Angelica Gea

What I learnt from this site, that I totally ignored before, is that there might be 2 cases:
1 - There is a very close and united group of friends who share asexuality, and they are on a mission to defend their right of speech everytime someone speaks about sex. Literally I met a few of them here and they are , i dunno, Crusaders searching for the Holy Graal, trying to castigate everybody else who thinks that sex is nice and wanted by the majority of humans and animals on Earth.
2 - Koreans really are asexual as in their dramas.
LMAO

It was just a f joke, FFS! Damn gen Z and their fixation for words

You got super serious issues, bro, Jesus! For real? You really didn't get the joke by Rammstein?! You are seriously trying to create a discussion about this? Com'on just get laid a bit more... LOL

LOL you got the point Ramm :) I think the same. Personally i would never live in a country where men are shy to stay shirtless, it would be my undoing. I mean, pornography is forbidden there, OMG, poor poor teenagers! Weel, not just them LOL

As a matter of fact, I agree with you all, I really think we are all on the same page: we believe in equality, we want and respect feminism and we all can see also how many scripts touch ridiculous limits over and over by rewriting history or inventing situations in history that are pure sci-fi. My problem with this is that to some levels they literally erase history and that usually is never a good thing IMHO. Nonetheless I get the will to finally turn the entertainment industry inside out and to get things easy and light just for fun without any seriousness intended.
The thing I do not appreciate is that some of you see this way of "changing cards on the table" only as a creature of the West. Sorry, but no, not in the least, surely not for what I see on Asian TV.
An example above all: 98% of all BL series are "sci-fi" (unicorns flying, total acceptance by family and society, males who never say they are "gay", characters of 30 y.o. at their first kiss and I could go on and on infinitely LOL). If I were gay, I would be mad as hell, well my gay friends are for sure, but that is not the point. In the West you would never see a BL like these, where you basically cannot speak the world "gay" or where you make guys just want to hold hands (geezzzzz!)
This is just an example of what turn an industry can get, what is the trend of the moment and what sells. So even if they are different branches the distortion of reality is the same, whether it is the period drama or the BL one.
So I agree with Rammstein (after she/he explained themselves better), with Big Fat Dove and with Jumpsuiter too, cos i totally understand the sarcasm when you keep glimpsing a vein of conservatorism in many comments by other people, i see that too.
So if Rammstein says the West could ruin Asian industry by importing some kind of "predominant mindset", I would totally agree just the same: Asia could ruin Western industry by importing their sci-fi , notfuckingsomuch gay-notreallygay lovers mindset in tv series, more or less just as it has already happened with textile industry...
Let's just hope neither of the two things is going to happen LOL.
Hey, in the last part, i am just kidding.

LMAO

Ahhh, now I get it! I was indeed confused if this was related to the movie, like being a sequel, or not. And at the same time it looked kinda absurd calling a tv show with JKW by the exact same title but totally unrealated. Now finally you make sense, thank you!

Let's just start from a correct use of the dictionary by writing the word SUICIDE with all its letters, shall we?
Cos it is not a bad word like an F-word and if you treat it as taboo in writing, just figure how bad it can be IRL by speaking about it.
Words are important.
Thank you.

OH that would be great! Let's hope then. Thank you for your , mate! <3

Thanks, dear!

I totally agree with you, but...
If anyone just thinks something is bad , not likeable or simply poorly made, I mean, why can't they have the liberty to express whatever the f the like? I mean, I don't think it is unfair to have a bad opinion about a show you didn't enjoy, don't you think? It's not a matter of hate, but taste. Commenting here is on purpose, right? Sometimes is a good comment, sometimes is a bad one. That's all, I guess.
Then... yes, I am a woman, but I totally got what you were referring to. I got, sometimes, not always of course, the impression that many girls here, on this site, don't like tv shows too explicit. Honestly, I don't have a clue about why, but... who knows? Different tastes are different tastes , I guess.
I think I am a strongly opinionated feminist most of the time, and no, your comment wasn't misogynist at all, mate, it was just funny and, naturally, provocative. Who thought it was misogynist for real, in my personnel view, just got issues, dunno of what kind though.
Cheers!

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I am kneeling before you.
I am such a bad little person.

@any_anka
You gotta watch this! It is simply wonderful. A real gem.

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It kinda makes me smile (not laugh) your dedication in finding data regarding this matter, I almost sense that maybe you are boy/man, could it be? Not that it matters, of course, but that could suggest to me that you are not fully aware of women issues about sex all around the world and in western countries too. I shall be barking up the wrong tree, defo. LOL
If you really think that the data you are collecting are even by far close to reality, well, I think you are mistaken by a long shot. Why? Cause this matter is a pure hypersensitive theme, the data you may find around are mostly based on medical examinations (so they are super limited) and hypotheses about getting true confessions from the young ones.
In no way, never ever, you will have true admissions from teenagers (not even anonimously) about their first sexual experiences, be they masturbations, first intercourses with another person or complete penetrations.
[Behaviour analysis is my professional field of work in Ethology. I have to study singular actions, patterns and sequences of actions that are typical of a particular species, just to give you a hint of me].
Now you get to sense the true reality when you talk to teenagers that really trust you. And even there, it is just a guess.

