And someone explain to me the 5 minute kiss between Lian and Kuea at the club, in front of all their friends,…
Public kissing= Fanservice
Kuea lies because the perfectly normal things he's chosen not to disclose are the kinds of things he has been raised to think fall under "Not behaving" and he wants acceptance and love. He's got major trust issues and even bigger self worth issues. Both of which Kuea's parents and Lian have helped him cultivate.
Lian lies because he feels the need to manipulate literally every situation. He can't help himself. Even the proposal was a manipulation. Hence it being in public in front of a huge crowd of people Kuea doesn't know. And Lian doesn't just lie, he wrangles other people into lying for him. Jay, Yi, even Diao. All to control Kuea.
Yi lies because he's a fucking idiot Himbo who listens to Lian about how relationships should work.
Diao lies out of exhaustion because it's just easier to lie than to deal with the idiots.
And shhhh... Apparently we're not supposed to point out how the plot makes no sense.
One of the reasons why people criticize/hate this series is because of toxic characters & relationship. But why…
TharnType was eviscerated in its day, every bit as much as it was loved. And I'm not sure what other popular shows you feel are as toxic as CP but which are being given a pass by the people calling out Cutie Pie's toxicity, but if I'm watching it and I see toxicity that is given improper context, then I call it out.
And that's the key distinction. It's not about the toxicity in and of itself. Toxic characters in storytelling are not an automatic NO and many people who have criticized CP have said this, myself included. It's not the toxicity that is the problem, it's how that toxicity is framed and contextualized within the story. In TharnType the toxic behaviors were often (though not quite always) framed as unhealthy and indeed, the relationship as a whole was contextualized as this imperfect situation where the people involved were doing their best to grow and leave behind their toxicity. However, in Cutie Pie, its toxic characters are framed as romantic and "in the right". The victims of the toxic behavior are referred to as "naughty". The framing of the toxic behavior in CP normalizes it through romanticizing it, essentially glorifying these destructive approaches to relationships.
Even if all this weren't the case, you don't excuse one bad fish by pointing out all the other bad fish that escaped notice.
Some people say they see no toxicity in the series and that there are other series, such as TharnType, which were…
You packed a lot of solid message into a much shorter post than I could have accomplished it in. And I agree with you completely.
It got to the point with Cutie Pie where there was so many toxic behaviors that listing them was an enormous chore and it was just easier for me to be frustrated some people couldn't see them. So I rolled with that instead. Early on the laundry list of offenses though... Whew!
Also, I know people claim TharnType never got called out but TharnType got blasted back in the day. It still gets blasted. Besides which, even if TharnType did escape criticism, you don't claim one problematic story is okay just because a past one missed being called to account. As you said, we're growing as audiences. And the industry reflects that with more stories in which glorification of unhealthy relationships is a thing of the past.
I think for Tofu, so long as Nut was happy and safe, that was all that mattered. His sense of self was grounded…
I totally understand you. If I myself was in charge of the story, Tofu would have been with Nat as a human. That's what the heart wants. And of course, I love happy endings for characters, especially when they've had a long and wild road to travel to get to the end.
But I don't think Tofu's sexual desire for Nat, or his jealousy or his fear were the moments in which he was most human or most complex. I think the most human thing he could ever do is give his life up for another. Sacrificing for the better of others is the biggest most complex decision we make as humans because it requires overcoming the mechanics of animal instinct to survive, as well as overcoming the immature inclination to put our desires and well being ahead of the best interests of others.
It doesn't feel great, though. Not to an audience who wanted Tofu and Nat to be together. So I get it.
LOL I will forgive you for not mentioning DunBas. But I'm watching you. So be very careful.
It feels a lot like season 1 Gen Y in terms of pace and drama. And yeah, much better directed than Gen Y 2.
I worked all this out when I noticed that La Cuisine had the same director as Gen Y. So I went looking for stills from the filming and other info. All of which indicated they were filmed overlapping. And so I kept digging and verified their production schedules overlapped. You can't film two shows at the same time. So one of the dramas had to have been directed by a fill-in. And La Cuisine feels far more like this director's work than Gen Y 2 does. The writing is kind of on the wall.
I really hope it won't be directed by the same person as Gen Y 2. He gave Dun and Bas absolutely zero personality…
Somehow I missed answering your remark about a cat slave. A cat slave is, by the author's own definition, someone who is just obsessed with being a good cat owner. To the point that they go way above and beyond the call of duty to take care of the animal and please it.
LOL I will forgive you for not mentioning DunBas. But I'm watching you. So be very careful.
