I dont think Vegas has no interest in ppl, I think the opposite. He has too much, especially when it comes to…
Yeah, I analysed him based on the series alone so maybe the novel gives different insights on him too (I'm guessing that's what you're referencing?). I do understand your point of view though, however I feel that the interest in others that you're talking about isn't the kind of interest I'm referring to. What I really mean by him having little to no interest in others is that he's not interested in getting to know and understand someone for who they truly are. To connect with them on a personal level. He had many openings with Porsche for instance, someone who probably would try and understand him if he decided to open up, but he simply doesn't really care about that as much. On the other hand, you're right that he is way too "interested" in everyone around him, in how they could potentially become a perceived threat to him (or just someone he can use for his own benefit) or simply because of how they correlate to Kinn.
i am not so sure about the macau part.. we have seen macau feeling good in vegas' company (ep 6 car chase scene,…
That's true that Macau does seem to rely on Vegas a lot, and I think that may be because Vegas takes his defense in those kinds of situations. At the same, though, I still feel that Vegas puts on a facade with Macau too. You could see it with how he seemed concerned for him exactly in the scene where he got hurt, yet we know that Vegas is sort of unhinged. To me it seemed like an act to make Macau's injuries a bigger deal that it was, so that Kinn would have to suffer more consequences. It's a bit like how Vegas made Porsche believe that just because he gives his body guards more freedom then he "treats them better". Whereas we know that's not true. It's not hard to guess that Kinn cares about his body guards (like Big or Pete) infinite times more than Vegas does about any of his. So to me, even with Macau, he puts on this "big brother" act because, once more, Macau is another pawn. He says it himself in episode 10, he doesn't believe in "family"
I couldn’t sleep last night so I was theorising about what would make Vegas intrigued by Pete in the series. I tried to think about how Vegas has been constructed in relation to others thus far. What’s interesting about him is that he doesn’t actually have any true interest in people (with one exception, but I’ll get to that). Others are pawns to him, just like Tawan or Porsche, and we’ve seen « villains » like him in media before: ill-intentioned, manipulative characters who act out of selfish motives. In the romance genre, though, the cliche is that these villains tend to fall for a person who treats them kindly or accepts them (generally one of the ML’s love interest, so Porsche here). In Kinnporsche, Vegas’s character could have been geared toward this. In episode 5 for example, when he hugs Porsche, we were aware that he was being deceitful, but we were not yet certain just how much. Whether every one of Vegas’s behaviours and facial expressions truly was just a facade, or if he, even if minimally, did bear some form of appreciation for Porsche during these moments.
With episode 10, we got our answer. As a « villain », we’ve seen that Vegas is capable of getting people to completely drop their guard, to open up and even be ‘intimate’ with him. Yet, despite this, he doesn’t develop any affection or care for them, they’re just tools to him. You would think that maybe he would be drawn to someone charming like Porsche, who doesn’t listen to what people say about Vegas (preconceived notions of him), just trusts what he sees in front of him and judges for himself. Vegas could easily feel touched by this, given that people have pigeonholed him his whole life for belonging to the minor family - he clearly does have an inferiority complex after all (which I will get a bit into later) - but he doesn’t feel anything (based on what’s been shown). He remains nonchalant and indifferent. He isn’t swayed in the slightest, neither grateful for Porsche’s trust and friendship, nor does he even care to acknowledge Tawan’s love and dedication toward him, someone who looks past his cunning nature.
He’s also like this toward his own brother, Macau, who is technically in a similar situation than he is. Macau treats him like a brother, probably respects him as a role model and even acts as an accomplice. However, Vegas is still unfazed by this and could probably discard him if that was to be advantageous. We know this from how he talked about him to Porsche, how he sometimes feels like he deserves a beating, showing that he doesn’t share a sincere brotherhood with him. Or that, at the very least, he does not love his brother unconditionally like Porsche does for Chay, just doesn't mind him as long as he doesn't get in the way of his plans. I personally do think that Vegas is still a being that inadvertently craves warmth, which is why he did really seem immersed in his hug with Porsche (having his eyes closed for example). But this does not make him form attachments to the people he shares those moments with, and they therefore do not make him feel indebted or thankful to said people. I also think that this is partly because he's aware that the people he manipulates don't truly see him for who he is (even with Tawan's infatuation; it was based on delusion and denial), so there's nothing for him to be thankful for per se. It's like he already expects this too as a norm which is why it doesn't sadden him either. Maybe he even looks down on people who are so ready to trust him and be faithful to him, ignorantly.
