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You mean the live action? That one was actually a co-production though, if I'm not mistaken

I mean, how are you going to portray a serial killer without any mental illness? Going around murdering random people is certainly not a sign of perfect mental health lol.

This was produced by FX and it's an American show, that why the production's quality is higher. it's not japanese, even though it has japanese actors. It's kinda like Pachinko.

Thank you so much!!! Yes, I kept going even though the subs weren't the best because the story was too gripping to stop (it's such a shame that a great show like this was so mistreated internationally), lol. I just reached the last available episode for free on wetv, so thank you again

What were you using before? The free version of WeTV? I'm watching it on there and I hope the subs won't become too bad on ep 6. The show is good and I don't want to drop it

If Ryu Yong Jae is writing this I don't have much hope for it, to be honest. I disliked every work of his so far. I hope I'm wrong because I loved the original Parasyte.

Why? I doubt it, it was announce for second quarter of the year if I recall correctly and there has been zero promotions for it so far. It will probably be in spring.

Watch Lost

I have one ep left, but I agree with you, that's why I hope it will have a second season. If I were to view it as the first season of a bigger show then I would say that this was quite a great start, although not perfect, but if I were to view it as standalone TV show then I have to admit, as much as I enjoyed watching it, that there's ton of wasted potential here. It felt like there should have been at least two or four more eps to give justice to the characters and to give the right pacing to the show. Slow pacing is for the best when you have many characters to explore.

I mean, it's evident how in the second half of the show they tried to condense too much in just 4 eps: Lee Tang's transformation into a serial killer, his isolation and his guilt; Ro bin, his backstory and his relationship with Lee Tang and Song Chon; Nam Gam and his backstory with his father, his antagonism with Song Chon and his unexplored relationship with Lee Tang; and Song Chon himself, literally everything about him. The result was a story that felt fast but uneventful at the same time.

I do agree that it would have been much better if we stopped talking about that scene, but it's not like those people that replied to the ci-complainers, as you called them, would have disappeared if people didn't say anything. They exist, they give ratings here like everyone else and they have, for some reason, very strong (negative) feelings about this drama. It's not difficult to immagine that they would lower the ratings, not out of spitefulness, mind you, but simply because that's a deal breaker for them. This is also not the first time it happened. The comment section for Somebody was even worse. Heck, the same thing happened to The Handmaiden after Kim Tae Ri gained more fans, the ratings took a huge hit and looking at the comment sections you would find some people calling it depraved. And there are plenty of other examples. As somebody else pointed out to me this morning, kdrama fans often come from cultures where sex is considered scandalous and inappropriate for movies. They are not the main reason why I personally believe that kdrama ratings can't be trusted, but of course they will rate stuff according to their beliefs and they tend to have negative opinions about kdrama involving sex scenes that they consider unnecessary. That's all I'm saying.

I remember having this conversation with someone else on the Bequeathed's comment section too (which I agree with you, wasn't that great, but I appreciated that it tried to make something a little bit different from usual, even though I couldn't help compare it to Gannibal, which was far superior). I don't want to change your mind, it's just that your experience with the ratings here and mine differs: I watched the highest rated shows with huge expectations, just like I always do, I rarely felt disappointed by animes and western shows that had high ratings, but with kdramas I often ended up noticing some flaws that aren't much discussed about or generally wasn't very impressed (with the due exceptions, of course) while I ended up finding shows that I enjoyed a lot among the low rated ones. Are those low rated kdramas better than the high rated ones? I don't know and I don't really care, it's not a competition about who has the best taste here, but I wonder why people are much harsher with those shows. The Bequeathed is far frome perfect, I was disappointed too, but how come it ended up with an 7.5 (if I'm not mistaken) while Big Mouth that also received a lot of criticism for its ending and didn't offer anything new or particularly epic ended up with an 8.5. Both are thriller, both have mediocre screenplays that could have been much more interesting with better writing, but why is there such a big discrepancy in their ratings? And this year too, LTNS was quite good, not a masterpiece, but a good show nevertheless, and it still ended up with a mere 7.5 even though it deserved more by MDL's standards. And then you have A Shop for Killers with an 8.8, a kdrama that people are often mentioning here as the standard for a good thriller and as the reason why A Killer Paradox was disappointing, since it falls short in comparison. Is it a bad show? Not at all, but with that rating I would expect something close to a masterpiece, something memorable, but it's a pretty generic story with decent actions scenes and some very predictable twists. I would give it a 7.5 or an 8 for being enternaing and fun (and for having a great start), but what am I missing? Why is that one considered the standard even with a not impressive screenplay while this one here gets the short end of the stick? I just don't understand the criteria on this sire, that's why I'm personally skeptical with the ratings and I always advice people to make their own opinions without trusting the ratings too much.

