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Love this show but will unfortunately need to put it on hold after reading ep 7-8 spoilers. It’s too emotionally heavy for me

Maybe I’ll pick it back up after I see how it ends (only if I like the ending)

I’d feel a lot more empathy for Ingang had he not told Ah Jin off after she played the video of Le Na slapping her.

Ya he acting suspicious and creepy af. Also why would he seek her out after she cut him off, only then to betray her to the world. Like ????

I’m sure there are better ways to save her than to make her public enemy #1 😡

Yep! And while both Ah Jin and Jun Seo’s mom had ulterior motives, at least Ah Jin treated him better…

While I have no problem with Ah Jin’s downfall, I hope everyone who hurt Ah Jin will also receive their appropriate karma, especially Jun Seo’s mom

His mom was likely complicit in the murder of her mom, actually tried to sell her off for money, cheated on his dad, and tries to use her illegitimate son to get money from his grandfather. She’s just as bad as Ah Jin IMO

Hopefully when Jun Seo reveals everything to “save” her, he includes why she did what she did, so society can also reflect on its shortcomings as well (and everyone who harmed her gets equally exposed), or else it’ll read to me as more of a personal takedown for not returning his affections

It’s a lot to ask for a fictional kdrama, but the drama has just been that good so far hah

the people who look down on her are all awful people. i feel like it's to highlight their hypocrisy, but maybe im giving the show too much props lol

She let her dad go in high school, and that took away her chance of being a law student at an extremely prestigious university.

I don’t think she wanted a round 2 of that, and I personally couldn’t come up with a solution that could put her dad away for life.

Maybe that’s why she wanted to be a law student in the first place, to figure out out to legally get rid of her dad.

There were also two scenes shot with him having a bird’s eye view on Ah Jin’s life, observing thr observers:

1/ in high school, when the female bully was eavesdropping on Ah Jin and 2ML conversation

2/ in ep 5, where he eavesdrops on Le Na’s phone call with the reporting, with Lena looking at the cop

It feels, to me, like he enjoys having control over her

“ He grew up watching and understanding life from her lens. He doesn’t find joy in things or actually find them funny because she doesn’t really either. Using guilt and naivety, she turned him into a sort of shadow of her when they were just kids” — this is a great point!

And yes haha, we just wanna be able to read him! I feel like he’s actually the most unpredictable / unreadable character in the show. Ah Jin’s motives are easy to read cuz she’s fueled by 100% rationality, I.e., near pure selfishness (except some weak spots for ML here and there)

I also feel like that’s why he caused her downfall, so she can become even more dependent on him….

Yes!!! I’m so glad you see it like this too. It felt like in ep 5 he was positioning himself for her to need him

i feel like Jun Seo has some psychopath tendencies on his own.. it's impossible to read how he truly feels / who he truly is

he seems pretty obedient around Ah Jin, but has a stone cold / expressionless face around others (him observing Ah Jin and Jae O laugh and catch up tgt in ep 5 was eerie). ep 6 portrayed him in a scary light when he was watching the movie clip of Ah Jin and Ingang, with him rolling his neck like a villain

him writing books capitalizing on her misery, making himself more famous. in ep 5, him taking the first step to see Ah Jin on set after Ah Jin broke things off in ep 4. him going to a xmas as SOMEONE ELSE'S date, knowing Ah Jin will be there

he also flew into blind rage 3x over Ah Jin (beating up her dad; hitting the officer in prison; punching the drunks), but he doesn't seem to hold any grudges with Re Na for treating Ah Jin like sht (maybe Ah Jin told him to flirt with Re Na on this one, idk)

i just don't understand him lol -- if someone does, please help explain his character (beyond just being a gaslit victim)

Yeah I mean more for the second leads / supporting roles. Harder to break out and get sponsorships if the reach isn’t as global. That’s just my two cents. I’m sure IU and BW will do just fine.

So unfair for the actors.

Came here to voice my disappointment with D+ but everyone else beat me to it hah

for those complaining that ep 5-6 is copying Squid Game: it's just 2 out of 12 episodes. also the concept behind Squid Game isn't original either -- there are other survival game genres like Battle Royale, etc. in fact, i think the author of Squid Game admitted he was influenced by works like those.

for those complaining it's a copy of Death Race... welp no comment cuz i haven't watched it and you could be right. hopefully it ended at ep 6 tho.

JCW is crushing it but dang, I hope he’s taking care of himself after all those fight scenes 😅

Agree, he’s neither good at portraying a scary calculating one nor a crazy one

The way they styled him is also really strange, he looks like an overgrown kid

(EXO fans pls don’t kill me)

Junseo

Or that he’s afraid of her forging her own path without him and leaving him behind