"he also wants all viewers to be like gaon" lmao. Such a disaster wish 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
LOL I don't think people understand, Gaon as a character is the only character that ever question himself if what he is doing is right or wrong. Everyone is trying to achieve justice in their own ways, but they never look back at themselves, whether what they are doing is right or wrong.
In the show Gaon seems like be not "smart" but in the writer's original story, he is all of the ordinary people, who aren't heroes (I mean, admit it, there's no batman in real world with that much money and good heart and skills that are willing to go that far for justice), only if we are all like him, who evaluate ourselves and our actions, then we can actually make a change.
(This is what the writer wrote in his remarks basically).
It is clear from the first episode that Yo Han is the "devil" who does everything to his goals and everyone is…
On the show itself Yohan is literally like an angel lol But I don't think that helps show what the writer's intent. Gaon isn't supposed to be the one who solve the issues and seen as "stick to the book and can't actually make a change", the whole idea was (was - from the script only I am referring to) Gaon always evaluate and question himself. Yohan's methods, professor's methods, none of them are truly "justice". They are angry at the injustice but they never question if their own methods were right no not - that makes them scarier than the object that they are angry at. (These are literal words from the writer himself).
Of coz, the drama isn't able to show this part off well because they made Yohan's character a literal angel lol...
Posting here again so hopefully more people will see this haha.
Recently the original script book preview came out. It explained a lot more on what the writer's POVs. I think originally Yohan and Gaon's character would be more equal. The pieces of the original script revealed a lot of details about both of their characters that made them make more sense.
For example:
- It was Yohan who blew up Gaon's house at ep5. Both Sunah and Yohan wanted to blow it up and Yohan did it one step faster. Gaon already left but Yohan wanted him to come back that's why he blew his house up.
- Gaon reviewed the past 3 years of Yohan's cases, and all the cases were sus. The witness will suddenly come out or suddenly the defendant would change and admit their own crimes. Etc. There were legit reasons to why Gaon was actually investigating.
Little details like these made Gaon's character way more logical (he didn't just stay at the house for nothing / he actually has a legit reason to be sus at Yohan / Yohan isn't the "glorified" version like what we see right now but actually as crazy as (or more) than Sunah, etc.)
From the original writer intent, Yohan really IS the devil lol He wanted to show people only if you look at your own action and question yourself if what you are doing is truly right and justice, then you won't become like Yohan/prof/foundation/public. Gaon is truly the "light" because writer sees him as US, ordinary people, who aren't heroes and CAN actually make a change in the system. He also wants all viewers to be like Gaon, always questioning, doubting, making mistakes, angry, but never lose compassion and good faith lol
Am i the only one who thinks KYH is heavily inspired by Bruce Wayne/Batman?He has the trauma (not cured), the…
The writer said his idea was a Batman who acts like a Joker. But recently the original script book preview came out. I think originally Yohan and Gaon's character would be more equal. The pieces of the original script revealed a lot of details about both of their characters that made them make more sense. For example:
- It was Yohan who blew up Gaon's house at ep5. Both Sunah and Yohan wanted to blow it up and Yohan did it one step faster. Gaon already left but Yohan wanted him to come back that's why he blew his house up. - Gaon reviewed the past 3 years of Yohan's cases, and all the cases were sus. The witness will suddenly come out or suddenly the defendant would change and admit their own crimes. Etc. There were legit reasons to why Gaon were actually investigating.
Little details like these made Gaon's character way more logical (he didn't just stay at the house for nothing / he actually has a legit reason to be sus at Yohan / Yohan isn't the "glorified" version like what we see right now but actually as crazy as (or more) than Sunah, etc.)
this is why ga on has so many scenes in yohan's house and it also changes yohan's character. he was not meant…
From the original writer intent, Yohan really IS the devil lol He wanted to show people only if you look at your own action and question yourself if what you are doing is truly right and justice, then you won't become like Yohan/prof/foundation/public. Gaon is truly the "light" because writer wants all viewers to be like him, always questioning, doubting, making mistakes, angry, but never lose compassion and good faith lol
I wish there's an English version of the script book LOL
I understand people who watched Kingdom wanted a thrilling story but this simply isn’t. Don’t expect a fast paced story and you will really enjoy this. It’s a very dark story but a very well written one. I feel every emotion of Ashin. If you treat this as a “drama” genre movie, it’s a really good one. I am IN LOVE with this.
