I think they will keep it really subtle, before censoring the thing or side-stepping in the end. The romance aspect…
OMG thank you for reminding me about Love and Destiny, I kept waiting to see when the dates would come out at first because of how excited I was about it, but then it took so long and I just assumed it would come out next year or something. See you there too!!!!
This drama IS BL, lol from how I see how the interactions between Wei wuxian and Lan wangji goes so far at least. XD Although it is understandable, for some to see this as friendship/bromance only given how frequently (always) stuff like this is censored. So that is also why I'm surprised at the amount of leeway this drama has been given.
2 things:(1) Was there someone that WWX was pining after when he named his flute "Chen Qing" and when he was playing…
While indeed it wasn't with good intentions, in a way, with how long JC first got his hands onto remnants of WX (e.g. chenqing) in a state of boiling fury as the mad dog he was in that moment, even until many years passed he still hung on to them, just like the feelings of hatred & spite that could never subside.
(QUESTION: It is difficult for me to process this possibility but we all know the opposite of love, isn't hate but indifference. Please correct me on this, I'm even sure I should be thinking in this line of direction or not because in the end JC was able to cry out all the suppressed feelings at the Guanyin temple in front of WX = let it go/settle down. While I can't tell whether JC still cared about WX after that incident, it means JC can finally not let it bother him anymore. Do you think this is indifference or not? Hmm)
Continuing on, he couldn't let go of the old artifacts just like he couldn't let go of not just the immediate loathe and disgust that came to his mind but also all the myriad of other twisted complicated feelings that came along with WX's betrayal that aren't necessarily attached to negative feelings.
In the deep of it all, I feel like the moment he picked up Chenqing, he needed and was able to possess and own Wuxian and all the hurt he afflicted onto him. Of many other interpretations, to JC, he could've also perceived Chenqing to be the figurative and literal medium from which WX could derive his SOLE source of power to project his "vile", "despicable" acts onto this world. Having Chenqing in JC's grasp and control, means now he can now take that away and everything WX's existence could ever put meaning into. Chenqing to JC could be the manifestation of the dark arts that caused all this chaos or whatnot.
Before you go off on me XDD, I know the reason that JC gave us in the novel as to why he held onto Chenqing, is because he wanted to hold WX accountable for when he comes back to life and kill him off, torture him, cause him more misery or something similar. But I personally feel what he says on the surface, doesn't necessarily match what he actually feels inside. What do you think? :D
2 things:(1) Was there someone that WWX was pining after when he named his flute "Chen Qing" and when he was playing…
With (2), I happened to reply to @Cirho and @@hikari_rei that around the same topic you brought up in (2). But you took the words out of my mouth with this :"he thought that he and WWX were the ShuangJie and that WWX and everything that belonged to WWX was rightfully his", kind of like how JC wants to take back everything WX took away from him, especially with how possessive he became later on. I'm gonna copy it here below:
2 things:(1) Was there someone that WWX was pining after when he named his flute "Chen Qing" and when he was playing…
I never thought about (1) until you brought it up! :O The very first tune he played on ChenQing after he came back to life, was WangXian, so the immediate thought is to link back to his time with Lan Wangji. I used to think what he was pining after wasn't a person at all; it was grace and warmth he received in not just that moment in Xuanwu cave from Lan Wangji, but also the events associated around that kind of grace he received from others during the relatively happy days when the people he cared about was around him still. (Maybe WX thought this way during the time before the second half of his life before revival.)
But after just finishing ep20, and I really don't want to go down this cheesy line of thought, I feel there's a place in Wei Wuxian's heart that nobody other than Lan Wangji can hold, because only he can see WX for his true, bare self. From the time WX became like that until he died, only LW persistently pursued WX to turn back from the path he will end up destroying himself in. Everytime they clash, I think it's because WX tries to cover up by acting tough and walk down the demonic path that no one actually wants to step on, including WX, maybe because he knows without that he has nothing else or maybe it's his ego or stubbornness. In the end, the one person who never gave up on WX, tries to save or retain WX's real self and see him through, wasn't anyone else other than LW, which shows how much he cares for WX. It's a bit similar to how Xiao Xingchen is to Xue Yang, or the oldest Nie brother is to Jin Guangyao, where the villain can never run away and are forced to confront the exact opposite person who firmly stands by the truth.
In the novel and anime, WX doesn't end up realising his love for LW until much later so this doesn't apply during the point in time, when he first plays WangXian. But in the drama, I personally think they've sped up the WX-LW route a bit, so maybe a layer of romance could be added to that unconscious decision to play WangXian on the flute. I KNOW I KNOW, you don't see anything else other than friendship in their relationship in the drama and that's okay :) It's interesting to see different perspectives :D
"Hello #MDZS, you know Chen Qing yes? Would you hear the story of an ancient Chinese historical document that also bears this name- the “Chen Qing Biao”? It is a soul-baring plea of the state of loneliness, about two people who only have each other in the whole wide world." This is the first paragraph she wrote, to get you guys interested ;)
I can't imagine what turmoil Li Mi had to go undergo... the collapse of the reality that held up his entire world occurring not just once, is enough for life to bring him down his knees. Maybe because he was hanging on by that one connection to his grandma, that he could push on. Kinda similar to Wei Wuxian in a way.
