Concubinage! ?? what a word to use in this context!!Why? It is ok to love the main characters and fan-girl after…
Hi again and thank you for your rich reply, meaning i thank you for your time too. I really think this kind of discussions is super interesting and enhances one another :) Especially when we come from , maybe, opposite parts of the world. Of course I know well Italian law about de facto unions, just cause there are many in my family, involving both straight and gay couples, so, you may guess by yourself how much I do care about this matter. The point of what i wanted to express previously was that , given the word concubinage, it is absolutely normal that some people can misunderstand the meaning and the context, cos, as i said already, according to the language, the country, the dictionary and the historical period, this word has a variety of meanings and shapes, that's it :) So i kinda understood why May was initially displeased. Really, that's all. Regarding the matter about the connection with the series, I agree with you: if the parents are living in a de facto union, legally, I would consider their sons as step-siblings, step-brothers, oh yes! Altough, it would be an issue of poor value to me, personally, cos in fact they still remain strangers, even if they belong to the same family.
Concubinage! ?? what a word to use in this context!!Why? It is ok to love the main characters and fan-girl after…
Well, actually (you can read my reply to Ariel) you were right in a way, I mean, you displayed a logical reaction, getting the common meaning of "concubinage" IMHO. XD
Concubinage! ?? what a word to use in this context!!Why? It is ok to love the main characters and fan-girl after…
Hello Ariel, pardon me if I dare to say that what you wrote is just partially true and it does depend on which country you are referring to, so I can understand why May17 was wary and dissatisfied. I dunno, of course, where you come from, but I come from Italy and we usually grow up studying Latin in high school; in Latin, the mother word "concubinatus", though it was a legal term in ancient Roman law, has a derogatory meaning too indeed for today's standards. They put in Roman law the case of concubinatus just right to protect men and their needs and status when they wanted to have multiple women, basically, outside the proper official marriage. So concubinatus refers to concubines indeed. [Roman Law: Lex Iulia de adulteriis - Lex Iulia et Papia Poppaea] Now, I get that in France and in some part of Switzerland it is a neutral term, cos it is used today in their legal terminology, surely, but in the common sense, in many places and in English-spoken language, it still brings in itself the meaning that it is a union between a man and a woman, where the latter cannot give the first legitimate offspring, a woman that is indeed a concubine and whose rights come after the wife's. The reason why you do not use in common language "concubinage" is because it is not neautral at all, not as "living together - cohabitation - convivenza more uxorio (my country's legal term for "union de facto". We are Italians, but we do not use, never ever, the word "concubinato")". Here we are on an international drama's forum, not on a channel by a legal firm, so the audience speaks common terms, right? Therefore, when you translate that word, it has multiple meanings and most of the time the meanings are denigratory to women cos the CONCUBINATUS was created by men to subdue women like properties and it is a term very much present also along with "slavery" for the past decade of millenia. You can check it out by reading what "concubinage" is and, most of all, was in an ecyclopedia. I can guarantee you that if you talk to people today, friends and acquaintances, about concubinage, referring to the fact that a couple of them is living together, they would immediately raise an eyebrow with popping eyes. :D As you said, if you check the dictonaries, you will find that for a man and a woman living together today, the utilized words are:coexistence - cohabitation - living together - co-existence - harmony - partnership - co-habitation - togetherness - get-together - fellowship - moving in - convivence - common-law marriage - cohabiting - coexisting - life in common. NOT CONCUBINAGE I assure you: if you translate from English this word in other languages, in most of them the meaning is, for nowadays values, insulting, at least in countries where monogamy is the rule... I don't wanna know in others... Thanks for the discussion, by the way :)
I suggest that if anyone warrants the comment "don't know what you're talking about", it's you. US / Western European…
My feeling? WTF?! u must be on drug yourself. Please go to Uni and study a lot more. You are incompetent, ignorant and really short-minded: you are talking by googling stuff you don't know how to search. And I repeat myself: you dunno the right proper sources to study this theme. The fact that you are choosing a stage like MDL to talk about stuff like this says it all. Just a clown in search of a stage to perform.
I suggest that if anyone warrants the comment "don't know what you're talking about", it's you. US / Western European…
Evidently you've never been to Oslo, but worst of all, you have no sense of criticism and understanding of which sources you are listening too. And you even dare to say "naive" to others... LOL Please do come here In Oslo and see for yourself. Unbelieveble!
First of all The Host ain't a hollywood movie, it's korean and 2nd thing is that this movie is based on japanese…
You don't know what Squishy was talking about, evidently, smart guy. He/she is referring to The Host 2013 from Stephenie Meyer's novel, so, i assure you, it is totally a Hollywood movie...