And honestly, the child actress of Ashin was so phenomenal there was a part of me didn’t want her to grow up. I could watch her all 1.5 hours.
you feel sorry for a power-hungry, greedy, crazy, obsessed murderer? 😲🤔
She didn't really born this way too. Of coz, she doesn't have to become like this, but her and yohan are technically very similar people, but yohan had isaac and elijah. Even the maid, and at the very least he's in a wealthy family despite how hard it is for him and he's being locked down. Finding $ to survive wasn't needed, unlike Sun Ah. As a woman she also faced sexual harassments. And literally no one treated her well. If she has a Issac person growing up, maybe she will be different too.
Human are complex. She has always been on the victims’ side and from ep1-10 she has always been angry with the evils and speak up against it on and off court. Her wanting power and liking materials doesn’t make her an evil person that want to harm the public. Wanting to advance in career aren’t even a bad thing, if she’s doing it in the right way. She’s just slowly losing herself. The original thought to gain power and do the right thing might turn into greed later on. But why she is no longer that huge fan of yohan makes complete sense
The Game: Towards Zero had a similar problem - kick ass female character who's a detective is constantly protected…
LOL omg that would have been sooooo frustrating hahahaha it’s just lazy writing at that point. Stranger might have been the best show in writing a female detective that can stand alone on herself lol
Same here! I ADORE Yohan and Gaon, but Kdramas always fall into the ignoring females stereotype and it's frustrating…
I actually think Jinjoo has a better story written for her compared to soohyun. At least I understand why she is slowly parting ways with Yohan and why she wants to step up. I know her personality and even her family background, her work styles, she is useful on trials.
But honestly I don’t think the writer is discriminating against female characters lol it’s just because there are only two main male characters in the story and they were meant t be the two leads so by default with the story they both have a lot of screen time lol Some of these things happen on Gaon’s role too (like intentionally weakening him). We learned what happened to gaon’s family but we don’t even see him with his parents once in the memories. All it takes was 30 sec screen time LOL
Cha + Seonah are being written with some good details given their screen time.
I just think writer aren’t the strongest in giving details to characters in the plot (he has really good intentions to the roles but couldn’t show it)
It's not hate it's more like annoyance. In the beginning she was this badass police officer but recent episodes…
Totally and I tried to explain that on Twitter as well but got blocked hahahaha she had a lot of potential to be at least half interesting as gaon lol but no it didn’t happen lol
I am so frustrated with the Soohyun hate lol If the writer could have written her character actually based on her setting and description people won't hate her. She actually is an ace detective, she actually cares for Elijah, she is supposed to be smart, warmth, treat everyone equally, strong and caring. If they could have just given her one more minute to showcase she took care of Elijah and called for back up, locked the car, but something still happens and she even saved Elijah, and Yohan arrived - he can still be mad at the gangs and still bring him to court. Without the whole Soohyun being reckless tropes the plot will still move normally. Soohyun became a comparison to highlight how Yohan's character is perfect yet we sacrificed everyone else (in terms of character's charming points)
My only complain to this drama is the writer and director tried to highlight yohan's charm and perfect and strong way too much in places that could have let the other characters shine. A drama isn't good when only the main lead shines. WHY THEY NEED TO MAKE YOHAN THE ONLY ONE SAVING EVERYONE'S ASS EVERY SINGLE TIME WHEN IT WASN'T NECESSARY based on the characters backgrounds lol. I had so much issue with Taxi Driver also because of this lol.
Gaon got a lot of hate too before they showed a little bit of his past and people still think he's dumb til now when he is not. He's just not a spy? lol When he does legal investigation he's very very good at it too, and as a judge he can analyze materials so well. In his character he even supposed to be good at fighting. Why does Yohan needs to come and beat 95% of the gang when they could have at least show Soohyun and Gaon were able to handle the gang, but the guy tried to escape, Yohan came to fight TOGETHER with Gaon while Soohyun go to catch that guy, and Yohan maybe beating 65% while Gaon beats the rest? LOL The show would have been so much cooler than just Yohan being the only savior.