Oh honey, I not only have plans to watch it, I'm the primary one updating the MDL page and if you check over there, I posted an accurate plot setup.
My Lucky Cat.
And yes, the script and director were to blame for the problems, not lack of chemistry between Dun and Bas. There is every indication the director listed for season 2 was the one that signed off on the drama but that it was actually directed by a junior, anonymous director as a fill in while the official director was off filming La Cuisine. They filmed at the same time and the same director is listed for both project. Once I worked this out, I was not surprised season 2 felt so unlike season 1.
LOL I will forgive you for not mentioning DunBas. But I'm watching you. So be very careful.
Yes, I do. It's cool that others don't care for them. I'm just messing with Tylr J. Season 2 certainly had it's weird moments as a production. But I still love them. Honestly, it's rooted in the fact that it's DunBas. Whom I will watch in anything. They could literally have an HGTV program where they decorate houses with cow shit and I would watch it.
And I never behave. Kuea needs to be more like me. I would have refused the marriage proposal and stolen a bottle of Champagne on the way out.
Or...maybe forgetting shit is just what these writers do. They forgot the rest of the plot, for damn sure.
Kuea lies because the perfectly normal things he's chosen not to disclose are the kinds of things he has been raised to think fall under "Not behaving" and he wants acceptance and love. He's got major trust issues and even bigger self worth issues. Both of which Kuea's parents and Lian have helped him cultivate.
Lian lies because he feels the need to manipulate literally every situation. He can't help himself. Even the proposal was a manipulation. Hence it being in public in front of a huge crowd of people Kuea doesn't know. And Lian doesn't just lie, he wrangles other people into lying for him. Jay, Yi, even Diao. All to control Kuea.
Yi lies because he's a fucking idiot Himbo who listens to Lian about how relationships should work.
Diao lies out of exhaustion because it's just easier to lie than to deal with the idiots.
And shhhh... Apparently we're not supposed to point out how the plot makes no sense.
And that's the key distinction. It's not about the toxicity in and of itself. Toxic characters in storytelling are not an automatic NO and many people who have criticized CP have said this, myself included. It's not the toxicity that is the problem, it's how that toxicity is framed and contextualized within the story. In TharnType the toxic behaviors were often (though not quite always) framed as unhealthy and indeed, the relationship as a whole was contextualized as this imperfect situation where the people involved were doing their best to grow and leave behind their toxicity. However, in Cutie Pie, its toxic characters are framed as romantic and "in the right". The victims of the toxic behavior are referred to as "naughty". The framing of the toxic behavior in CP normalizes it through romanticizing it, essentially glorifying these destructive approaches to relationships.
Even if all this weren't the case, you don't excuse one bad fish by pointing out all the other bad fish that escaped notice.
It got to the point with Cutie Pie where there was so many toxic behaviors that listing them was an enormous chore and it was just easier for me to be frustrated some people couldn't see them. So I rolled with that instead. Early on the laundry list of offenses though... Whew!
Also, I know people claim TharnType never got called out but TharnType got blasted back in the day. It still gets blasted. Besides which, even if TharnType did escape criticism, you don't claim one problematic story is okay just because a past one missed being called to account. As you said, we're growing as audiences. And the industry reflects that with more stories in which glorification of unhealthy relationships is a thing of the past.
But I don't think Tofu's sexual desire for Nat, or his jealousy or his fear were the moments in which he was most human or most complex. I think the most human thing he could ever do is give his life up for another. Sacrificing for the better of others is the biggest most complex decision we make as humans because it requires overcoming the mechanics of animal instinct to survive, as well as overcoming the immature inclination to put our desires and well being ahead of the best interests of others.
It doesn't feel great, though. Not to an audience who wanted Tofu and Nat to be together. So I get it.
I worked all this out when I noticed that La Cuisine had the same director as Gen Y. So I went looking for stills from the filming and other info. All of which indicated they were filmed overlapping. And so I kept digging and verified their production schedules overlapped. You can't film two shows at the same time. So one of the dramas had to have been directed by a fill-in. And La Cuisine feels far more like this director's work than Gen Y 2 does. The writing is kind of on the wall.
My Lucky Cat.
And yes, the script and director were to blame for the problems, not lack of chemistry between Dun and Bas. There is every indication the director listed for season 2 was the one that signed off on the drama but that it was actually directed by a junior, anonymous director as a fill in while the official director was off filming La Cuisine. They filmed at the same time and the same director is listed for both project. Once I worked this out, I was not surprised season 2 felt so unlike season 1.
Patrollin' and tryna catch me ridin' Cutie...