This leads me to my next point. Vegas doesn't have much interest in others indeed, as he is a pretty self-centered guy, the exception being none other than with Kinn (this far in the story). Kinn exists as a target of obsession for Vegas. Everything Vegas does is pretty much linked to Kinn somehow, and, in my view, it's not just because Kinn possesses what he more superficially desires (his status, position, reputation, priviledges...). Vegas is jealous of Kinn because Kinn possesses the capacity to love wholly. The very trait that Vegas begrudges, and sneers at, literally calling Kinn "weak" for it. For someone who seemingly thinks lesser of Kinn for loving and having mercy for people, why is Vegas so desperate to crush the hope that Kinn has for others? Why is he so adamant about taking "what's his" away? Because if he can't have it, then nobody else can. Tawan logic. They're both made of similar matter after all. Vegas can't allow Kinn to love and be happy in love, because that would be the ultimate death penalty to him. He goes so far as to disobey his father's orders, gets in bed with others, and puts everything on the line pretty much, just to achieve this one goal. He feels so small next to Kinn already, he associates every one of Kinn's successes as his failure. We always desire what we cannot acquire in the end (enhypen ref anyone?). Vegas is entrapped in his own cycle of deceit, lying to others, lying to himself. Of course he wouldn't be able to connect with others authentically.
If we take all of this into account, what could get Vegas to not only feel fascination for, but also love, for Pete? His unwavering attitude and perseverance in the face of torture and possible death (revealing his loyalty as well)? Is it his compassion, how he might inquire about Vegas's emotions even after all that he's been subjected to by him? Is it because Vegas, through his venting and brutality, has never been that open to someone else without the other person either fearing him or loathing him? Is it because Pete will have a darkness to him that will somehow resonate with Vegas? I feel like it could be a mix of these things, it could really go in any direction. But seeing how Vegas has been presented thus far, I think it could evolve in this way: initial excitement, fury/disdain, possible disinterest or claiming distance, feeling drawn back, acknowledgment of his own vulnerability, comfort, love.
I'll leave it at that for now because there's not much to go on this far, especially because the writing can take some unexpected turns. With Kim, for instance, he was built up as the sort of character who would have rejected Chay but instead felt swayed enough to accept his confession and even go for a kiss, despite how meticulous he is (and you can see how he still tries to distance himself with the "gotta go, sorry" message he had written prior to the kidnapping scene). My only concern, or point of intruigue, is that the series has been holding back on showing morally grey scenes in "romantic"/"sexual" contexts, so I'm really wondering how they are going to pull it off with VegasPete, because I'm guessing that they will have to insert some dubcon/SA unless they really change the narrative. We'll see, i guess.
I'd be happy to hear what someone else thinks about all this, again if you've read this far, you're the best ^^
In a time where I struggle to focus on series due to my numbness and sky-high expectations (the exception being Kinnporsche The Series), I’m glad I found this drama. The first half of the show reminded me of why japanese media resonates with me the most. It’s able to be introspective with the characters, giving them purpose and growth. I barely skipped anything. I was just frustrated with most of the second half of the series due to how they handled the miscarriage. It’s a cliche that I am really not fond of and I felt that it was unnecessary, profoundly unnecessary, because the protagonist was not even exposed to the fire so the miscarriage was truly so random and nonsensical. I understand that it represented the rupture/loss of their relationship, but still. I’ve seen it too many times now and it irks me. I would have preferred if she had disappeared and gave birth to the baby, then Tsubaki would have found her. It’s also a cliche but a better one.
Other than that, tsubaki going blind was a mini arc i did not need either. That’s when I started skipping a bit because that on top of the fake pregnancy announcement from the other girl was giving me anxiety. The plotwist for the murder was nicely made but it just made me angry because that just meant that Sakura’s parents died for such foolish reasons, easily could’ve been avoided, and also they ruined the mysterious character I liked at the beginning (why did they have to make him like Nao too…). Like honestly. At least the way the protagonists reunited was sweet. And at the beginning of the series, the development of events were very smooth and actually exciting to watch.
They were fulfilling all my expectations and had me invested. I’m still surprised with the amount of skinship and kisses they showed, that really wowed me. This is japan afterall, a straight relationship at that, so the bed scene particularly took me out lol. It’s nothing compared to what I’ve exposed myself to but I truly didn’t expect it from a straight jdrama, don’t think I’ve even seen anything like that from one. Granted, I’m more familiar with anime/BL dramas rather than live action straight jdramas. Those moments were very satisfying and even mesmerising to watch in a way. The word might exaggerate my intention but I did really feel a bit content watching them, plus the way they were shot too. I like that they didn’t overdo it, they usually repeat the scene millions of times like in kdramas (speaking of which, the latter half of the series seemed heavily influenced by those or rather, almost like we had returned to 90s shoujo manga so it was irritating) and have the girl shocked out of her mind.
