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The way the characters are suffering and we’re just loving every bit of it lol, all jokes aside, I’m glad that the series has changed it so that VegasPete are better understood as a pair/couple, as you were saying about yourself. I think I’d start balling my eyes out if either Pete or Vegas reveal their feelings openly to one another, I’d be prepared and still now I want it

Yes and to also bear the weight of realising that, whilst previously Pete would have gladly died out of honor, duty and pride, now he wants to die because of Vegas, and that would be the worst outcome of all. Bible is indeed incredible

Exactlyy, and thank you :D

Sure ^^ so i just send it by message right, how do i send a video tho?

You’re so adorable for taking the time to answer, especially since my comment was really long!!
I like that you mention Pete’s tattoo which really does come back time and time again as the essence of what drives Pete as a character as you said. And yeah, I’d agree that Porsche is definitely more pure-hearted in a sense, whereas Pete hides an inner darkness. Yet they’re also oddly similar such as in the bathroom scene where Pete keeps everything to himself, similarly to how Porsche did in episode 5.
“Death no, but I want conflict!” Truer words have never been spoken. I think it’s because this series is incredibly adept at portraying and developing conflict. Sure there is a tad bit of sloppiness in the writing here and there but the conflict really enthralls you in a way that feels like you’re dealing with real people, not characters, which says a lot. On the other hand, a series like Unforgotten Night makes me roll my eyes at the “conflict” because it’s unnecessary and frustrating, adding nothing significant to the plot nor exploring the characters meaningfully. They just waste a ton of screen time.
But yes, im so excited for the final episode but scared its going to end

Ps: hope the coffee was good

Rating bl dramas from this year:

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Rating bl dramas from this year (pt.2):

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Seeing if anyone agrees

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I just love the moment when Pete tells Vegas that he’s got nothing left, not even his humanity. You can see the shift in Vegas’ change in expression, when the realisation hits him, and how it quickly overwhelms him. I also like how Pete continues on to describe his psychological state, step by step, and how it’s almost like Vegas, the abuser in this context, is let in on the mental state of his victim (Pete), to the point where he can barely even listen. Vegas even attempts to stop him, but in vain, as Pete’s words continue to flow freely, coming out of him - because he can’t retain it within him anymore - and how this is expressed visually with Pete’s presence seemingly dominating and making Vegas withdraw in the scene.

Yup, to the point where Vegas previously felt like he couldn’t express anything outside of that stereotypical view of himself

I can see what you mean by liking the pain of TMS2, it had that element of realness to it that isn’t always present within the romance genre, in that sense it’s very refreshing but then also harder to absorb it, there’s something pleasurable about that too on the other hand.

Exactly for second seasons. Truth be told I STILL haven’t watched I promised you the moon, I’ve been spoiled of everything and yet I’m still hesitating lol. One day in five years or so I’ll have watched it smh. And yep, they changed the actors for the second season, which was fine to me at first because the new actor plays a new character but then the plot line was so messy and not even a bl really in the end because the ML obviously couldn’t reciprocate the feelings of the other character. So that kind of ruined the story as a whole.

Nooo, to think that we can only reminisce about Kinnporsche in the upcoming days, weeks and months or even years until a second seaso comes out. That’s going to be tough esp as my expectations for BLs but also romance series in general are getting higher by the day, it’s going to be hard to find others that I will thoroughly enjoy throughout. I relate to what you said about the individual episodes, it’s funny to see that we had a similar reaction to the same ones at that. Nice

And same here ^^

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What the characters are associated with vs what they ought to be more like

Yeah i tend to go into rants oups

Thoughts on VegasPete EP13: (initially just wrote this for myself but then I wanted to share so here it is)

