seem you believe that people can be converted, or is it only straight people that can be converted?

This seems to have the same premise as a Korean drama from last year, it is a stupid premise. I know people today like to push the idea that everything is fluid, but having a straight guy find out that is reincarnated lost love is now a man and then falling in love with him, is ridiculous.
Can't they just have gay ML's in BL drama's?
If you are gay in a BL you are either really camp or getting your straight friend drunk and raping him, the writers of BL drama's seem to really hate gay people

I have never watched a Chinese drama that wasn't too long, even the short ones with only 24 episodes are too long. You can normally see it coming when someone keeps a secret for no reason, but we know it's so they can have some pointless argument later and keep the drama going.

It could have been good, it started OK but then started going downhill around episode 9 and never recovered. Both the ML's were horrible people, I kept waiting for them to grow and learn from their mistakes, but it never happened. ZP would have probably been killed before he was 20yo, his character was reckless and selfish and would never have survived very long during this time period. I didn't finish the drama, I made up a ending in my head where ZP was tortured to death and LJ killed himself, I am sure my ending was better than the real ending

It really doesn't matter what the drama is about, I have just never found a Chinese drama that wasn't too long. They always seem to add some new drama near the end that is pointless, distracts from the original storyline and ruins the drama overall

The reviews are mostly good for this drama so I will give it ago, but I am sure it will be 10 episodes too long and I will probably drop it

And they are all too long

54 Episodes! that's 30 episodes too many for a Chinese drama