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I'm still waiting for another thriller kdrama as great as this one, miss my tkop trio😭

Lol, the "fucking woman" is the least of their problems in that so-called friendship.

Still nothing?

I'm not calling you a bad person, I'm saying you're taking this discussions too much personally. And am I wrong? You literally said that you hate people like us (and I'm quoting you here "and I hate people who keeps on protecting & defending those people who keeps on using drugs"). You think we're protecting Yoo Ah In, so that applies to us as well.

Back to the topic, the user that blocked didn't say they wanted to see Hellbound 2 canceled, they just wanted to protest against the specific decision of recasting Yoo Ah In, as useless as it is. Why is that selfish? It would have been selfish if the said "I told Netflix to cancel the show", but they didn't.

And good for you if you don't do drugs, neither do I. And I also never got addicted to nicotine despite having smoked cigarettes with friends in the past. So I should have the right to judge people who are addicted to cigarettes? Of course not. I know people who have to use an oxygen support (sorry, I don't know the specific term because English is not my first language) to live, but they still don't have to strength to stop smoking even though they know how bad it is for their health. And I repeat: this is nicotine, the drugs that Yoo Ah In are much stronger, resulting in an even more disastrous addiction. I don't feel superior because I don't have any addiction, I understand that we are all different from each other. I don't support drugs, I know how destructive they are, I've seen it. But I've never blamed the person struggling with addiction, always blamed the dealers. I agree that people should take responsability for taking drugs, but it's simply unfair that a person who needs psychological help and has never hurt anyone but themselves as to receive the same punishment (or even worse in some cases) as the people who hurt others. And yes, ofc I know that drug addict can be dangerous, and I understand your feelings, BUT if a drug addict has never hurt anybody you can't act like they did just because there are drug addicts who are violent.

And yes, I stand by what I said: he deserves rehab and therapy, and he deserves the possibility to be reintegrated in society. The fact that there are addicts who got back to drugs after rehab doesn't cancel the fact that there are addicts who never went back to using drugs. If he was a drug dealers or if there was proof that he assaulted someone, I wouldn't be here having this conversation, and I would be the first to blame him if this turns out to be true. But since this isn't the case then yes, he deserves a second chance to get his sh*t together.

And did I say you need to use drugs if you're having a hard time? No. What I meant is that some people are weaker than others. For example: some people don't get depressed even if they have a hard time, does that mean that people with depression are wrong to be depressed? Each of us deal with problems in different ways. And some of us may seek help in the wrong places. That doesn't make those people monsters though. I mean, if rehab exist then there must be a reason, no?

I think you're getting defensive for no reason. I didn't made that premise as in "you're not worth taking with", I said it as in "it's clear that we have different ideas, but I can't help but reply to this part of your comment". Nothing offensive here. I also don't understand why you had to talk about things such as blocking: the other user blocked you and you still replied to them, so why do you want me to block you? Lol. And none of us is getting triggered by anything, you literally started this conversation because you disagreed with someone else here so, again, is it that strange if people want continue this conversation with you because they disagree with what you said? Just like you called that person out on a behavior that you deemed unfair people are allowed to reply to you.

You're also putting yourself on a moral pedestal in this argument. You talk as if we're protecting Yoo Ah In when all we're saying is that he deserves a chance to get better because he may be already going through a dark period (since, ya know, a lot of people start doing drugs because they have problems in their lives that makes them fragile. And we know that the dude had problems in the past, like struggling with a frigging bone tumor). But you keep taking as if only you are the only one who is right while we are just degenerates who are in favor of doing drugs. That's not true, okay?

There are plenty of them, latest one being Oh Dal Soo, who is in a lot of shows and movies these days despite the fact that multiple people complained. Lee Kyoung Young is another example, he never faced any serious consequence and he's literally everywhere.

Also I disagree with likeness having nothing to do with replacing an actor. This is only true if the production and the casting team don't care about their job and about the final product. True professionals will go to great lenghts even when casting relatives or child's counterpart of the actors to make sure that it is as realistic as possible.

So, I don't want to counting the conversation, because obviously we disagree so there's no point in trying to convince each other. BUT there is something I need to point out: you're downplaying addictions. You said "he knows what he is doing. If not, why continue using those drugs instead of stopping". That's why it's called an adduction: you can't stop. You can literally get addicted on painkillers even (the American TV show "Dopesick" perfectly portrays this), the whole point is that you can't stop even if you want. You can get addicted to nicotine too: I know a lot of people who want to stop smoking because it's literally destroying their lives, but they can't stop even when they need to use oxygen to stay alive. Why do you think something like this happens? Because addictions makes them unable to control themselves and getting angry at them and treating them like monsters was never an effective way to help them. And this happens with nicotine, something legal that most people do, can you imagine how much worse it with bigger drugs? So no, he couldn't have "simply" stopped.