That wasn’t the case here but the moments were still meaningful and you could really sense the characters going head to head with each other, neither one backing down. The tension and the intensity of the characters was very refreshing, especially coming from Nao. Also, the pace was perfect for me. I was thankful for that!!
It was interesting to see Jiwoo make the first move, that really took me by surprise and im even more curious to see how things will develop from here because the kiss alone isnt going to solve everything. I like that aspect of realism, its refreshing
As a parallel, it reminded me a lot of the masturbvtion scene in ep 7, where kinn and porsche were connecting through their vulnerability, both naked, hurt yet full of passion. In ep 10, only pete is naked, showing that the connection between vegaspete isnt of the same nature as kinnporsche at this point (not romantic). Their connection is smeared by a twisted sense of lust and elation which is harbored from pain.
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I was thinking about Vegas as a character.
I couldn’t sleep last night so I was theorising about what would make Vegas intrigued by Pete in the series. I tried to think about how Vegas has been constructed in relation to others thus far. What’s interesting about him is that he doesn’t actually have any true interest in people (with one exception, but I’ll get to that). Others are pawns to him, just like Tawan or Porsche, and we’ve seen « villains » like him in media before: ill-intentioned, manipulative characters who act out of selfish motives. In the romance genre, though, the cliche is that these villains tend to fall for a person who treats them kindly or accepts them (generally one of the ML’s love interest, so Porsche here). In Kinnporsche, Vegas’s character could have been geared toward this. In episode 5 for example, when he hugs Porsche, we were aware that he was being deceitful, but we were not yet certain just how much. Whether every one of Vegas’s behaviours and facial expressions truly was just a facade, or if he, even if minimally, did bear some form of appreciation for Porsche during these moments.
With episode 10, we got our answer. As a « villain », we’ve seen that Vegas is capable of getting people to completely drop their guard, to open up and even be ‘intimate’ with him. Yet, despite this, he doesn’t develop any affection or care for them, they’re just tools to him. You would think that maybe he would be drawn to someone charming like Porsche, who doesn’t listen to what people say about Vegas (preconceived notions of him), just trusts what he sees in front of him and judges for himself. Vegas could easily feel touched by this, given that people have pigeonholed him his whole life for belonging to the minor family - he clearly does have an inferiority complex after all (which I will get a bit into later) - but he doesn’t feel anything (based on what’s been shown). He remains nonchalant and indifferent. He isn’t swayed in the slightest, neither grateful for Porsche’s trust and friendship, nor does he even care to acknowledge Tawan’s love and dedication toward him, someone who looks past his cunning nature.
He’s also like this toward his own brother, Macau, who is technically in a similar situation than he is. Macau treats him like a brother, probably respects him as a role model and even acts as an accomplice. However, Vegas is still unfazed by this and could probably discard him if that was to be advantageous. We know this from how he talked about him to Porsche, how he sometimes feels like he deserves a beating, showing that he doesn’t share a sincere brotherhood with him. Or that, at the very least, he does not love his brother unconditionally like Porsche does for Chay, just doesn't mind him as long as he doesn't get in the way of his plans. I personally do think that Vegas is still a being that inadvertently craves warmth, which is why he did really seem immersed in his hug with Porsche (having his eyes closed for example). But this does not make him form attachments to the people he shares those moments with, and they therefore do not make him feel indebted or thankful to said people. I also think that this is partly because he's aware that the people he manipulates don't truly see him for who he is (even with Tawan's infatuation; it was based on delusion and denial), so there's nothing for him to be thankful for per se. It's like he already expects this too as a norm which is why it doesn't sadden him either. Maybe he even looks down on people who are so ready to trust him and be faithful to him, ignorantly.
This leads me to my next point. Vegas doesn't have much interest in others indeed, as he is a pretty self-centered guy, the exception being none other than with Kinn (this far in the story). Kinn exists as a target of obsession for Vegas. Everything Vegas does is pretty much linked to Kinn somehow, and, in my view, it's not just because Kinn possesses what he more superficially desires (his status, position, reputation, priviledges...). Vegas is jealous of Kinn because Kinn possesses the capacity to love wholly. The very trait that Vegas begrudges, and sneers at, literally calling Kinn "weak" for it. For someone who seemingly thinks lesser of Kinn for loving and having mercy for people, why is Vegas so desperate to crush the hope that Kinn has for others? Why is he so adamant about taking "what's his" away? Because if he can't have it, then nobody else can. Tawan logic. They're both made of similar matter after all. Vegas can't allow Kinn to love and be happy in love, because that would be the ultimate death penalty to him. He goes so far as to disobey his father's orders, gets in bed with others, and puts everything on the line pretty much, just to achieve this one goal. He feels so small next to Kinn already, he associates every one of Kinn's successes as his failure. We always desire what we cannot acquire in the end (enhypen ref anyone?). Vegas is entrapped in his own cycle of deceit, lying to others, lying to himself. Of course he wouldn't be able to connect with others authentically.
