I am a little bit torn. On one hand some things would deserve to be showed properly, not only said - so there comes my regret for this being a small scare series. On the other hand I am amazed everything they managed to fit in here properly despite it being small scale, limited budget etc. This might not be for every mood and for sophisticated type of viewer but for the genre, they made maximum. Very happy about this.đĽ°
we have so many cbls airing this week snack on one each day till next Friday đ
aaaa! mmnt, this one and Double Helix, right? what are the others? and isnt this one most explict? plus this is the only historical/costume, right? and enemies to lovers??? aaaaa!
"be trash again"? ZeeNunew series are always good bro
You must feel incredibly insecure with your psychological profile to shoot with emotionally strong words like "psychobabble", while trying to use my criticism and analysis of zero psychologizing as a shield and target.
âIâm not 100% supportiveâŚâ You're defending yourself against something I didnât actually claim (a bit of a strawman). It shifts the frame from my argument to your independence, which sounds strong but dodges the substance. âDonât even know where you came up with all this psychobabble.â This is a classic dismissive move. Instead of engaging with specifics, you label your point as nonsense. It signals irritation more than argument. âYouâre entitled to your opinionâŚâ It sounds like respect, but in reality itâs more of a polite âand thatâs where Iâm ending this.â In a discussion, itâs more a way to shut it down without actually refuting anything.
âIt doesnât matter what production company.â This is quite a strong generalization without evidence. A production company obviously can have an impact (budget, style, direction). So it comes across as a shortcutâsimplifying reality to avoid nuance.
âYour opinion⌠is just that. Your opinion.â Formally true, but trivial. It applies just as much to your own opinionâso it doesnât really add anything.
âYou donât get to be the ultimate authorityâŚâ Again, a response to something I didnât claim. It attributes an extreme position to me so it can be rejected. âI would trust⌠viewership and awardsâŚâ This is an appeal to popularity and authority: viewership â quality awards â universal truth Itâs an argument, but a fairly weak one if weâre discussing critical evaluation. Your response isnât really about a substantive discussion. Itâs more that you: defend emotionally your own stance downplays mine (by labeling it âpsychobabbleâ) leans on general authorities (audiences, awards) instead of addressing specific points. Youâve just reduced your comment to self-defensive drivel. Good luck in life with that.
"be trash again"? ZeeNunew series are always good bro
OK. And the motivation behind its success is not that they produce the highest-quality audiovisual projects. Itâs a mix of curiosity, surprise, provocation, a gap in the market, and an obsession with fluffy BL content, combined with the target audienceâs age range and the actorsâ chemistry.
It also includes parasocial relationships with the actors, expectations and hype built up over years of waiting, identification with the BL community, specific scenes or clips that work well in isolation, and even the âso bad itâs goodâ effect. A significant part of it comes down to luck and strategy.
These are the factors behind the successânot necessarily high-quality performances or consistently strong projects. Even fans can see how far some productions fall short of the desired outcome. I donât pay much attention to loud public claims suggesting otherwise. After all, I saw what you saw when both series were airing.
And if you werenât watching through the eyes of a die-hard fan or a completely uninvolved viewer who lacks a deeper understanding of audiovisual projects, you had to see the significant shortcomings both projects had. And that a large part of their success lies not in how good the projects actually are or in what they delivered that hadnât been seen before, but in how much the final products cater to a specific group of people and their expectations of what such a series should look like.
In other words, yesâa sizable group of mostly girls chose to push them, and that made a difference. Itâs social proof rather than pure artistic merit; more of a perfect storm than outstanding performance. But they delivered something that a specific audienceâmainly teenagers and young adultsâwanted to see, in exactly the way they wanted to see it. And on that level, it worked.
I feel like the lack of constructive, socially acceptable criticismâthe kind that actually helps projects improveâhas disappeared. Itâs been pushed out, almost excommunicated, treated like something unacceptable.
Instead, whatâs spreadingâalmost like a diseaseâis an environment where youâre expected to be 100% supportive of every aspect of a project publicly, or you risk being treated like a witch hunted by a mob.