The reason why people believe that nudity and sexual contents may have negative effects on how a kdrama is perceived is simply because people make a big deal out of it. I don't think I need to prove anything when the comment section here speaks for itself. Every time there is sexual content in a drama people start claiming that Netflix is ruining kdramas by westernizing them (because of course, everybody knows that the west invented sex), that they don't watch western shows because there is too much sex and now that they're including it in kdrama they feel angry about it because Netflix took away their safe space. Their words, not mine. The scene here, call it gratuitous sex (and I personally disagree about the sex being gratuitous in Game of Thrones, by the way, as it was used to portray what life used to be like for women back in the days when their worth was reduced to their bodies) or whatever, was a very quick one. In any other fanbase people would have ignored it without thinking too much about it, it's only in dramaland that sex becomes such a big deal that a 3 seconds sex scene ends up monopolizing the conversation. I've seen more comments here complaining about that sex scene than people complaining about anything else, which doesn't mean that there weren't any other complaints, just that there weren't as many. And it's ridiculous because, I repeat, it was a really short scene in a much, much, muuuuuch longer drama. Like, why are we even talking about it? Why is it relevant? It's only natural to assume that those who found that scene scandalous ended up giving it a lower rating. For me, the comment section here speak for itself, but if it's not enough of a proof for you then okay, fine, I don't need to convince you of anything, this isn't a trial. It's just a place to share our opinions

Funnily enough, the most interesting comments about the show, the comments that actually focused on the script with its pros and cons, came from people who liked the show without loving it. At least from what I saw.

You rated it low because the screenplay wasn't good. I don't want to argue about it because I haven't even watched it yet, I only watched some clips and read the reviews, so I may even end up agreeing with you here. What I want to ask instead is this: is the screenplay that important for drama fans? Even among thrillers there are plenty of shows with a weak script that have higher ratings than A Killer Paradox. Why some shows have a free pass while others don't?

Imdb, Nolan fanboys aside, is actually very stingy with its ratings, much more than mdl. Again, are the ratings completely accurate? No, absolutely. But at least mid thrillers like Midnight and Unlocked have only a 6,4. This means that an 8.3 on Imdb is actually a very high rating compared to an 8.3 here. The 8.3 that both Oldboy and Clockwork Orange have on imdb holds a completely different weight compared to the 8.3 that Oldboy has here because on imdb it's not a rating that is easy to reach for any movie starring a popular actor. If a movie has a rating above 8 on imdb you can assume that in most cases it will be a great movie, personal opinions aside. On Mdl you can't make the same assumption. And that's one of the reasons why I stopped caring about the ratings here. And it seems like I'm not the only one.

You can ask on reddit too, you will hardly see spoilers there. Just follow the rules and you can ask about any show

It's such a shame that young people are reinforcing this type of mentality instead of fighting against it. It feels like they still live in the Victorian era where people loved violent plays full of blood, but would also bully a woman for wearing a dress that didn't conceal her ankle. Also they would literally arrest you for being an homosexual, but murder was fine, I guess.

You can look at my list if you think I'm a noobie lol, you don't need to insult to prove your point.