I am at ep 9, till now it is exactly the plot, the narrative and characters of GONE WITH THE WIND made in 1939, dunno what kind of originality you see, cos it is the most classic love story ever, of all time, in cinema universe... That said, it is really well done, beautiful and entertaining, worthy to be watched, but DEFO a Korean REMAKE. Great cast, with: Namkoong Min as Clark Gable/ Rhett Butler Ahn Eun Jin as Vivien Leigh/ Scarlett O'Hara Lee Hak Joo as Leslie Howard/Ashley Wilkes Lee Da In as Olivia de Havilland/ Melanie Hamilton
Just, please guys, don't tell me it is gonna end in the last scene with an : "After all, tomorrow is another day!" XD XD
Well i think on viki the people creating the subs are volunteers meaning they don't see a penny so really i can…
that's not a justification good enough, not even by far. I'va made dozens of volunteer projects too, nevertheless my team would have scolded me instantly and the editor would have corrected immediately a mistake like that. Being also a fan subber doesn't mean you're allowed to do shitty works. That's why for joining a group or a team you must pass several tests proving how good you are in translating and using synching programs. You even gotta be matched with a tutor for the first 2 months, and this, my dear, is just for fun and volunteering. Now , imagine what it is to earn money doing this job... a freaking nightmare of dozens of super straight rules
So, ep 11, that poor akita Bok Sil! Not only he gotta endure that fcking pain of a choke chain collar, he still gotta stand both lame teams of Viki and VIU which aren't even able to translate properly matching the script with the freaking images on the screen! Can't you see multiple times the hell of a penis between Bok Sil's legs, FFS?! Geez! Still, you both translate with "she"... meaning you do not even watch the episodes... I would be fired for a mistake like this... LOL
still a mistery, i guess we'll know it in season 2 ;)
Yes, i am pretty confident there will be, simply cos it is in plain sight on IMDB: they really rarely got it wrong, cos they wait to be notified by production's and network's companies
Total BS. Educate yourselves about the real women condition in Saudi Arabia first, then you can play the part of the offended one. "Men don't touch the women"?? oh yes, right, they simply let them live in freaking chains! go there if you are a woman, then let us know how freely you can travel around, reach the top in your work field, achieve positions of power, be yourself wherever...oh, please tell us how many women are in possession of their own passports... but still you feel insulted. unbelievable.
Well, production isn't that bad. There are worse. I mean much worse. Anyways, I think it's best you actually look…
First of all, thank you for your comment. I am preparing a proper answer... it is gonna be super long winded, so forgive me in advance, but I really would like to talk about the topic you mentioned. :)
Of course I know well Italian law about de facto unions, just cause there are many in my family, involving both straight and gay couples, so, you may guess by yourself how much I do care about this matter.
The point of what i wanted to express previously was that , given the word concubinage, it is absolutely normal that some people can misunderstand the meaning and the context, cos, as i said already, according to the language, the country, the dictionary and the historical period, this word has a variety of meanings and shapes, that's it :)
So i kinda understood why May was initially displeased.
Really, that's all.
Regarding the matter about the connection with the series, I agree with you: if the parents are living in a de facto union, legally, I would consider their sons as step-siblings, step-brothers, oh yes! Altough, it would be an issue of poor value to me, personally, cos in fact they still remain strangers, even if they belong to the same family.
I dunno, of course, where you come from, but I come from Italy and we usually grow up studying Latin in high school; in Latin, the mother word "concubinatus", though it was a legal term in ancient Roman law, has a derogatory meaning too indeed for today's standards. They put in Roman law the case of concubinatus just right to protect men and their needs and status when they wanted to have multiple women, basically, outside the proper official marriage. So concubinatus refers to concubines indeed.
[Roman Law: Lex Iulia de adulteriis - Lex Iulia et Papia Poppaea]
Now, I get that in France and in some part of Switzerland it is a neutral term, cos it is used today in their legal terminology, surely, but in the common sense, in many places and in English-spoken language, it still brings in itself the meaning that it is a union between a man and a woman, where the latter cannot give the first legitimate offspring, a woman that is indeed a concubine and whose rights come after the wife's.
The reason why you do not use in common language "concubinage" is because it is not neautral at all, not as "living together - cohabitation - convivenza more uxorio (my country's legal term for "union de facto". We are Italians, but we do not use, never ever, the word "concubinato")".
Here we are on an international drama's forum, not on a channel by a legal firm, so the audience speaks common terms, right?
Therefore, when you translate that word, it has multiple meanings and most of the time the meanings are denigratory to women cos the CONCUBINATUS was created by men to subdue women like properties and it is a term very much present also along with "slavery" for the past decade of millenia. You can check it out by reading what "concubinage" is and, most of all, was in an ecyclopedia.
I can guarantee you that if you talk to people today, friends and acquaintances, about concubinage, referring to the fact that a couple of them is living together, they would immediately raise an eyebrow with popping eyes. :D
As you said, if you check the dictonaries, you will find that for a man and a woman living together today, the utilized words are:coexistence - cohabitation - living together - co-existence - harmony - partnership - co-habitation - togetherness - get-together - fellowship - moving in - convivence - common-law marriage - cohabiting - coexisting - life in common.
NOT CONCUBINAGE
I assure you: if you translate from English this word in other languages, in most of them the meaning is, for nowadays values, insulting, at least in countries where monogamy is the rule... I don't wanna know in others...
Thanks for the discussion, by the way :)
Just a clown in search of a stage to perform.
Please do come here In Oslo and see for yourself.
Unbelieveble!
That said, it is really well done, beautiful and entertaining, worthy to be watched, but DEFO a Korean REMAKE.
Great cast, with:
Namkoong Min as Clark Gable/ Rhett Butler
Ahn Eun Jin as Vivien Leigh/ Scarlett O'Hara
Lee Hak Joo as Leslie Howard/Ashley Wilkes
Lee Da In as Olivia de Havilland/ Melanie Hamilton
Just, please guys, don't tell me it is gonna end in the last scene with an : "After all, tomorrow is another day!" XD XD
That's why for joining a group or a team you must pass several tests proving how good you are in translating and using synching programs. You even gotta be matched with a tutor for the first 2 months, and this, my dear, is just for fun and volunteering. Now , imagine what it is to earn money doing this job... a freaking nightmare of dozens of super straight rules
LOL
but still you feel insulted. unbelievable.