Found all kind of weird criticism about this drama and character but the funny one I saw recently is when Someone…
Yep. I want to give an advice to people, stay away from the comments from the new teaser GagaOOLala was released, you will get angry, i assure you, because i have gotten speachless from reading some comments. i just saw a comment where someone has said that people can`t deny Kiyoi has physically and verbally abused HIRA, and i was literally feeling horrorfied . And there are some comments that are even worse than this one.
Both Kiyoi and Hira admit and know their bad sides and it's being addressed directly in the show, just people…
Yes. I was checking the new teaser from GagaOOLala from youtube, because someone has liked a comment i made, and i just saw a comment where someone has said that people can`t deny Kiyoi has physically and verbally abused HIRA,and i was literally horrorfied lol. Just in what world do we live in for people to throw around words like physical and verbal abuse so easily? Like if the fact that Kiyoi has pushed Hira to the ground two times, which you can tell it wasn`t even with intention, counts as physical abuse, then people who abuse others to the point they have to go to the hospital, what can be defined as. When i see those kind of comments, i can`t help but think that the level of education in the world is getting lower and lower instead of getting higher, taking in consideration the fact that is much more easily to gain access to information than in the past.
It don't have new scenes added, is the same 30s teaser that was shared before, but maybe you missed the post made.I…
Someone shared a few days ago a twitter link that had the same 30s teaser that GagaOOLala has released now. But i think it was not subbed, now that i remember, so most likely the teaser released previously was from a japanese website.
Another teaser for episode 5 with new scenes added. What intense expressions from Yagi Yusei. Wow.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2WiV0Nzk-k
It don't have new scenes added, is the same 30s teaser that was shared before, but maybe you missed the post made.I saw this too, and i tought that the title is misleading, based on what will most likely happen in this ep. Like why a title like this is needed, is obviously a clickbait.
It has to be alluded at least, especially for the first blowjob, since is important, and i think they can show…
I think this is what all of us are hoping for. They don't need to show more than they think is necessary, is enough for them to letting us know that it is happening, because the acting is good and will take care of everything else.
What a sensational show! I am completely mesmerized by it. I think it has to be in my top 5 of all time - this…
Your comment is amazing, especially in the the parts where you said that Kiyoi could have totally humiliated and shattered Hira and when you mentioned the struggle Kiyoi has to acccept a person who is as repulsive as Hira. This is why i love so much Nagira Yuu for the way she writed the novel this drama is adapted from, she could have easily made Kiyoi be a veritable asshole by having him stepping all over Hira feelings and shattering his heart, but she choose to not do it. It matters a lot that Kiyoi didn`t took advantage of him and Kiyoi relationship for his own personal gain, because i can`t stand watching or reading stories with characters that are not only selfish and only think of themselves , but they are also taking advantage and actively hurt they partner. I really dislike characters like this, and if Kiyoi would have take this route i would have dropped watching the drama long ago. I realised that i didn`t mentioned enough about Kiyoi struggles too. In high school especially, but in the present too, Kiyoi hasn`t fully understood Hira love and he always found his love as repulsive. He tries to supress this thinking of him, because as you have said he is also touched by his pure love in a way. In some scenes, the word KIMOI Kiyoi uses is adressed to Hira love, like he is calling his love repulsive. There is also the fact that Kiyoi has his pride too, he knows that if he wants he can have a lover who could be less strange and more normal than Hira, so he is struggling a lot about it. I will try to be vague about this, but when Hira has some of his moments where he shows his true feelings and his toughts seems too strange for him, Kiyoi toughts are like--- WHY DO I LIKE A GUY LIKE THIS?, and i can really get him in these moments. Both characters go through a lot of character development, but in this season Kiyoi is the one that has the biggest character development, and Hira changes only a bit, because the story is writed in a way that they have not time to show it.
Everyone is talking about the heart to heart moments and here I am wondering all the time if the blowjobs and…
It has to be alluded at least, especially for the first blowjob, since is important, and i think they can show a bit of the sex scene that should be in the last episode. In my opinion the scene where Kiyoi was making out with that guy in Hira imagination was much more bold than i tought for a scene that is not even about the lead characters, so i think is a hint we might something. I was talking with Suckmytoes123 about this, and maybe she will give a reply on this too. Suckmytoes123 has said to me that Hagiwara Riku basically mentioned having scenes to do with attacker-receiver so we most likely will get something, and also it seems Gagaoolala has said that the drama isn't just about sex, so it directly imply that we will get something.