I would have agreed with you if kdrama fans had high standards, but they don't: mid movies and shows with a cookie cutter plot get incredibly high scores here despite having obvious flaws that everyone chooses to overlook for some reason, while kdramas with more controversial contents usually get low scores, even among Thrillers. And it's the same for movies: it's an insult that a masterpiece like Burning only has a 7.5 while Midnight has an 8.4, just to give one example.

I'm sorry but you'll never convince me that the rating here are to be trusted. I've been there and I'm not falling for it again lol. The funny things is that I've never had a problem with western shows or with animes. Like, of course you can't expect the ratings to be always accurate, there are times when I think something may be overrated or underrated, but the highest scored are usually correct. It's only here on dramaland that I have a problem. The amount of shows with high ratings that I ended up watching thinking it would be something great just to end up being the usual drama with a milked story full of clichés and predictable twists is way too high.

And of course people are going to assume that shows with sexual content are going to get the short end of the stick considering that the comment section will focus on it instead of everything else in it and people will talk about it as if they watched a snuff movie. Just look at what a super short scene with a pair of breast caused here, with people even claiming to have received psychological trauma from it. Come on.

And finally, why are you taking about yourself as if you represents 80% of mdl? I can assure you that most people here never watched Old Boy or any of the movies mentioned here, so they probably have a different rating criteria than you. The fact that you watched this and that and still dislike Netflix kdramas doesn't prove in any way that people wouldn't give crappy rating to a kdrama just because it's more graphic than the average kdrama, considering that there's plenty of people that, by their own admission, love watching kdramas because they don't have mature contents since they are usually censored. The fanbase of the Korean movies and Korean dramas doesn't overlap as much as you seem to imply.

They're so well received here that any average movie like Midnight Runners, Along with the Gods, 20th century girl etc can end up with an 8.7 here while cult classics like those you mentioned only have an 8.3/8.2 (and there are great movie that got an even worse treatment, like Burning and The Wailing). The Handmaiden was sitting at 8.6 before the kdrama gang found it after the success of Kim Tae Ri with twenty five twenty one. It took them only a week to lower the score to an 8.2 and turn the comment section into a cesspool. But sure, let's pretend that mdl and kdrama fans in general don't have a clear bias

You literally said in the same comment that you assumed it would have been like Taxi Driver even though 18+ rating can include sexual content by definition. They probably didn't include nudity in the opening tags because it was only for a few seconds, but you can't rule it out when it's 18+

Again, looking for more info online would have been the best thing, that's how I avoid contents that I don't want to see without a problem.

And being traumatized is a very different thing from not liking seeing woman's parts. It wasn't sexual violence that is triggering for sa survivors who have ptsd and always needs to be properly put in the trigger warnings. It's just breasts.

R 18+ material is restricted to adults as it contains content that is considered high in impact for viewers. This includes content that may be offensive to sections of the adult community.

That's literally the definition of 18+ rating. You were warned, period. 18+ rating includes sexual content too, everybody knows that. If you don't trust the ratings given by a network and it's such a big deal for you that it gives you trauma if there is a sex scene then you also have the internet: just like you're taking your time to complain about the sex scene you could have used that time to write on here "hey guys, since it's rated 18, is there pheraphs a sex scene?" and people would have replied. It would have been so simple, but nope, y'all assume that since it's Koreans they can't have sex, but that's on you.

Seriously if you really have an actual panic attack at the mere sight of people having sex (or simply showing their bare bodies) for two seconds you need to see a therapist, not a drama, because it will affect negatively your life eventually. If someone breastfeeds their baby in a public space you'll run away screaming? And it's a drama rated 18+ about serial killings. Murders, blood and guts are fine and won't give you a panic attack, but something that is a normal part of the human's body like breasts and penises are a nope? 18+ is already a trigger warning for disturbing and adult contents, it's not Netflix's fault if y'all chose to ignore it.

I'll never understand why people make a big deal out of it. And I'm not buying the fact that it's a cultural thing, because honestly, what kind of culture watches murders and gore while eating popcorn but draws a line at the sight of a simple breast?

And since when that is a problem?