This isn't unrelated, this is literally about him.

As for what you said, I'm not blaming the police. I'm blaming the journals and Netflix and, I'm quoting you here, the brands he was working with that have already cut ties with him. If this isn't destroying destroying his career I don't know what it is. The filming isn't going to start anytime soon, Netflix didn't fire him to protect his coworkers, they fired him to protect their reputation. They literally offed him as a soon as the news was released, come on.

I didn't say he didn't have a violent episode. I don't personally know him. I said, and that's a fact, up until now there isn't any rumor or proof about him causing problems on set or to his coworkers or to anyone else. So we can't just assume he did.

"He should have not taken his career for granted" and who says he did?

Look, I get it you have your ideas, and I respect that; but I just don't agree with it, okay? There are plenty of people who have gotten out of drug addiction because they received help. It's still probably too soon to fully judge the situation here, maybe this will help him, I surely hope so, but I have my doubts tbh.

It's not that what you said is wrong, but an addict don't need punishment: an addict needs rehab. Punishment is for people who hurt other people. Addicts can hurt other people when they lose control. As of now, though, there isn't anything suggesting that Yoo Ah In has ever had a violent episode. Therefore Yoo Ah In doesn't deserve to be treated like a criminal. Yoo Ah In, as an addict, needs support and psychological help. Destroying his career is not a good way to help him: if he resorts to drugs again because he's struggling then the fault is on his country for destroying everything he worked for and making him go through this public humiliation instead of keeping it as private as possible and letting him go back to work.

Drugs will most likely kill a drug addict, but the way people treat a drug addict is also important. If you isolate then they will sink deeper into their self-destructive behavior. And this is why I can't approve of Netflix's decisions of taking that role away from him.

And again, I can't have any respect for the law system of a country that lets sex offenders work freely and then have the guts to act all righteous when it suits them.

You're overreacting with your accusations here by calling them selfish. They didn't force anybody. They just gave an advice to people who don't like the way SK and Netflix are handling this scandal and who don't support the recasting. They didn't force anybody, so how are they selfish? If anything, it seems to me that you are the one imposing you view.

I personally don't a support an actor getting cancelled because they're doing drugs, while hurting no one, meanwhile actors who are known to be molesters are still working in the industry. And I don't care about the law in South Korea because for me a law that treats an addict like a worse criminal than a sex offender is not a good law, period. But if you disagree then fine, no problem. This doesn't that people should stop being bothered by this situation just because you think Yoo Ah In deserves punishment though. You're free to have your opinions, but you're not free to call other people selfish if they protest against the way this scandal is being handled.


And you're right, he needs medical help, but he doesn't need to be treated like a criminal. Those are two different and separate things.

@wilsonban But they don't look alike at all, how can they play the same person? They should have just written his character off the show at this point.

But aside from this, the real issue here is that South Korea has actual molesters and rapists still working in the industry, but now they're trying to cancel Yoo Ah In because he did drugs. He's an adult and he didn't hurt anybody but himself, and yet they're treating him like a criminal

They had the guts to replace him with another actor. Seriously, I'm totally not going to watch season 2 now. I hate what they're doing.

So far, it's neither canceled nor renewed. All we know is that the manga doesn't end here and that the director said they would make a second season if the show was popular enough. It's all up to Disney+ now.

I mean, if you have to offend someone because they don't know what they're talking about, you should at least bring a better argument than "it's meant to show their feelings", like duh? We know, cinematography is ALWAYS meant to capture the mood of the show, but that doesn't mean it's well done. The show so far has been a mixed bag in terms of cinematography, going from beautiful moments, like the scene in the rain, to the weird choices in the flashbacks and the way the color grading keeps changing for no particular reason.

Please tell me it doesn't have that pink color grading I've seen in a video of it

Soredemo ikite yuku, though it's a different genre.

Oh no, I haven't. I read the spoilers to se what happens after the ending in the drama (this is only half of the story), but I don't know the ending to everything.

Rumors are now saying 4th August is the release date 😪

It all comes down to Disney's choice and it's popularity. The drama received lot of love in Japan (and in Indonesia too from what I've seen). I've also seen good reviews of it in my country (Italy). But unfortunately it wasn't a huge hit, so it's hard to tell if it will be renewed or not. Disney should have promoted it more, most people in the US and in Europe don't even know it exist because there was no promotion and it's quite hidden in their catalog.

We're saying that it needs season 2 because the manga doesn't end at that scene, it goes on. We're actually only halfway through the story. It ended like this because they knew it would make people talk, and this was what they wanted. It was also the best moment from the manga to end the first season, but it's not the ending. Even the director said that if the show was popular they would make a second season to finish the adaption