Oh yes. I forget this part was mistranslated, what innacurate translation can do, stwsry has corrected it in her…
Don`t be like this, i think the script is still very good, you will be really impressed on how good the story will get the next episodes, trust me on this. They should get much more closer next episode, i am sure your imagination will get wild next episodes if they will show even half on what is in the CD. The novel is really good, and i like how they changed this part, and didn`t expanded on it, because it left it open for people to think what they want. I want to think he wanted to ask about Koyama, but this is because the question is made the same as in the source material and it makes more sense to me. And is also that from my knowledge, in this period of time Kiyoi don`t have the guts to initiate intimate scenes, kisses yes, but sex scenes are too much for him ( he is a bit shy about this, so he needs Hira to push a bit for them to take the next step). Kiyoi will only get better in the future when it comes to this, so he was at most asking for them to spend more time together talking, but from there they could have done more, of course. The way he asked the question in an ambiguous way also reveals he can work on his way of expressing or that he was nervous too.
I want to ask one more question. Sitting on the swing, Kiyoi asked Hira "What's your plan?". Kiyoi was disappointed…
Oh yes. I forget this part was mistranslated, what innacurate translation can do, stwsry has corrected it in her translation. Because it was changed this way in the drama, you and Suckmytoes123 take on this can be right too. He could have wanted Hira to invite him to his house and talk some more. Thank you for pointing this out. But, this don`t mean what i think is not right too, because when he asks what are you going to do after this, it can still mean in the future, like what he is going to do with Koyama. Even without reading the CD, i will still connect the question he asked then with the question he asked later, because it seems it make more sense than asking where he is going, taking into consideration that he was really wondering about Hira relationship with Koyama and dying to know what Hira planned to do with him. This drama, like the majority of japanese BL adaptations actually, are really faithful adaptation of the source material, so usually the meaning of the actions and events are kept the same. I have watched a lot of japanese BL adaptations, and they really try to adapt the content in a similar way. Japan is not like other asian countries when it comes to adaptations, when they adapt something, they really respect and take in consideration the source material, this is why i like japanese Bl movies and dramas the most.
kiyoi is actually a little shit, i thought he just enjoyed reveling in hira's adoration but rewatching and i'm…
Yes. He was paying attention to him too. Honestly, from what i know about the novel and CD, Kiyoi likes the irrational way Hira likes him, he likes the unique way in which he looks at him. I think Kiyoi can intuite that Hira likes him for the person he is ( his personality, behaviour, habits etc), but at the same time he is not sure what the exact reason is. Kiyoi never understood Hira fully, i mean he knew Hira likes him genuinely, he likes his intense, worship kind of love, but he will understand the exact reason of why Hira likes him only in the last episode based on the CD. This is also why i think, if Hira love for him would have been a normal kind of love, Kiyoi most likely wouldn't come to like him. Basically, Kiyoi liked Hira exactly how is writed by Nagira Yuu.
I think you meant episode 1 and 4, and not chapters. I make those kind of mistakes sometimes too, since i read…
You might be right on this, but is a bit too far-fetched. These scenes in ep 1 and ep 4 are not in the CD, so i don't know what Kiyoi tought in that moment. Maybe it will be revealed next ep, but i don't think is highly likely.
I think you meant episode 1 and 4, and not chapters. I make those kind of mistakes sometimes too, since i read…
I don't think Kiyoi was angry in ep 4 thu. Well maybe a bit, because is weird that he hasn't choosen ginger ale from the start. In the end he still choose what Hira wanted, because he handed to him ginger ale first. Anyway is not that important, he was drunk too.
One detail caught my attention. Will you think the same as me? Waiting for your comments. First detail: Chapter…
I think you meant episode 1 and 4, and not chapters. I make those kind of mistakes sometimes too, since i read novels too frequently. But you remember wrong the order of what happens in ep 4. In ep 1. between water and ginger ale, Kiyoi choose to drink water first, and after he finishes the water he drink ginger ale too. In ep 4 Hira initially gives him to drink ginger ale first, Kiyoi says he can`t drink it then, then Hira gives him water. But instead of choosing water, Kiyoi is choosing ginger ale. He choose to drink ginger ale in the end, no water. Watch the scene again, because i just rewatch it too. I noticed the order too, and i think Kiyoi choosing to drink ginger ale this time and not water like how he did in the first episode, is because he wanted to give a hint to Hira that he still likes ginger ale, and that he remembers the times he brought it for him, like he still remembers what they had between them, but Hira obviously don`t think too much about this, again.