I am so sad, like why are the writers doing this to HER!! She is freaking cop and her character description is…
Which is why its the writer's fault. Her character supposed to ACTUALLY cares for Elijah. But the writer failed to execute that into her actual actions.
I love seeing Gaon eager to do something but in the end Yohan still the one who actually do it 🥰🥰
Actually I hate it so much lol It's almost the only complain I have for this show. It didn't need to be. The director and writer didn't need to ALWAYS use Gaon as a comparison to highlight how good Yohan is LOL They intentionally weakened Gaon and Soohyun's roles for no good reason when in the character descriptions they supposed to be strong enough to handle some of these situations themselves without Yohan lol
Like explain to me how is Soohyun and Gaon won't be able to handle those gangs when both of their characters are said to be good fighters to begin with lol
It's so funny how Ga on can never do a single thing but put lot of efforts! At the end of the day Yohan is the…
Gaon actually did a lot tho lol When it's about things that he is actually trained for? He's just not a spy nor good at playing the dirty game at first but he learns fast didn't he? Otherwise, he can investigate (legally) and analyze things really well and fast. He sees through Yohan's actions and emotions. After reading Yohan's cases he immediately captured the essence of Yohan's plan was from anger and years of planning just not knowing what actually happened. At the trial framing the guy as a nerd was all his own doing without Yohan as well? lol
It's not hate it's more like annoyance. In the beginning she was this badass police officer but recent episodes…
It's a bit different to me. Because Soohyun's character itself shouldn't have been like this. She is supposed to be the ace detective and she was kicking ass. Like for god's sake she and gaon totally could have been able to beat those gangs out themselves given how the characters were supposed to be (I mean if Yohan can beat all those people himself Soohyun at her worst could have been able to beat at least half lol) And how is the ace detective not calling for back up and at least lock the car before she runs to the gangs LOL??? If her character has been written based on the setting people won't hate her. = hating how the writer executes her role.
Hating her character: the writer executes everything right and all the details and actions are based on how the character supposed to be. So it was just the setting of the character originally sucks lol
Of course she is disappointed. She herself is a very righteous person too. She wants the process to be legal and results to be good. She once thought Yohan is someone who can do the right thing to achieve the right result. Turns out he isn't. He puts on shows for political reasons and he bribes. As a judge herself she of course cannot agree to that. Laws is what they studied and practiced their whole career and even judge other people on and determine another person's life, judge must be non-biased and neutral at all time. (You can't be a criminal yourself to judge and sentence other criminals right?)
No one ever shared with her that Seonah is a bad person. Seonah tricked and manipulated her into thinking she is good and will make a chance in the foundation. Seonah knows what makes her click and honestly Yohan could have just shared with Jinjoo that Seonah isn't a good person but he didn't. You can't blame Jinjoo for wanting to be going up (why shouldn't she? Because she's a woman she deserved to be just a right hand person and never the top?) especially when she thinks Yohan doesn't deserve it and she is the one who truly cares for the victims and using the right legal process.
I don't get ppl who think that the crying scene was too dramatic, The fact that the person who killed his parents…
???? there are people who think that way?? lol what are they on?? Gaon was ready to kill the guy and then kill himself, he hid his anger all these years because of the love Soohyun and professor gave him and the fact that he believes (just as all the other victims) the system has already given them the justice they deserved. And once he realized that justice was never there, his entire world and value was shattered. The 13 years of his anger and sadness call cramped into this single moment. He is angry, he feels ridiculous, he is sad, and he is more angry. The moment requires this much emotion and how is that crying scene was too dramatic lol
In the show Gaon seems like be not "smart" but in the writer's original story, he is all of the ordinary people, who aren't heroes (I mean, admit it, there's no batman in real world with that much money and good heart and skills that are willing to go that far for justice), only if we are all like him, who evaluate ourselves and our actions, then we can actually make a change.
(This is what the writer wrote in his remarks basically).
Of coz, the drama isn't able to show this part off well because they made Yohan's character a literal angel lol...
Recently the original script book preview came out. It explained a lot more on what the writer's POVs.
I think originally Yohan and Gaon's character would be more equal. The pieces of the original script revealed a lot of details about both of their characters that made them make more sense.