I was thinking of the parallel of the first scene where vegas looks like he’s about to kill Pete and Pete seems joyous vs when Vegas threatens to kill him again ‘for real this time’ (to me he was just trying to scare him tho) but this time, whilst Pete does not back down from possibly dying, he is full of sorrow. Back then (ep 11), Pete thought that if he died in the hands of Vegas, loyal to the main family, and not giving in to Vegas, he would die victorious and purposeful as if he didn’t let himself succum to Vegas’ torture = possibly a symbol of corruption/deceit/immorality,. Which Pete thus wins against or escapes from (this inner wish perhaps to still be ‘good’, he has said that he thinks there are no heroes or villains in this world but I feel that he still innately wishes he could be seen as a force of goodness, of heroism). Pete is a character that’s very conscious of the mechanisms of the world, and is very self-aware otherwise. That’s also what allows him to empathize with Vegas in comparison to how I’d imagine Porsche dealing with Vegas – Porsche is empathetic but he’s not cynical like Kim/Vegas nor is he that knowledgeable/introspective in the way Pete is. He probably sees the world a little more black and white, which is why he initially associates the mafia to ‘bad acts’ like kidnapping and killing innocent people whilst also assuming that people wouldn’t go out of their way to bring harm to him unless he had done something to them (like in ep 5 after Vegas nearly raped him, the next morning he asks Kinn why anyone would come after him like that when he’s done nothing to them -> he’s more naive and thinks more simply).

Pete is different : highly emotionally intelligent and perceptive. He knows why Vegas is the way he is and can detect the intentions (whether conscious or subconscious) behind his actions, Pete himself mentions how he feels that Vegas is only using him as emotional projection rather that as a person, or a romantic partner (in love, people must respect each other as equals or else it isn’t love but falls into other categories like attachment, obsession, and so on…). Pete is developping romantic feelings for Vegas but, seeing that Vegas chained him again after the sex scene, he feels that he’s reverted back into a pet, an empty body that’s used as a venting machine. Again, he says this himself in the last episode when he angrily points at the handcuff on his wrist (“then what is this ?!”) and then when he literally mentions that he’s ‘human’ and ‘has feelings’.
Perhaps, all along, Pete was trying to humanise Vegas, and to him, the sex scene (when he was also unchained, and therefore, a free being) was a sign of growth. That it was a sign of a mutual feeling of respect toward one another that made Pete feel accomplished, as though he was able to finally have a purpose : be someone of importance to someone else (even if platonically as I dont believe that it was romantic even during or after the sex scene), but also helping someone, genuinely. However, with the handcuff back on his wrist, and seeing Vegas not only brush off Pete’s words of concern but also going back to his violent ways, it’s no wonder that it was Pete’s breaking point. Whilst he was trying to humanise Vegas, Vegas was still dehumanising him. And then, whilst Pete had lost his sense of decency/dignity, his virginity (symbolic of innocence), his ability to get Vegas to open up to be able to comfort him, and even his humanity, he felt like he had nothing left.

Whilst captured, Pete’s purpose (and perhaps, in the end, the reason why he decided to stay) shifted to being there for Vegas in one way or another because he felt that Vegas needed him. Truly needed him, sincerely, as a person he could rely on and mutually share vulnerabilities with. That is why Pete had stayed, but Vegas’ ‘relapse’ into violence (which he had abstained from before the sex scene, at the time, a sign of potential, of change and evolution), crushed everything. His resurfaced violence only meant this to Pete : Vegas doesn’t need him, and never has, and if Pete stays by Vegas’ side, he will gradually lose all sense of self, and not have any significance. Because if Pete isn’t seen as an individual, a person, a human, by Vegas, then Pete is just a tool, like the many Vegas has in his room. He’s just replaceable. With this realisation, Pete’s purpose, to ‘save’ Vegas (which to me, is also equivalent at that point in time, to Pete ‘saving’ himself, as in an abstract sense, like his inner child) is gone.

It’s also why, when Vegas points a knife to Pete’s neck, threatening to kill him, Pete encourages it like he did previously, but this time around, he expresses deep sadness both when Vegas holds the knife and when he himself does. Even Vegas is taken aback by this, interpreting this initially as Pete acting to receive pity and to avoid being killed, but when Pete takes the knife from him to the point of making his hand bleed and being on the verge of slicing his own throat with it, Vegas quickly realises that he is being dead serious. However, now, dying doesn’t provide Pete any relief nor satisfaction. Pete is on the verge of crying, not laughing, because dying is desirable, yes, but now it’s painful, because he’s dying without a cause, without meaning. Pete only wants to die because he can’t bear to live, not because there is any purpose to his death.
Pete’s choice to live and escape, to me, shows that, despite everything, he still has a slim hope to have some kind of usefulness to someone as a person In this case, going back to serve Tankhun as a bodyguard (even if, as a bodyguard, he is still a tool, at least he is treated as an individual with feelings by the others, like Tankhun and Porsche). That’s Pete’s only remaining purpose in his eyes. It’s that refusal to die without worth that leads him to the decision, even at the expense of Vegas’ wellbeing and his own feelings.