If people watch the most darkest BL movies Japan has done, they may have a "heart attack", i mean this drama is…
Yes. I know. I was just comparing Japan to other asian countries, and didn't think as far as in Hollywood. Of course non-asian countries ca do it as well as Japan too. I just stoped watching dramas from other non asian-countries. The only non-asian dramas that i watch are from the crime/mystery genre, since i like this genre too much.
I'm loving this drama so far, I get why some people are disappointed but this is how generally japanese productions…
If people watch the most darkest BL movies Japan has done, they may have a "heart attack", i mean this drama is nothing compared with these movies. I mentioned this in a reply below that this is how many jdramas usually are. Jdramas aren`t made for people to feel comfortable when watching, but because they want to convey and express something, without consideration to how viewers might feel. Of course, Japan has also released light dramas, some situated between light and dark themes, and some are really dark, but the majority are situated in the middle, and this is why for the last couple of years the majority of dramas and movies i watched comes from Japan, as they have this realistic touch that can really hurt our feelings. But i really appreciate this, because in my opinion the best movies and dramas has to make us feel something otherwise why would i lose the time i have to watch them. And Japan has only gotten bolder on the themes showed and the deepness they choose to shown. A perfect exemple is Chugakusei Nikki, if it was made by another country they wouldn`t even address half of the grey morality issues and themes this drama has choose to touch.
I just realized that in episode 3 when the guys were teasing that girl to confess to Hira and Kiyoi intervened…
Yes. If people pay attention is easy to figure it that Kiyoi is not indiferent at all towards Hira, i mean his feelings for Hira were really obvious to me for several times in ep 4 ( i mean he has these feelings for a long time, we will see this in the ep). I don`t know why some people only see things for Hira perspective. Hira toughts and impression on a lot of actions Kiyoi has done until now are totally inaccurate, and we will see this next ep. I mean people should see Kiyoi struggles too ( he is not good in showing and expressing his feelings, i mean he gets better but he was a mess when he was in high school) and also the moment his feelings for Hira changed even if the story was told from Hira POV until now.
Yes. This is what struck me too. He has these subtle facial expressions and his eyes that convey so much, and…
Yes, if i have to compare him with an actor whose acting i really like, and whose facial expressions and eyes convey more than words can even do, is Takeru Satoh, and he has years of experience where he honed his skills. I have watched some dramas and movies of TAKERU SATOH just because he acted in them. I am positive Yagi Yusei will become as good as him, if he will accept to act in more dramas.
i just saw a comment where someone has said that people can`t deny Kiyoi has physically and verbally abused HIRA, and i was literally feeling horrorfied . And there are some comments that are even worse than this one.
Just in what world do we live in for people to throw around words like physical and verbal abuse so easily?
Like if the fact that Kiyoi has pushed Hira to the ground two times, which you can tell it wasn`t even with intention, counts as physical abuse, then people who abuse others to the point they have to go to the hospital, what can be defined as.
When i see those kind of comments, i can`t help but think that the level of education in the world is getting lower and lower instead of getting higher, taking in consideration the fact that is much more easily to gain access to information than in the past.
This is why i love so much Nagira Yuu for the way she writed the novel this drama is adapted from, she could have easily made Kiyoi be a veritable asshole by having him stepping all over Hira feelings and shattering his heart, but she choose to not do it.
It matters a lot that Kiyoi didn`t took advantage of him and Kiyoi relationship for his own personal gain, because i can`t stand watching or reading stories with characters that are not only selfish and only think of themselves , but they are also taking advantage and actively hurt they partner. I really dislike characters like this, and if Kiyoi would have take this route i would have dropped watching the drama long ago.
I realised that i didn`t mentioned enough about Kiyoi struggles too. In high school especially, but in the present too, Kiyoi hasn`t fully understood Hira love and he always found his love as repulsive. He tries to supress this thinking of him, because as you have said he is also touched by his pure love in a way. In some scenes, the word KIMOI Kiyoi uses is adressed to Hira love, like he is calling his love repulsive.
There is also the fact that Kiyoi has his pride too, he knows that if he wants he can have a lover who could be less strange and more normal than Hira, so he is struggling a lot about it.
I will try to be vague about this, but when Hira has some of his moments where he shows his true feelings and his toughts seems too strange for him, Kiyoi toughts are like--- WHY DO I LIKE A GUY LIKE THIS?, and i can really get him in these moments.
Both characters go through a lot of character development, but in this season Kiyoi is the one that has the biggest character development, and Hira changes only a bit, because the story is writed in a way that they have not time to show it.
In my opinion the scene where Kiyoi was making out with that guy in Hira imagination was much more bold than i tought for a scene that is not even about the lead characters, so i think is a hint we might something.