For example:
- It was Yohan who blew up Gaon's house at ep5. Both Sunah and Yohan wanted to blow it up and Yohan did it one step faster. Gaon already left but Yohan wanted him to come back that's why he blew his house up.
- Gaon reviewed the past 3 years of Yohan's cases, and all the cases were sus. The witness will suddenly come out or suddenly the defendant would change and admit their own crimes. Etc. There were legit reasons to why Gaon was actually investigating.
Little details like these made Gaon's character way more logical (he didn't just stay at the house for nothing / he actually has a legit reason to be sus at Yohan / Yohan isn't the "glorified" version like what we see right now but actually as crazy as (or more) than Sunah, etc.)
From the original writer intent, Yohan really IS the devil lol He wanted to show people only if you look at your own action and question yourself if what you are doing is truly right and justice, then you won't become like Yohan/prof/foundation/public. Gaon is truly the "light" because writer sees him as US, ordinary people, who aren't heroes and CAN actually make a change in the system. He also wants all viewers to be like Gaon, always questioning, doubting, making mistakes, angry, but never lose compassion and good faith lol
- It was Yohan who blew up Gaon's house at ep5. Both Sunah and Yohan wanted to blow it up and Yohan did it one step faster. Gaon already left but Yohan wanted him to come back that's why he blew his house up.
- Gaon reviewed the past 3 years of Yohan's cases, and all the cases were sus. The witness will suddenly come out or suddenly the defendant would change and admit their own crimes. Etc. There were legit reasons to why Gaon were actually investigating.
Little details like these made Gaon's character way more logical (he didn't just stay at the house for nothing / he actually has a legit reason to be sus at Yohan / Yohan isn't the "glorified" version like what we see right now but actually as crazy as (or more) than Sunah, etc.)
I wish there's an English version of the script book LOL
And honestly, the child actress of Ashin was so phenomenal there was a part of me didn’t want her to grow up. I could watch her all 1.5 hours.
But honestly I don’t think the writer is discriminating against female characters lol it’s just because there are only two main male characters in the story and they were meant t be the two leads so by default with the story they both have a lot of screen time lol Some of these things happen on Gaon’s role too (like intentionally weakening him). We learned what happened to gaon’s family but we don’t even see him with his parents once in the memories. All it takes was 30 sec screen time LOL
Cha + Seonah are being written with some good details given their screen time.
I just think writer aren’t the strongest in giving details to characters in the plot (he has really good intentions to the roles but couldn’t show it)
My only complain to this drama is the writer and director tried to highlight yohan's charm and perfect and strong way too much in places that could have let the other characters shine. A drama isn't good when only the main lead shines. WHY THEY NEED TO MAKE YOHAN THE ONLY ONE SAVING EVERYONE'S ASS EVERY SINGLE TIME WHEN IT WASN'T NECESSARY based on the characters backgrounds lol. I had so much issue with Taxi Driver also because of this lol.
Gaon got a lot of hate too before they showed a little bit of his past and people still think he's dumb til now when he is not. He's just not a spy? lol When he does legal investigation he's very very good at it too, and as a judge he can analyze materials so well. In his character he even supposed to be good at fighting. Why does Yohan needs to come and beat 95% of the gang when they could have at least show Soohyun and Gaon were able to handle the gang, but the guy tried to escape, Yohan came to fight TOGETHER with Gaon while Soohyun go to catch that guy, and Yohan maybe beating 65% while Gaon beats the rest? LOL The show would have been so much cooler than just Yohan being the only savior.
Like explain to me how is Soohyun and Gaon won't be able to handle those gangs when both of their characters are said to be good fighters to begin with lol
Hating her character: the writer executes everything right and all the details and actions are based on how the character supposed to be. So it was just the setting of the character originally sucks lol
No one ever shared with her that Seonah is a bad person. Seonah tricked and manipulated her into thinking she is good and will make a chance in the foundation. Seonah knows what makes her click and honestly Yohan could have just shared with Jinjoo that Seonah isn't a good person but he didn't. You can't blame Jinjoo for wanting to be going up (why shouldn't she? Because she's a woman she deserved to be just a right hand person and never the top?) especially when she thinks Yohan doesn't deserve it and she is the one who truly cares for the victims and using the right legal process.