Thereâs no longer a distinction between criticism and harmful intent in peopleâs eyes. An interesting development.
"be trash again"? ZeeNunew series are always good bro
Nice, but with the type of fans they have, it mainly means they have a large, active, self-sacrificing fanbase thatâs currently pushing themânot that theyâre objectively the best.
And yes, CP did seem to bring something newâcheeky and daringâwhich grabs peopleâs attention at first, and it was good at doing that. Then again, halfway through, the execution started to lag far behind its ambitions.
ME: I'm not gonna check this, they are gonna mess it and I will be annoyed. Also ME, after checking out the first ep.: The hell, i need to watch this! :D đđđ đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ
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âIâm not 100% supportiveâŚâ
You're defending yourself against something I didnât actually claim (a bit of a strawman). It shifts the frame from my argument to your independence, which sounds strong but dodges the substance.
âDonât even know where you came up with all this psychobabble.â
This is a classic dismissive move. Instead of engaging with specifics, you label your point as nonsense. It signals irritation more than argument.
âYouâre entitled to your opinionâŚâ
It sounds like respect, but in reality itâs more of a polite âand thatâs where Iâm ending this.â In a discussion, itâs more a way to shut it down without actually refuting anything.
âIt doesnât matter what production company.â
This is quite a strong generalization without evidence. A production company obviously can have an impact (budget, style, direction). So it comes across as a shortcutâsimplifying reality to avoid nuance.
âYour opinion⌠is just that. Your opinion.â
Formally true, but trivial. It applies just as much to your own opinionâso it doesnât really add anything.
âYou donât get to be the ultimate authorityâŚâ
Again, a response to something I didnât claim. It attributes an extreme position to me so it can be rejected.
âI would trust⌠viewership and awardsâŚâ
This is an appeal to popularity and authority:
viewership â quality
awards â universal truth
Itâs an argument, but a fairly weak one if weâre discussing critical evaluation.
Your response isnât really about a substantive discussion. Itâs more that you:
defend emotionally your own stance
downplays mine (by labeling it âpsychobabbleâ)
leans on general authorities (audiences, awards) instead of addressing specific points.
Youâve just reduced your comment to self-defensive drivel. Good luck in life with that.
It also includes parasocial relationships with the actors, expectations and hype built up over years of waiting, identification with the BL community, specific scenes or clips that work well in isolation, and even the âso bad itâs goodâ effect. A significant part of it comes down to luck and strategy.
These are the factors behind the successânot necessarily high-quality performances or consistently strong projects. Even fans can see how far some productions fall short of the desired outcome. I donât pay much attention to loud public claims suggesting otherwise. After all, I saw what you saw when both series were airing.
And if you werenât watching through the eyes of a die-hard fan or a completely uninvolved viewer who lacks a deeper understanding of audiovisual projects, you had to see the significant shortcomings both projects had. And that a large part of their success lies not in how good the projects actually are or in what they delivered that hadnât been seen before, but in how much the final products cater to a specific group of people and their expectations of what such a series should look like.
In other words, yesâa sizable group of mostly girls chose to push them, and that made a difference. Itâs social proof rather than pure artistic merit; more of a perfect storm than outstanding performance. But they delivered something that a specific audienceâmainly teenagers and young adultsâwanted to see, in exactly the way they wanted to see it. And on that level, it worked.
I feel like the lack of constructive, socially acceptable criticismâthe kind that actually helps projects improveâhas disappeared. Itâs been pushed out, almost excommunicated, treated like something unacceptable.
Instead, whatâs spreadingâalmost like a diseaseâis an environment where youâre expected to be 100% supportive of every aspect of a project publicly, or you risk being treated like a witch hunted by a mob.
Thereâs no longer a distinction between criticism and harmful intent in peopleâs eyes. An interesting development.
And yes, CP did seem to bring something newâcheeky and daringâwhich grabs peopleâs attention at first, and it was good at doing that. Then again, halfway through, the execution started to lag far behind its ambitions.
Also ME, after checking out the first ep.: The hell, i need to watch this! :D đđđ đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