I was talking with Suckmytoes123 about this, and maybe she will give a reply on this too. Suckmytoes123 has said to me that Hagiwara Riku basically mentioned having scenes to do with attacker-receiver so we most likely will get something, and also it seems Gagaoolala has said that the drama isn't just about sex, so it directly imply that we will get something.
The novel is really good, and i like how they changed this part, and didn`t expanded on it, because it left it open for people to think what they want.
I want to think he wanted to ask about Koyama, but this is because the question is made the same as in the source material and it makes more sense to me.
And is also that from my knowledge, in this period of time Kiyoi don`t have the guts to initiate intimate scenes, kisses yes, but sex scenes are too much for him ( he is a bit shy about this, so he needs Hira to push a bit for them to take the next step). Kiyoi will only get better in the future when it comes to this, so he was at most asking for them to spend more time together talking, but from there they could have done more, of course.
The way he asked the question in an ambiguous way also reveals he can work on his way of expressing or that he was nervous too.
Because it was changed this way in the drama, you and Suckmytoes123 take on this can be right too. He could have wanted Hira to invite him to his house and talk some more. Thank you for pointing this out.
But, this don`t mean what i think is not right too, because when he asks what are you going to do after this, it can still mean in the future, like what he is going to do with Koyama.
Even without reading the CD, i will still connect the question he asked then with the question he asked later, because it seems it make more sense than asking where he is going, taking into consideration that he was really wondering about Hira relationship with Koyama and dying to know what Hira planned to do with him.
This drama, like the majority of japanese BL adaptations actually, are really faithful adaptation of the source material, so usually the meaning of the actions and events are kept the same. I have watched a lot of japanese BL adaptations, and they really try to adapt the content in a similar way. Japan is not like other asian countries when it comes to adaptations, when they adapt something, they really respect and take in consideration the source material, this is why i like japanese Bl movies and dramas the most.
Honestly, from what i know about the novel and CD, Kiyoi likes the irrational way Hira likes him, he likes the unique way in which he looks at him. I think Kiyoi can intuite that Hira likes him for the person he is ( his personality, behaviour, habits etc), but at the same time he is not sure what the exact reason is.
Kiyoi never understood Hira fully, i mean he knew Hira likes him genuinely, he likes his intense, worship kind of love, but he will understand the exact reason of why Hira likes him only in the last episode based on the CD.
This is also why i think, if Hira love for him would have been a normal kind of love, Kiyoi most likely wouldn't come to like him.
Basically, Kiyoi liked Hira exactly how is writed by Nagira Yuu.
These scenes in ep 1 and ep 4 are not in the CD, so i don't know what Kiyoi tought in that moment. Maybe it will be revealed next ep, but i don't think is highly likely.
But you remember wrong the order of what happens in ep 4.
In ep 1. between water and ginger ale, Kiyoi choose to drink water first, and after he finishes the water he drink ginger ale too.
In ep 4 Hira initially gives him to drink ginger ale first, Kiyoi says he can`t drink it then, then Hira gives him water. But instead of choosing water, Kiyoi is choosing ginger ale. He choose to drink ginger ale in the end, no water. Watch the scene again, because i just rewatch it too.
I noticed the order too, and i think Kiyoi choosing to drink ginger ale this time and not water like how he did in the first episode, is because he wanted to give a hint to Hira that he still likes ginger ale, and that he remembers the times he brought it for him, like he still remembers what they had between them, but Hira obviously don`t think too much about this, again.
I mentioned this in a reply below that this is how many jdramas usually are. Jdramas aren`t made for people to feel comfortable when watching, but because they want to convey and express something, without consideration to how viewers might feel.
Of course, Japan has also released light dramas, some situated between light and dark themes, and some are really dark, but the majority are situated in the middle, and this is why for the last couple of years the majority of dramas and movies i watched comes from Japan, as they have this realistic touch that can really hurt our feelings. But i really appreciate this, because in my opinion the best movies and dramas has to make us feel something otherwise why would i lose the time i have to watch them.
And Japan has only gotten bolder on the themes showed and the deepness they choose to shown. A perfect exemple is Chugakusei Nikki, if it was made by another country they wouldn`t even address half of the grey morality issues and themes this drama has choose to touch.
I mean people should see Kiyoi struggles too ( he is not good in showing and expressing his feelings, i mean he gets better but he was a mess when he was in high school) and also the moment his feelings for Hira changed even if the story was told from Hira POV until now.
I am positive Yagi Yusei will become as good as him, if he will accept to act in more dramas.