Guys... the scene when the siblings were children and WX was first introduced into the family at Yunmeng. And when he was carried on the back of his sister. Just one look at the sister when she first entered the scene as a teenager left me bawling in tears because of how beautiful she looked. I meant I could immediately see why WX and JC adores their sister and all the kindness and warmth WX described her with. Although she isn't the ideal of a pretty girl, but she just shone with sincerity and love, and that was so beautiful.
The thought came to mind, when WX and JC could cry and break down so frequently and so easily in front her and ONLY her, makes me realise to WX and JC, even more so than Jiang Fengmian or his wife, their sister was actually the main provider of parental love that the parents MAYBE didn't show enough of. Certainly not the wife :P.
[ SPOILER!!! ][SERIOUS !!!][DON’T READ IF YOU HAVEN’T FINISHED THE STORY]....Toward the end of the story,…
Although as @Athena said above, "in the end Jiang Cheng comes to forgive himself for misunderstanding Wei Ying", so maybe it wasn't indifference after all like I thought.
IT IS ALSO MY FAVOURITE *high five* lol XD Official english translated episodes are up on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMX26aiIvX5pYn98zge18X88sfeYbnhTr
No worries, part of my duty in the Modaozushi fandom to my fellow fan *wink wink* XD
I think they will keep it really subtle, before censoring the thing or side-stepping in the end. The romance aspect…
:O That was the max in Princess Sliver?! I haven't watched it, but I'm surprised Although Bloody Romance drama didn't have much skinship at all too though hmmm
[ SPOILER!!! ][SERIOUS !!!][DON’T READ IF YOU HAVEN’T FINISHED THE STORY]....Toward the end of the story,…
I never thought about it in that way :O I also think their relationship was special and complicated. It's a mix of hate and other feelings as I tried to think about the best I could in my reply to @Hikari_rei but I'm not sure whether the direction i took of line of thought in the reply was right though.
[ SPOILER!!! ][SERIOUS !!!][DON’T READ IF YOU HAVEN’T FINISHED THE STORY]....Toward the end of the story,…
While indeed it wasn't with good intentions, in a way, with how long JC first got his hands onto remnants of WX (e.g. chenqing) in a state of boiling fury as the mad dog he was in that moment, even until many years passed he still hung on to them, just like the feelings of hatred & spite that could never subside.
(QUESTION: It is difficult for me to process this possibility but we all know the opposite of love, isn't hate but indifference. Please correct me on this, I'm even sure I should be thinking in this line of direction or not because in the end JC was able to cry out all the suppressed feelings at the Guanyin temple in front of WX = let it go/settle down. While I can't tell whether JC still cared about WX after that incident, it means JC can finally not let it bother him anymore. Do you think this is indifference or not? Hmm)
Continuing on, he couldn't let go of the old artifacts just like he couldn't let go of not just the immediate loathe and disgust that came to his mind but also all the myriad of other twisted complicated feelings that came along with his betrayal that aren't necessarily attached to negative feelings.
In the deep of it all, I feel like the moment he picked up Chenqing, he needed and was able to possess and own Wuxian and all the hurt he afflicted onto him. Of many other interpretations, to JC, he could've also perceived Chenqing to be the figurative and literal medium from which WX could derive his SOLE source of power to project his "vile", "despicable" acts onto this world. Having Chenqing in JC's grasp and control, means now he can now take that away and everything WX's existence could ever put meaning into. Chenqing to JC could be the manifestation of the dark arts that caused all this chaos or whatnot. Before any of you guys go off on me XDD, I know the reason that JC gave us in the novel as to why he held onto Chenqing, is because he wanted to hold WX accountable for when he comes back to life and kill him off, torture him, cause him more misery or something similar. But I personally feel what he says on the surface, doesn't necessarily match what he actually feels inside. What do you think? :D
Edit: I just found it! *squeals* https://www.facebook.com/theuntamed.drama/?ref=py_c&eid=ARAfKJGtvXg46YqgYYAMgq5WpmU1onzyO14qljoMaJ7PWeso3LVdW-Ll4GBm8UdVgVbpd5oqQW2k_EQQ
(QUESTION: It is difficult for me to process this possibility but we all know the opposite of love, isn't hate but indifference. Please correct me on this, I'm even sure I should be thinking in this line of direction or not because in the end JC was able to cry out all the suppressed feelings at the Guanyin temple in front of WX = let it go/settle down. While I can't tell whether JC still cared about WX after that incident, it means JC can finally not let it bother him anymore. Do you think this is indifference or not? Hmm)
Continuing on, he couldn't let go of the old artifacts just like he couldn't let go of not just the immediate loathe and disgust that came to his mind but also all the myriad of other twisted complicated feelings that came along with WX's betrayal that aren't necessarily attached to negative feelings.
