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but we don't know how many episodes there will be, so let's look forward to that! this drama seems promising so i'm sure they'll make sure there's enough runtime to portray a fully fleshed out story with subplots and everything.

it means 30 min per episode :))

yeah i have to admit that i liked the original trailer a lot better!! :( i hope i don't get disappointed by the drama because it's really promising and the cast and staff have worked so hard...

hi again :)) yes i honestly agree. both were beautiful but somehow i feel like to my star resonated within me more? maybe because the characters were more mature. the leads had a different dynamic that i felt like i could relate to more and the atmosphere felt more comforting (i'm definitely simplifying it but i don't want to go into a rant about how amazing it is). but of course, it could also be because i felt like where your eyes linger reminded me all to well of my awkward high school days, causing me to prefer to my star instead. i suppose that's not very fair of me...whoops TT

it is, it really is

you're right. i'm not sure why i'm exhausting myself for no reason. i wish i had as much patience as you when it comes to these things. no matter how long the convo dragged on, you still came back with insightful responses. that's definitely not easy to do so i commend you!

i'm having my own little conversation with them and they just said that pued hitting jane was warranted because she emasculated him and called him weak. i have no words right now and just feel very hurt on behalf of all victims that deal with victim blaming...

please don't take this further...emotional manipulation is not the same as manipulation. what you're saying is honestly hurtful for me to read. emotional manipulation is something abusers often wield. i'm sorry it wasn't clear to you but it was very clear to the rest if us how abusive pued was. as i said before, i see these exact abuse cases at work. people exactly like pued are actually tried in the court of law for abuse.

but it wasn't her fault. no matter how much someone insults you, it never warrants physical violence. besides, he deserves everything she said anyway; he was and always will be a POS. it's not her fault is masculinity was so fragile lmao. but sociopaths (and honestly people that are mentally unstable at the moment) tend to physically lash out, but the average person doesn't do that. if they do that, they're not healthy and need to seek help for anger management or any other underlying issues. violence is never warranted. please don't justify what he did...

i think what lead me to believe that he's physically abusive is how easily he hit her and seemed to have no qualms about it. but yes, i feel quite strongly about it since i see this way too often :( i don't understand how the same thing can happen all the time while society does nothing about it...abuse is intolerable.

very rewarding indeed! :) although i'm still questioning whether to work here for the rest of my days since it is quite tiring. call me idealistic for someone who works at a law firm but i wish abuse cases never even arose in the first place. i don't understand how you could do that to someone.
yes, i'm looking forward to reform in mental health education in the (hopefully) near future. oftentimes victim shaming is ingrained in different cultures but i hope we can one day progress pass this and become more aware of everyone's struggles and traumas!!

of course! and i wish that you never have to go through the same thing again. stay strong <3
but while i definitely appreciate your respect for my explanation and viewpoint, i'm not sure it's really up for debate on whether this was abuse or not. pued even hit her, forced her to have an abortion at an unsafe clinic, and basically blamed everything that happened on her after the harassment even though it never would've happened if he didn't use her in the first place. it's not as simple as manipulation. this was incredibly dangerous. he made her feel terrible about herself and didn't help with her depression at all. i see cases like these all the time at the law firm i work at. it's basically textbook-definition-abuse. the signs are so clear that it's sad. but abuse like this is unfortunately very common.

i actually shadow at a law firm (which is what i meant when i said cases, as in lawsuits concerning abuse or even abusive litigation, sorry i wasn't very clear), but i've met many psychiatrists as a result of my working there who've told me about similar experiences as your family member. it's hard to speak up and bring these issues to court which is why i always see victims as very brave. mental health is difficult for some to understand which results in them misunderstanding and shaming the victim...it's really quite sad because the victims are in a delicate state as it is and then they have to deal with people questioning their decisions and actions when they were not in control of the situation at all :(

i agree, pued definitely abused jane physically (he had no qualms about hitting her), mentally, and emotionally. it's unfortunate but i see a lot of these cases at work.

emotional manipulation and emotional abuse are often used interchangeably. emotional manipulation is used as a phrase very commonly in daily life but it's actually very serious, hence why it's seen as the same thing as emotional abuse. manipulation falls under the umbrella of "abuse." also i hope you are feeling better since you said you went through mental abuse :( i'm sorry about that

in my opinion, pued displayed sociopathic behavior because of his lack of regard for others' safety, bursts of violence and anger, sudden mood swings (like being angry and then feeling remorseful and guilty while sobbing). he broke the law and lied/conned people to escape consequences, was abusive and impulsive, had few close relationships, was narcissistic, blamed others for his misdoings so as to manipulate them into feeling guilty in his stead, etc. there's other things i noticed but i can't remember them all off the top of my head rn. also i'm sorry to hear that you were with an emotionally manipulative person and i'm hoping you're doing well right now. but at the same time that's still different from being with a narcissist with signs of being a sociopath so you won't completely understand what jane went through. also depression can definitely impair higher order thinking and make you act irrationally. i and other people i know were diagnosed with depression and i struggled a lot similarly to jane. pued gave jane a choice but the whole relationship was so toxic that she felt like she had to in the name of love. that's not natural and she definitely wasn't fully in control there.

exactly! it's both misogynistic and cheap. are they that uncreative that they can't create a normal plot??

it really was :((

you clearly have never been in a relationship with an emotionally manipulative/narcissistic person, or else you would realize that we're not being too sensitive. i understand where you're coming from but i really don't think you understand how horrible it is to go through what jane did. coercion is more than just using violence; it can be subtle. pued was abusive and displayed behavior of a sociopath. jane really wasn't in control here. not to mention that she was severely depressed and her higher order thinking/judgement was probably impaired. if you still don't understand, i can't make you, but if you ever get into a toxic relationship with a sociopath/narcissist then you might understand. but to be honest, i hope you never have to as it is very painful...

no i mean when solo was doing the photoshoot and then they drugged him. some girl tried to rape him and then gui had to come rescue him.