For women then, it is so much more difficult in comparison to men. Many of them are compelled to lie for their sake or for the fear that what they admit will be reported to their parents cause they are indeed underage.
The situation is very very similar, unfortunately, to the one about admission of being raped. If you disagree about this because you trust that you can find realistic statistics, it is a position I can understand but surely I can't share, simply cause there is no realistic stat about this theme. We can use all the algorithms you prefer, but still the results are gonna be poor.
Again, data in Africa is like talking about another planet, cause the lack of them due to war or poverty is incredible.

On 10 girls of 16 y.o., asked about masturbations, you will never have the truthful number, cos culturally masturbation is a sin, also in non-religious environments, it is still something seen as bad, while, instead, it is a simply phisiological need as any others.
So that is why every number you can find will always be unrealistic and too high in age than in reality.
Many NON-asexual people MUST lie in order to make their life easier or simply bearable, that is why many asexual persons are sometimes not believed. They are not believed, not just cause they are seen as freaks, but because they are mistaken for the ones who need to hide their truth. All of that is easily understandable.
From a different point of view from yours, saying to be asexual is could be received as saying to be a saint; while, instead, saying to love and to make a lot of sex is the equivalent of saying to be a slut. If you only think these two stigmas carry the same weight, the same social condemnation, you will be literally a fool: basically cos in a lot of religious countries you would be comparing abstinence, that is righteousness (meaning purity), to consumption, which is (seen as) corruption, depravity, sin.
In the worst possible scenario, in the first case you can be seen as a harmless freak, a joke to isolate; in the second case you can be condemned to death or, even faster, be stoned in a public square.
Again, how can you possibly even imagine collecting realistic data from Muslim countries about women? Countries where, even when it is already forbidden by the law, in many places the customs and traditions still suggest or ask to practice infibulation or excision of the clitoris.
So, what the hell are we talking about?
I would really like to ask you where you grew up... LOL
That is why I firmly sustain that whatever statistics you can put on the plate, they can only be assumptions, estimates that are only ballpark figures, not even close, by any chance, to reality.
Then, if that isn't enough, we should try to understand if the scientific publications, that affirm a specific result, is backed up by that government or not.
If you watch Korean dramas, the romance type, where the main target is composed by women between 12 years old to 60 (?), along with an infinite number of cliquè, you have, most of the time, characters who are very poorly interested in sex; like you will find, very often and presented like if it were the rule, like if it is the normality, a situation where normal people about 30 years old are virgin, when this would obviously be an exeption.
Why? Because it is almost a suggestion, it is a hope, it is the moral teaching they would like to pass. But that doesn't have anything to do with reality. That is simply a bad attempt at moral education for women. It is a kind of censorship and a way of cultural control. So in those entertaining products the rule is a romantic asexuality, cos, evidently, that industry needs to push it that way.
Thank God I do not live in Korea! LOL
You can think one thing has significant material consequences, I think other things have actually more severe consequences. The fact that you care to fight for queers while I fight for women doesn't mean your fight "actually" counts more than mine. And again and again, it seems like you are engaging yourself in missing the bigger general picture that the issue is still the same, no matter the target. Indeed, the censorship on this series regards especially 2 elements: homosexual intercourse and straight one.
Having different age ratings according to different countries proves me right in thinking European teenagers culturally grow much faster than Asian ones, no matter what we like best.
But, in the end, if my upsetting appears misplaced to you, frankly, it is not really my business.
Take care and goodbye.

PS: You maybe would like to check again the meaning of "anomaly", cos what you wrote is your denigratory interpretation, not the first meaning of the word that , indeed, according to the Oxford Dictionary, means:
"anomaly (in something): a thing, situation, etc. that is different from what is normal or expected".
I often make mistake in choosing the right words but not so often, believe me. I definitely was sarcastic about my English LOL