In the deep of it all, I feel like the moment he picked up Chenqing, he needed and was able to possess and own Wuxian and all the hurt he afflicted onto him. Of many other interpretations, to JC, he could've also perceived Chenqing to be the figurative and literal medium from which WX could derive his SOLE source of power to project his "vile", "despicable" acts onto this world. Having Chenqing in JC's grasp and control, means now he can now take that away and everything WX's existence could ever put meaning into. Chenqing to JC could be the manifestation of the dark arts that caused all this chaos or whatnot.
Before you go off on me XDD, I know the reason that JC gave us in the novel as to why he held onto Chenqing, is because he wanted to hold WX accountable for when he comes back to life and kill him off, torture him, cause him more misery or something similar. But I personally feel what he says on the surface, doesn't necessarily match what he actually feels inside. What do you think? :D
I'm gonna copy it here below:
But after just finishing ep20, and I really don't want to go down this cheesy line of thought, I feel there's a place in Wei Wuxian's heart that nobody other than Lan Wangji can hold, because only he can see WX for his true, bare self. From the time WX became like that until he died, only LW persistently pursued WX to turn back from the path he will end up destroying himself in. Everytime they clash, I think it's because WX tries to cover up by acting tough and walk down the demonic path that no one actually wants to step on, including WX, maybe because he knows without that he has nothing else or maybe it's his ego or stubbornness. In the end, the one person who never gave up on WX, tries to save or retain WX's real self and see him through, wasn't anyone else other than LW, which shows how much he cares for WX. It's a bit similar to how Xiao Xingchen is to Xue Yang, or the oldest Nie brother is to Jin Guangyao, where the villain can never run away and are forced to confront the exact opposite person who firmly stands by the truth.
In the novel and anime, WX doesn't end up realising his love for LW until much later so this doesn't apply during the point in time, when he first plays WangXian. But in the drama, I personally think they've sped up the WX-LW route a bit, so maybe a layer of romance could be added to that unconscious decision to play WangXian on the flute. I KNOW I KNOW, you don't see anything else other than friendship in their relationship in the drama and that's okay :) It's interesting to see different perspectives :D
@Charsiew Space on Twitter was kind enough to explain all the details, please take a look: https://twitter.com/charsiewspace/status/1080417670284042240
It's so harrowing... but it makes me appreciate the story even further. :)
"Hello #MDZS, you know Chen Qing yes? Would you hear the story of an ancient Chinese historical document that also bears this name- the “Chen Qing Biao”? It is a soul-baring plea of the state of loneliness, about two people who only have each other in the whole wide world."
This is the first paragraph she wrote, to get you guys interested ;)
I was interested in finding out more about Li Mi's life story so I did a search on Baidu, this is an explanation of Li Mi (Jin dynasty) including Chen qing biao: https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%99%88%E6%83%85%E8%A1%A8/3075432?fr=aladdin
(I can't read Chinese that well though.)
I can't imagine what turmoil Li Mi had to go undergo... the collapse of the reality that held up his entire world occurring not just once, is enough for life to bring him down his knees. Maybe because he was hanging on by that one connection to his grandma, that he could push on. Kinda similar to Wei Wuxian in a way.
The thought came to mind, when WX and JC could cry and break down so frequently and so easily in front her and ONLY her, makes me realise to WX and JC, even more so than Jiang Fengmian or his wife, their sister was actually the main provider of parental love that the parents MAYBE didn't show enough of. Certainly not the wife :P.
(QUESTION: It is difficult for me to process this possibility but we all know the opposite of love, isn't hate but indifference. Please correct me on this, I'm even sure I should be thinking in this line of direction or not because in the end JC was able to cry out all the suppressed feelings at the Guanyin temple in front of WX = let it go/settle down. While I can't tell whether JC still cared about WX after that incident, it means JC can finally not let it bother him anymore. Do you think this is indifference or not? Hmm)
Continuing on, he couldn't let go of the old artifacts just like he couldn't let go of not just the immediate loathe and disgust that came to his mind but also all the myriad of other twisted complicated feelings that came along with his betrayal that aren't necessarily attached to negative feelings.
In the deep of it all, I feel like the moment he picked up Chenqing, he needed and was able to possess and own Wuxian and all the hurt he afflicted onto him. Of many other interpretations, to JC, he could've also perceived Chenqing to be the figurative and literal medium from which WX could derive his SOLE source of power to project his "vile", "despicable" acts onto this world. Having Chenqing in JC's grasp and control, means now he can now take that away and everything WX's existence could ever put meaning into. Chenqing to JC could be the manifestation of the dark arts that caused all this chaos or whatnot. Before any of you guys go off on me XDD, I know the reason that JC gave us in the novel as to why he held onto Chenqing, is because he wanted to hold WX accountable for when he comes back to life and kill him off, torture him, cause him more misery or something similar. But I personally feel what he says on the surface, doesn't necessarily match what he actually feels inside. What do you think? :D