BadPenny

Yeah, and Lian's infantilist treatment of Kuea is just part of the filling in the whole abusive cannoli.

For me it's about time. I don't go on Youtube to leave long reviews or critical comments. I just don't have time to do it both places. So I watch Cutie Pie on Youtube's platform but I roast it here. *shrugs* I'd roast it on Youtube too, if I had all day to respond to the fan-rage and indignation in both places.

ROFL! You just iterated the first thing that came out of my mouth when I saw episode 1. I literally was "WTF! Did I fall through a time vortex?". And some (not all) of the toxic BL's in the past at least had SOME context to indicate the behavior was bad. Here it's just "part of the fun of their romance". Blech.

Thailand has a split problem. A general modernity bent and a culture of "it exists, we should embrace it" along side the idea that "just because it exists doesn't mean we have to accept it" and a patrimony system that exists counter to the advancement of same sex marriage. And the sides of course culture war.

While overall polling of Thai people indicates marriage equality is accepted in large, their government is conservative and keeps overturning attempts to pass marriage equality rulings. It's been presented before their legislative branch again, very recently. Thankfully, each time Thailand comes inches closer to passing it.

On a more practical level, Thailand has an enormous problem with male violence in general among youths. And homosexuality becomes a hot button "excuse" to bully in many cases. So the problem, as it always is, is multilayered and has to be approached from several directions to resolve it.

Bl's are argued by some to be a normalizing component in Thai culture, but honestly they're not. They're largely a media form created to appeal to straight women and sadly the value to Thailand's LGBT community is negligible because BL's don't actually reflect gay culture. Stories like this one don't help either.

Yeah, the whole show is kind of a "how to not" do healthy relationships. Episode 6 Lian isn't less toxic, he's just moved onto gaslighting and habituation. Super noooooo.

And the reasons why he acts this way, the reasons we're supposed to just "understand" (without reading the book) seems missing.

That song is "Just Being Friendly" by the Tilly Birds. I am a huge fan of theirs and I was kind of dead upset that one of their songs ended up in this trashy show. But I will admit New did an okay cover.

The original features a female guest artist named MILLI. It's sort of a duet.

Go find it on Youtube. The original rocks out! And if you like it check out other Tilly Birds songs. They just came out with new stuff. Their song "Until Then"... OMG.

Still irrelevant to the argument at hand other than to indicate he was in fact drunk.

Whether Nuea took Toh to the room to sleep it off is irrelevant. That's not what he did. He took him to the room and got sexy with him.

I can ask six people who have been drinking well passed the point of intoxication how sober they feel and each one runs the good chance of telling me they feel perfectly fit. This is why we have so many people get behind the wheel while drunk. Because judgement about their own fitness is impaired. This is a no-brainer. Drunk people are the least able to tell how drunk they are. Therefore Nuea's question to Toh about how he feels is not at all an indicator of whether he's actually drunk. He obviously was clearly still intoxicated. Waking up, not that he was really even half awake, does not equal sober. Nor does any of the other things Toh did. And all your arguments ignore the moment when Toh gasps in surprise and jerks away from Nuea in shock because he just came around to Nuea's hand rubbing his dick. (I helpfully provided a time stamp for that one.)

And they did not "legit have a full conversation". That exchange wasn't a full conversation by any metric. You can excuse the circumstances away to cover the fact that you liked the non-consent. Plenty of people get off on the trope of drunk/drugged sex. Just own it. Because honestly your excuses will consistently fail to change the fact that Toh was too intoxicated to consent. Clearly.

Thank you! Iam so pleased you enjoy them!

If you don't like our posts don't read them. Reading and then omplaining about posts you don't like...hmmm, by your own logic that's just dumb. Move onto the next post.

"Like if not for that, violating someone's privacy would have been okay. "

You just won the internet.

OMFG! I know! This shit should not have an 8.3. But such is the nature of BL fetishism.

Even so, there are two reasons I am still even here. One, I need to give this thing a proper roasting when it's over and I've that completionist idiot that insists on having all the deets. And two, leaving weekly reviews at least gives me something to do in the mean time and offers alternative, and to some entertaining, alternatives to the great wall of "Awwww! Cute!".

Plus, part of me is just dogged about finishing what I start. Although man, that part of me gave up on episode 2.