If we take all of this into account, what could get Vegas to not only feel fascination for, but also love, for Pete? His unwavering attitude and perseverance in the face of torture and possible death (revealing his loyalty as well)? Is it his compassion, how he might inquire about Vegas's emotions even after all that he's been subjected to by him? Is it because Vegas, through his venting and brutality, has never been that open to someone else without the other person either fearing him or loathing him? Is it because Pete will have a darkness to him that will somehow resonate with Vegas? I feel like it could be a mix of these things, it could really go in any direction. But seeing how Vegas has been presented thus far, I think it could evolve in this way: initial excitement, fury/disdain, possible disinterest or claiming distance, feeling drawn back, acknowledgment of his own vulnerability, comfort, love.
I'll leave it at that for now because there's not much to go on this far, especially because the writing can take some unexpected turns. With Kim, for instance, he was built up as the sort of character who would have rejected Chay but instead felt swayed enough to accept his confession and even go for a kiss, despite how meticulous he is (and you can see how he still tries to distance himself with the "gotta go, sorry" message he had written prior to the kidnapping scene). My only concern, or point of intruigue, is that the series has been holding back on showing morally grey scenes in "romantic"/"sexual" contexts, so I'm really wondering how they are going to pull it off with VegasPete, because I'm guessing that they will have to insert some dubcon/SA unless they really change the narrative. We'll see, i guess.
I'd be happy to hear what someone else thinks about all this, again if you've read this far, you're the best ^^
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I cant believe we're nearing ep 11 already 😭
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Thinking about him realising kim is not who he thinks he is
In a time where I struggle to focus on series due to my numbness and sky-high expectations (the exception being Kinnporsche The Series), I’m glad I found this drama. The first half of the show reminded me of why japanese media resonates with me the most. It’s able to be introspective with the characters, giving them purpose and growth. I barely skipped anything. I was just frustrated with most of the second half of the series due to how they handled the miscarriage. It’s a cliche that I am really not fond of and I felt that it was unnecessary, profoundly unnecessary, because the protagonist was not even exposed to the fire so the miscarriage was truly so random and nonsensical. I understand that it represented the rupture/loss of their relationship, but still. I’ve seen it too many times now and it irks me. I would have preferred if she had disappeared and gave birth to the baby, then Tsubaki would have found her. It’s also a cliche but a better one.
Other than that, tsubaki going blind was a mini arc i did not need either. That’s when I started skipping a bit because that on top of the fake pregnancy announcement from the other girl was giving me anxiety. The plotwist for the murder was nicely made but it just made me angry because that just meant that Sakura’s parents died for such foolish reasons, easily could’ve been avoided, and also they ruined the mysterious character I liked at the beginning (why did they have to make him like Nao too…). Like honestly. At least the way the protagonists reunited was sweet. And at the beginning of the series, the development of events were very smooth and actually exciting to watch.
They were fulfilling all my expectations and had me invested. I’m still surprised with the amount of skinship and kisses they showed, that really wowed me. This is japan afterall, a straight relationship at that, so the bed scene particularly took me out lol. It’s nothing compared to what I’ve exposed myself to but I truly didn’t expect it from a straight jdrama, don’t think I’ve even seen anything like that from one. Granted, I’m more familiar with anime/BL dramas rather than live action straight jdramas. Those moments were very satisfying and even mesmerising to watch in a way. The word might exaggerate my intention but I did really feel a bit content watching them, plus the way they were shot too. I like that they didn’t overdo it, they usually repeat the scene millions of times like in kdramas (speaking of which, the latter half of the series seemed heavily influenced by those or rather, almost like we had returned to 90s shoujo manga so it was irritating) and have the girl shocked out of her mind.
That wasn’t the case here but the moments were still meaningful and you could really sense the characters going head to head with each other, neither one backing down. The tension and the intensity of the characters was very refreshing, especially coming from Nao. Also, the pace was perfect for me. I was thankful for that!!
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNN8rXby/?k=1
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNLoB8Q2/?k=1
It was interesting to see Jiwoo make the first move, that really took me by surprise and im even more curious to see how things will develop from here because the kiss alone isnt going to solve everything. I like that aspect of realism, its refreshing
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNLUX3t7/?k=1
As a parallel, it reminded me a lot of the masturbvtion scene in ep 7, where kinn and porsche were connecting through their vulnerability, both naked, hurt yet full of passion. In ep 10, only pete is naked, showing that the connection between vegaspete isnt of the same nature as kinnporsche at this point (not romantic). Their connection is smeared by a twisted sense of lust and elation which is harbored from pain.