Hi Ryn, No, I was not being sarcastic at all. I honestly sent you my regards and greetings as a goodbye cos I thought the problem was indeed about not being able to communicate. I would never hold a grudge about something like this anyway.
Let's see, though, what the word "normal" means. If it means "usual", "habitual", "common", or "conform to convention", then my answer is "no": being asexual or ipersexual are not normal traits, they are indeed exeptions, but that doesn't mean they are not natural, cos they are, exactly like every other manifestation or expression of someone's inner self. Just like being gay or bi or whatever. Being an exeption, meaning "out of the usual rule", doesn't mean bad or right, good or evil; there isn't any kind of moral judgment about normality or exceptionality, unconventionality. They are simply different aspects of reality and nature. Nature is full of exceptions in every corner of the living, they are essential as well as the ordinary, so it is simply stupid to try to assert what "should be" and what "shouldn't be". Nature itself couldn't care less about the opinions of insignificant human beings. Do you get me so far?
The morality about diversity is often brought by religious people, whatever the religion might be, and that is something light-years far from me.
Now, cos i do believe in democracy and in equality of human rights for every human being (and not only human, but that is a whole different story... lol), I also believe that exceptions are natural and "embraceable" like any other majority form. Exeptions must be protected and included cos they basically represent a bigger richness in life, biologically and culturally speaking. So, "anomaly" does not have any derogatory meaning, never ever; variety = richness , in every species.
When, about teenagers, I say "all" of them is because puberty normally, usually, brings along different dosages of hormones throughout the whole body and girls and boys are able to procreate. Even if they only practice autoerotism, the desire for sex can be overwhelming and constantly present. Then, are there many different sexual orientations, preferencies and all kind of shades in sexual fluidity? Of course there are! Are they fine? Certainly they are! But you cannot pick an obvious general speech and make your case based on the exceptions. In my opinion, it is not so logical. You cannot bring an asexual teenager as a representative sample of the average teenager.
Then, again, I don't know where you got your stats about average age, sincerily. In my country it is 16,4 years old, according to the Order of Nurses of the University of Bologna. I guess the saying must be true: " Italians do it better" , just kidding naturally LOL
In addition to all of that above, the possibility for a teenager to watch anything they want doesn't justify a rating of censorship so randomly given, cos the message of forbidden material, allowed only to adults, carries the meaning of "dangerous or shocking stuff" and this series surely does not deserve this title.
I don't understand, for real, why you trace a difference between "my getting upset" and "your getting upset", when eventually they have exactly the same root: preventing someone from becoming more emancipated, more knowledgeable, and more aware.
The rating of a product does always matter cos it is representative of a cultural push behind it. I don't think I have to talk about how much censorship and propaganda are the most effective tools in mass control, do I? I am sure we agree on this.
Could we speak Latin, maybe?
Se comprendi il Francese e lo Spagnolo, sono sicura che capisci anche l'Italiano... LOL
Ciao ciao.

Nice to see that you didn't get a single thing of what I wrote. And I mean not even one! Wow, really encouraging... Oh, and, attention, not only haven't I been understood, but even it completely overturned all the meanings of what I wrote. Good job.
Next time I will write directly in Italian, avoiding the effort of a foreign language, seeing the results I had. I am so so disappointed by my English.
Whatever, agree to disagree and Amen.
My best wishes and have a nice life.

I loved it, but it left me with a feeling of unfinished business, too much still in potential.
Am I the one who is missing the fact that they are making a second season and the show is not ended?? I am asking just in case... LOL

I don't believe for a moment what you've just reported; if your sources are Google and Wiki, well I am sorry, I don't even start the discussion, cos it already says you might want to attend some universities first to learn how to get reliable data resulting from serious and scientific studies.
Anyway, I am sorry, but I don't think you travelled the world enough, surely not the majority of Africa and definitely not Europe.
Talking about an anomaly like someone axual is like talking about another anomaly like someone with ipersexuality or nymphomania. It simply doesn't make any sense talking about these matters because they are rare cases. Nevertheless, I can be asexual and still not tolerate the censorship when I reach a certain age where I can think and evaluate things by myself. The fact that I can be already sexually active at 15 or 16 y.o. or not should not interfere with the knowledge of sex and sexuality in general. If I must study the abominious of wars in my history books, I can surely watch two human beings making love.
If you or the youth in your country live in a bubble or a candy under a crystal dome, well, that's your limit, not mine, fortunately. And that usually happens in countries where women do not hold any power and where "feminism" is just a word read in some forbidden magazines or books; just saying...
The thing that you don't know why I am upset about this rating explains by itself the lack of freedom in education that you believe to be right, and that is exactly the anti-values I will always fight against.
And, yes, biology and ethology do have their course in every freaking species of this planet and it is the result of an infamous process called Evolution. LOL
That doesn't mean that there is no space for minority cases: indeed we evolve through mutations, which are very often also positive and adaptive. So the variety in every species is absolutely needed, but that doesn't mean it is the rule and surely doesn't carry a moral value of right or wrong, rather than good or evil.
To me, everything that exists in this world has its worth and its reason to exist, be the rule or the exception.
Ending... My grandparents were born in the 1920s and they would be the first to laugh at such a censorship of minors; certainly my parents have done it already in my presence.

One of the best Korean TV series I have ever watched in my life, surely in my top 3. Finally, Korea in the Big League of international TV series. The matter that this is also a gay series is merely circumstantial, IMHO.
Flawless.

Rating this 18+ is ridicolous! I would understand a 15/16+, definitely not an 18+, when all teenagers around the whole freaking world start to be sexually active before 18 y.o. It is just pure hypocrisy and lame bigotry.
I have just checked: indeed, in my country it is rated 16+.
I really can't get why in all Asia they try to deny so strongly the teenagers' reality in all matters...
Biology has its course in all human beings, regardless of where you are born. Refusing to admit that is just for suckers.