Okay, this episode was wow....

I am not sure where to even begin. So in a day, maybe two, when I've digested all the bullshit from this ep I am going to drop a detailed breakdown of this week's vortex of awful. Because I finally feel like the show is headed in a way where the toxicity isn't less, but it IS more nuanced and what looks like growth actually isn't. So there's at least that for me to dig into.

In the mean time I am calling this episode Lian's Thesis. Intro to Gaslighting: 101.

I did have some feels for Yi this time though. So they're at least getting my attention there. I'll post more later, when I can think about this ep without wanting to chuck my keyboard through a window at the thought of talking about it.

hahah! Yes. And man, today's episode did NOT change my mind on this.

So when the scene moves back to Nuea and Toh, Toh is very groggy. He's obviously not fully awake and due to the affects of the mushrooms (still rolling my eyes at the fact that it was mushrooms) this means he's easily defined as functionally drunk. He's even smooshing his words a bit. It's pretty cut and dry. He eventually rolls sideways, his head on Nuea's shoulder, facing Nuea. Then Toh very clearly falls back into an even less coherent state. This isn't uncommon with drunk/drugged/chemically impaired people.

At about 4:28 Nuea's hand starts sneaking down and it's not Toh leading it there. Toh's hand is on Nuea's forearm, but the lights in that wacky bakery are dimmed. This is all in Nuea's hands. *Ahem.* Literally. And then Nuea is obviously rubbing Toh off.

At 4:53/4:54 Toh makes a sudden, surprised intake of breath. It's clearly a sound of shock. He has obviously just suddenly reached a different threshold of wakefulness, and has woken to find Nuea's hand on his dick. At this point Toh jumps away from Nuea. I still would NOT make the call at this point that Toh is actually sober. Drunkenness doesn't work that way. It's not a switch you flip. But at this point he's at least aware enough that he pulled back in shock. This means he did not know or consent to anything that Nuea was doing before. Moments before, he was utterly not at home and the lights were NOT on'.

And Nuea knew it.

This doesn't mean everything that happened after and up until the fade to black was consensual either. Because again, Toh was still too drunk to consent even if he "thought it was a good idea" to make out. Fact, it's not okay to sexually engage someone who is drunk because they can't consent. I will say this as many times as it takes. Even if they are looking you dead in the eye and saying "Dude, gimme that good dick" you tell them nicely to ask again tomorrow when they haven't been drinking and then you set water and some Advil nearby and tuck them the fuck in.

If the creators of the show intended for us to think that Toh was sober for the sex then they wouldn't have had him do the shrooms in the first place. But instead they went to the trouble to alter canon from the book in interpreting the scene to emphasize that Toh was legitimately impaired. Drugged/drunk sex is a popular, if creepy as fuck, BL kink trope and they were aiming straight for it.

I'll go see if I can get a time stamp.

But that being said "Toh was talking just before that" means exactly nothing when it comes to being sober enough to consent. I feel like this scene should have been pretty clear cut.

I think we might be misunderstanding each other. Which happens.

Even if I felt that Toh was sober once he woke, which I didn't, That is a different issue than what Nuea did when Toh was unconscious.

While Toh was unconscious, BEFORE he seemed to come around to some (still impaired) level of consciousness, Nuea was touching him very inappropriately. That is when Nuea was rubbing Toh's junk.

It isn't that nuanced. I sat with a group of friends and down to the last one we all agreed that Toh was out cold when Nuea started touching him and that the motions Nuea was making with his hand under the blanket were meant to be read as him rubbing Toh 's dick.

And I was an ER nurse for years. I know exactly what informed consent looks like legally and morally. I've also looked up consent requirements under numerous penal codes in other places. And yes, informed consent almost unilaterally does require you to be sober.

Weaponizing your trauma in a debate doesn't suddenly make the facts of the issue go away. Any halfway decent cop, nurse or victim's advocate will tell you, yes, sobriety is a constituent of consent. Plus. I don't fold under the "my trauma wins" card.

I'm not prone to worrying about what other people think about things, especially not on twitter. 50 Shades of Grey trended on twitter for ages. It still sucked balls. Twitter is as big a mess of crazy as MDL, maybe bigger.