Pete is currently wallowing in a state of distress, of inner confusion, and is overwhelmed because his heart is messing with his head. It’s like he feels betrayed by Vegas in a way, for using something as intimate as sex as a form of venting (so Pete being used like an object) rather than what Pete may have previously imagined, that they were having sex as equals who find comfort in each other, which was then trampled on with the reappearance of the handcuf. The chains assert the opposite of everything he had fought against: they represent a power dynamic, a power imbalance at play between them. That Pete is a possession. With this in mind, we can think of this shift as Pete associating Vegas to a source that will corrupt him and turn him into nothingness, his deepest fear. Even when he is back with the main family, Pete is in turmoil because of the clash between his values that determine his essence (the need for fulfilment) and his positive emotions toward Vegas.

If we look at it from that perspective, that Pete sees Vegas’ act (putting the handcuff back on him) as a betrayal, it may also explain Pete’s rage toward him in the later scene when they meet again in Yok’s bar. I don’t believe he would have acted this way had he left back when the hedgehog died. He would have been vigilant of course, but not so angry to the point of possibly shooting Vegas and breaking down in front of him. I think that, perhaps, the sex scene is symbolic of Pete giving his all to Vegas : his trust, his vulnerabilities, his courage and fears, his ‘freakishness’, his (naked) true self. Especially because Pete assimilates kissing in particular (and physical intimacy) to love. So Vegas’ actions post-sex is not only a betrayal but an insult to Pete’s existence which he laid bare to Vegas willingly, and with expectation that he would be accepted as he is (just like how he would in turn embrace Vegas as he is). Yet the handcuff is a cruel rejection of Pete, a rejection of his authentic self. Vegas realises this through Pete’s words and actions, but it’s already too late. The deed is already done.
Nevertheless, their reunion tells me that Vegas does want to see and accept Pete for who he is, and as an equal, not as some obsession or fleeting infatuation, as Vegas only apologises to Pete without pleading him not forcing him to come back. He leaves by himself, and now there’s no certain direction in which their relationship could really go, it’s all out in the open, in theory. As I mentioned, I think that Pete has great awareness about these things, so I don’t think that he’s misjudged Vegas either, I think that he definitely senses Vegas’ potential and sincerity, which is also why he gives in to him and hugs him to soothe the overwhelming despair that’s overtaken him.

But he’s conflicted. Pete may be afraid of being stuck in a loop where it appears that Vegas treats him humanely and then before long, he’s back to his old ‘habits’: his brutality. Perhaps he’s afraid of having to re-experience time and time again a loss of purpose, perhaps, it’s the uncertainty of not knowing for sure if he truly means something to Vegas. Maybe it’s because Pete’s desire to be good collides with his love for Vegas, that to love from a root of ‘evil’, of abuse, is utterly wrong and demented, which would explain his need to run away. All of these make up the reasons for Pete’s behaviour in my view. If Vegas is willing to change and shows proof of that, perhaps Pete would be able to give him a chance and love him whole-heartedly, but at the moment, he’s been stung by him. Stung so bad he can barely hold himself together. His heart is aching to an extreme, I love how it’s shown through teh characters’ whole body and facial expressions, how it seems like he is struggling to even breathe. It goes to show how much it is affecting him.

At this point, I think we may (maybe) run the risk of Vegas trading his life away for Pete’s forgiveness, a way to truthfully redeem himself to him, but that would kill off their love too soon (it’s still premature, and it is also why Pete is struggling with it so much). It’s interesting to me that Vegas could also tell that Pete was so on edge because of his growing feelings (‘and you know why…’, he says, referring to Pete not being able to shoot him because he loves him). Yet these feelings aren’t named, they’re mentioned indirectly, as though, both of them were new to the concept, confused by it, and only beginning to acknowledge it. Vegas has already become aware of his own emotions and is aware that that’s what’s going on with Pete too. This awareness that Vegas has of others has previously been used as a manipulation technique on others, but here he’s using it to express his sincerity toward Pete and also himself. I want to see more of Vegas’ intellectual gentleness coupled with his ability to empathise whilst also retaining what makes him who he is.

K, I’ll stop here haha. I rambled a lot, and maybe what I said was obvious enough but I felt like expressing it here. I hope this was interesting nonetheless :). Thank you to anyone who read this far <3

That’s right, yeah, I haven’t read the novel so my predictions could be so off xD (then again they have been changing things up so who knows lol)

I’m hoping you’re right then haha, I mean, you’d assume there would be some closure given we’ve seen his father slapping Vegas around this season. Surely it wouldn’t continue in the second unless Vegas himself dies, but again, unlikely.

That could very well be the case yes (for Kim). I think the mystery might also be something that will disappoint Kim, especially as his father is aware afterall of his investigation (which tells me that whilst he is hiding something, it may not be as shocking as we think, or at least, whatever Kim may think it to be).Mr Korn himself hasn’t been shown to be malicious at all during the entirety of the series, which is interesting. To me, this indicates that whilst Mr.Korn is definitely not innocent, I don’t think he is so awful as to merit dying in Porsche’s hands. i think the father may be more like Kim himself in the end, calculating but not ill-intentioned either.

And same :D

Neat xD
I did actually appreciate that the second season was dedicated to unraveling Jiwoo’s insecurities and unpacking the fears that both MLs had that had caused the relationship to fall apart. I tend to be a suspicious about this trope usually because it can sometimes be about unnecessary drama that didn’t need to be there. On example being Color Rush Season 2. But with TMS, we had already seen hints of Jiwoo’ personality that indicated that he was prone to such insecurities and behaviour, and I still remember wishing back then that they would have explored him a bit more, so the second season was timely :)

I had the same reaction for episode 13 actually. I think that’s happened to me a couple of times now with kinnporsche. The first time was with episode 5, seeing the happy-go-lucky- Porsche shift to a lifeless, traumatised shell for a while, showing his aloneness as he couldn’t rely on anyone emotionally. That really had an effect on me. Then ep 7 with the breathtaking and cinematic sex scene between Kinn and Porsche which was emblematic of the pain and desire that at that point made up their relationship. Finally ep 12 and 13 both had quite a hold on me because of how they nailed the heavy scenes between VegasPete.

Nice haha, what would you rate kinnporsche actually? im curious
And for TMS2 I did tear up during in the final episode when Jiwoo asked Seo Joon to hug him as it was nice to see him make the effort this time around to reach him (and damn dehydration ehfjfjwh, that’s me with vegaspete ngl)

Yh of course! Thx ^^

Ouh nice, I’d be interested in reading your review once the series ends then, it’s going to be hard to wait for the second season, especially knowing how long it could take. We’ll have to be patient T.T.

I also think something could possibly happen to Vegas but knowing that there is a second season reassures me as I doubt they would kill Vegas so soon after building up Vegas and Pete’s characters and their relationship, so let’s hope for the best. Yok getting killed wouldn’t be so awkward to the narrative actually as I feel that at least one or two will die in the big battle that’s about to occur.
The thought just came to mind but, what if Vegas’ dad dies?? If Vegas does betray his father or even ends up killing him (as people are theorising the former), then the father’s death would actually be perfect to symbolise Vegas’ change as an individual. I would rather not have Mr. Korn die tho, I feel that especially if Kim takes over as leader, that it would still be too soon. However, Vegas’ father dying would in fact work very well. What’s nice about it, is that it makes for a bittersweet but satisfying outcome for the audience. We would empathise with Vegas possibly grieving as his father died after all but his death would , mean that he can start a new chapter of his life where he is no longer shackled by his father’s authority and abuse.
Also, hopefully that would mean that all of the main characters would be safe but without making the end seem to unrealistic/cheesy for a mafia story.
About the mystery Kim is investigating, I feel like it could be just about Porsche’s relation to the family to leadership/inheritance. I am curious though as to why Kim is so invested in this matter at all, considering he doesn’t necessarily want to take Kinn’s place. Maybe it’s just about sensing that his father has a secret and that he feels that he has a responsability to uncover it as a défense mechanism? It could be his way of protecting the family. That or he has always found it suspicious that Kinn is the one who was put in charge instead of Tankhun, we’ve seen that Tankhun is smart afterall. Maybe Tankhun’s kidnapping is somehow linked to the Porsche incident? Idk


And yess for VP I’m more than excited to seeing it all go down, especially as I would say that Pete is my favourite character in the series. I identify with him a lot and truth be told, I dont think I’ve seen a character like him in a long time, one that reminds me so much of myself or how I process things, someone I wish to be like even :)

Ps: hoping the ep will be at least 1h30, fingers crossed, and yes time flies by so fastt